"Climax" year of each turning

[Kinser79]

(05-18-2020, 11:36 AM)Isoko Wrote: Kinser,

There is truth to this. The American right has always been about libertarianism. The idea of being able to build your own fortune and the freedom to do it applies very true to the American right. However the Millennials in American down right scare me. 

They want basically socialism which works well in Europe and even in Russia because it has long been established. But in America? It's way too late to enact such reforms without bankrupting the entire economy even further. 

I've got to say, if America is going to pull itself out of its problems, it does need to go back to that ye olde American wilderness spirit with libertarian values. Although to be honest, I think that is more likely to be the next Awakening over there as the Millennials are just too crazy to reason with as a majority.

As for Europe, spot on. It has always been identitarian. This is why the Alt Right does better in Europe (the exception being the UK). It is no surprise that the majority of French Millennials supported Marine Le Pen over Macron. The argument? "Globalisation is destroying our future and our culture." Europeans tend to take this more seriously then Americans.

I think that ultimately the climax of this turning is going to be Europe turning back towards identitarism and having to build a new way in the world without the EU. Whether it leads to a new EU, quabbling nation states or a new Russian policeman on the bloc remains to be seen.

I would say that socialism doesn't work well in Europe at all.  Margret Thatcher pointed out that socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.  Most of the EU states are flat broke, and the EU itself is fracturing.  Brexit has been largely successful in spite of a pandemic, and there talk now of Quitaly and other states leaving the EU.  Hungary is planning on putting joining the Union on hold for now...and Orban is someone to watch.

I don't expect a New Russian Policeman to turn up.  Russia has its own problems and typically only involves itself into Europe when Europe involves them.  I'm of course excluding Belarus and Ukraine here as both have been inside and outside of Russia on and off for a few thousand years.

Also American Millennials are not  a giant block.  Not all of them support socialism and in fact while some are Sander's Supporting Pinkos there are an equally large number of them who are almost as anti-communist as your local McCarthyite.  I do not think socialism will work in the US, and never has been in the cards anyway.  Unlike Europe the US is not a monolithic ethno-state, and simply put our racial and ethnic divisions work counter to any socialistic tendency.  It is the same reason why the identitarian right doesn't work well in the US also.  I have no explaination for Britain but they seem to be the exception in most things European, just like Russia is.  I once told someone that Europe was that wide minefield god put between Britain and Russia to prevent them from taking over the world.

I expect that the Next 2T will be muted.  It is scheduled to be an Apollonian saeculum anyway, and given that I expect there to be a mega-crisis saeculum I think the Prophets will be far more interested in working out the future of the state rather than re fighting culture wars which are already old.