Current anomaly: Five generations alive!

[David Horn]

(11-19-2021, 01:46 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-18-2021, 05:45 PM)David Horn Wrote: ...  The singular issue I see is the awareness of the cycle making it nearly impossible to complete -- Steve Bannon being a prime example.  In the past, the cycle has existed because it was hidden and the forces driving it obscure.  That's no longer the case.

I'm not postulating that this is true, merely that it needs to be considered seriously.

It could be true; however, what strikes me is how on-schedule the saeculum is, even considering that the progressives have not united the country as they did in the 1930s. Steve Bannon seems determined to make the fourth turning prophecy come true, in fact, by provoking another civil war-- as he has just done again after his indictment, and Gosar and other Republicans are singing his tune or enabling it. They seek to destroy the progressive trend of most 4Ts, but that always happens. The fourth turning is always a battle between various forces of progress and forces of obstruction and chaos. The most powerful obstruction is either mostly domestic or mostly foreign, and usually some of each. The progressive side in the last 2 months has been in retreat, and it has to regroup and fight on in this still-cold, un-civil war.

There seem to be two overlapping issues:

1. The Progressive side is not just in disarray but truly at war with itself.  This can't stand if anything like progress is going to be possible.
   
2. The Revanchists have been unusually successful at planting seeds of doubt - even among Progresives.  It's impossible to create a critical mass to push change through if the change agents are too few, too distrusted and too disheartened.
   

How does this get resolved and, more important, how soon?  There doesn't seem to be enough time or energy for two steps forward and one back.