08-01-2017, 02:37 PM
In response to Eric's challenge.
True. I’d suggest the author look in a mirror.
Pot meet kettle.
Replace education with indoctrination and you can see their point.
The author then contradicts himself….
This is called personal experience. Another word for it is evidence.
This moron seems to things that New Deal policies turned blood-red Republicans into progressive Democrats. He apparently does not realize that the party that gave us the New Deal was the red party. Many of those “die hard Republicans”, such as my parents, were such *because* they objected to Democratic support for racism. After the Civil Rights era both of my folks became Democrats.
Obviously he has no comprehension of the problem.
Exactly
I am assuming he is talking about why folks voted Republican in 2010, 2014 and then elected Trump. I would point out that Clinton gave us NAFTA and Chinese MFN status, and signed into law the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the Bubble and Crash Act of 1997.
And what alternative explanation does he give?
You do so by delivering real economic improvements to working class lives for everyone, so that minorities can gain the respect others in their stead did before, when they had a party looking out for them in Washington.
And the same is true for the coastal elites.
It was Kennedy who passed the first supply-side tax cut. It was Johnson who decided we could have guns and butter with lower taxes. It was Carter who appointed Paul Volcker.
And elites would have to pay the full cost for the produce and personal services for the low prices paying immigrants shit wages allows.
No trade policies are.
And when Democrats were in power in 2009-10, did they raise minimum wage (would have taken a week). Did they pass card check? How long did it take Obama to raise the overtime income limit? And did they include a public option in the ACA (i.e. what would have made it work, and which Obama has run on?). The answer explains why Democrats lost in 2010, 2014 & 2016.
Quote:When you have a belief system that is built on fundamentalism, it isn’t open to outside criticism, especially by anyone not a member of your tribe and in a position of power.
True. I’d suggest the author look in a mirror.
Quote:The problem isn’t “coastal elites don’t understand rural Americans.” The problem is rural America doesn’t understand itself and will NEVER listen to anyone outside their bubble….I’ve had hundreds of discussions with rural white Americans and whenever I present them any information that contradicts their entrenched beliefs, no matter how sound, how unquestionable, how obvious, they WILL NOT even entertain the possibility it might be true.
Pot meet kettle.
Quote:At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said. They truly believe this is a legitimate response because to them education is not to be trusted.
Replace education with indoctrination and you can see their point.
Quote:…no amount of evidence is going to change their minds, assuage their fears.
The author then contradicts himself….
Quote:Do you know what does change the beliefs of fundamentalists, sometimes? When something becomes personal. Many a fundamentalist has changed his mind about the LGBT community once his loved ones started coming out of the closet.
This is called personal experience. Another word for it is evidence.
Quote:The catastrophe of the Great Depression along with the progressive remedies by FDR helped create a generation of Democrats from previously die-hard Republicans.
This moron seems to things that New Deal policies turned blood-red Republicans into progressive Democrats. He apparently does not realize that the party that gave us the New Deal was the red party. Many of those “die hard Republicans”, such as my parents, were such *because* they objected to Democratic support for racism. After the Civil Rights era both of my folks became Democrats.
Quote:I thought the financial crisis in 2008 would have a similar, though lesser, impact on many Republicans.
Obviously he has no comprehension of the problem.
Quote:The systems that were put in place after the Great Recession to deal with economic crises,
Quote:the quick, smart response by Congress and the administration….Which prevented elites from having to deal with the economic mess they created
Quote:…helped make what could have been a catastrophic event into merely a really bad one. People suffered, but they didn’t suffer enough to where they were open to questioning their deeply held beliefs.
Exactly
Quote:…even though rural Christian white Americans were hit hard by the Great Recession, they not only didn’t blame the political party they’ve aligned themselves with for years…
I am assuming he is talking about why folks voted Republican in 2010, 2014 and then elected Trump. I would point out that Clinton gave us NAFTA and Chinese MFN status, and signed into law the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the Bubble and Crash Act of 1997.
Quote:An even higher number believe the mortgage crisis was the result of the government forcing banks to give loans to unqualified minorities.
And what alternative explanation does he give?
Quote:How do you make racial equality personal to someone who believes whites are naturally superior to non-whites? How do you make gender equality personal to someone who believes women are supposed to be subservient to men by God’s command? How do you get someone to view minorities as not threatening personal to people who don’t live around and never interact with them? How do you make personal the fact massive tax cuts and cutting back government hurts their economic situation when they’ve voted for these for decades?
You do so by delivering real economic improvements to working class lives for everyone, so that minorities can gain the respect others in their stead did before, when they had a party looking out for them in Washington.
Quote:The honest truths that rural, Christian, white Americans don’t want to accept and until they do nothing is going to change..
And the same is true for the coastal elites.
Quote:Their economic situation is largely the result of voting for supply-side economic policies that have been the largest redistribution of wealth from the bottom/middle to the top in U.S. history.
It was Kennedy who passed the first supply-side tax cut. It was Johnson who decided we could have guns and butter with lower taxes. It was Carter who appointed Paul Volcker.
Quote:Immigrants haven’t taken their jobs. If all immigrants, legal or otherwise, were removed from the U.S., our economy would come to a screeching halt and prices on food would soar.
And elites would have to pay the full cost for the produce and personal services for the low prices paying immigrants shit wages allows.
Quote:Immigrants are not responsible for companies moving their plants overseas.
No trade policies are.
Quote:All the economic policies and ideas that could help rural America belong to the Democratic Party: raising the minimum wage, strengthening unions, infrastructure spending, healthcare reform…all of these and more would really help a lot of rural Americans.
And when Democrats were in power in 2009-10, did they raise minimum wage (would have taken a week). Did they pass card check? How long did it take Obama to raise the overtime income limit? And did they include a public option in the ACA (i.e. what would have made it work, and which Obama has run on?). The answer explains why Democrats lost in 2010, 2014 & 2016.