Political compass for the21st century

[Eric the Green]

(06-16-2021, 03:00 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:

(06-15-2021, 02:05 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-15-2021, 04:12 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: Needless to say, "cultural Marxism" theory is crap.

Inclusivism wants to protect minorities from real or alleged persecution by majority. Marxism is a form of populism which thinks the majority is oppressed by a minority. Marxism has more similarities with national-populism, which also posits oppression of the majority by some elite.

Marxism, at least as practiced to date, is certainly national-populism in its purest sense. Trump and Lenin would get along just fine, except for the confiscatory part of course.

It's weird how Trump and Putin got along fine, and how many Trumpkins adore Putin. Trumpkins say Marxism sucks, yet Putin used to be an agent of communist secret service. Trumpkins say Islam sucks and hint at white supremacy, yet Putin appeases Iran and cracks down on anti-Islam and white supremacist movements in Russia to prevent another wave of Chechen insurgency. Of course Putin also cracks down on Wahhabism, which is "true blue" variety of Islam.

I had not heard that Putin cracked down on white supremacy, or Wahabi-ism, in Russia. I guess those are feathers in his cap, if so. Any sources for this?

I don't see Putin as any kind of Marxist populist, whatever government he worked for decades ago.

I don't see nationalism as positing oppression of the majority by some elite. Nationalists see themselves as the elite that should have power over other nations or races. It's "Make (whatever nation) Great Again." Same slogan that Mussolini used. Putin and Trump have their nationalism in common.

Marxism and Fascism, though bitter natural enemies, have some things in common. To the extent that Marxism leans toward totalitarianism (which it doesn't, necessarily), it has that in common with Fascism. Also the materialism that is often at the core of their ideologies. For Fascism, that's social or racial darwinism. For Marxism, it's class darwinism, or dialectical materialism. At their totalitarian extremes, they posit that people are objects to be controlled, as if the state is a machine (like the universe is), and people are just cogs in it to be used for state purposes. Everything is subordinate to the state. As totalitarian ideologies, they also posit devotion to a leader as essential, rather than rule of law. Constant war (fascism) or revolution (marxism) is a necessary function in order to keep the people loyal and devoted.

Under Stalin, the USSR was put under a regime of "socialism in one country." That sounds like national socialism, but it was only a temporary measure until the socialism in Russia was ready for export.