08-13-2022, 05:10 PM
(07-09-2021, 04:15 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I am not of the persuasion that science should remain pure, objectivist, positivist, mechanical and determinist. Science essentially seeks the truth, and so as it evolves further in human society, it will converge with religion, while religion is undergoing the same process and is converging with science.
Because reality is 'messy', science can never purport to be 'pure'. Mechanical and determinist psychology are void due to the complexity of human nature. Science seeks to simplify but not at the expense of reality.
Quote:The issue then is to keep the integrity of both intact, while still realizing that the one truth and the one reality involves both. It can be a delicate balancing act. Both modern advanced science and mystical religion involves some achievement of skill and practice or initiation that is no casual or superficial matter. Teaching young earth creationism represents religion before modern evolution in society, and so can't converge with science and should not be taught as science. Purely determinist science also remains incompatible with religion or mysticism, and can't or shouldn't be allowed in church. But more-evolved kinds of religion or mysticism may indeed be combined with science in some modern, post-modern and new-age theories, and vice-versa.
Science is not the entire proof, and it never claimed to be. Science has yet to figure why we act as if we need music, visual art, and literature in which to be fully human. Some parts of us, like our organs with specific functions such as our lungs and kidneys, can be understood as machines. But even as machines they are not comparable to the machines that we make for specific functions. One can turn a crane on and off, and the crane that operates at a construction site until 5 pm or whatever can be restarted at ... whenever the next day. One cannot turn the body off and turn it back on because the machinery that is our body becomes a corpse. A body shut down cannot be brought back to life.
Young-earth creationism is an exercise in fecal thinking. It denies far more than it even pretends to explain. In any event, most of us do not need the account that some people barely out of the hunter-gather stage of material development plagiarized from what had been a pagan civilization. The Hebrews in practice had their attention on more useful topics, such are refining the distinction between Right and Wrong. The Epic of Gilgamesh is not science; it is legend.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.