06-02-2020, 09:31 PM
(06-01-2020, 01:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:(06-01-2020, 03:44 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:(05-23-2020, 10:31 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:(05-23-2020, 07:56 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:(05-22-2020, 09:12 AM)beechnut79 Wrote: Many here seem to associate the culture of hedonism as a 3T trait. I have more or less considered said culture to the 2T. In many ways the last 2T was a wild and fun time. Yet for many the culture of sex, drugs and Rock 'n roll led to AIDS, addiction and hearing loss
Isn't it a Dionysian trait? What does a typical Apollonian 3T look like? The 1920s were pretty hedonistic time as well, as a result of the WW1 shock.
The supreme irony here is that it was also the decade when Prohibition was in effect for its entirety, which in theory is one of if not the ultimate deterrent to hedonism. Perhaps the reputation as a hedonistic time is because it was the first decade in which it was acceptable for a woman to show off her legs. But it would still be a couple of decades yet before they started showing their feet more and the pinup came into vogue. The pinup culture seems almost obsolete today. A few years ago the Miss America pageant chose to delete the swimsuit competition even though you can see plenty of women in swimsuits at any public beach or pool. The pageant began in 1921, which means it will mark its centennial next year. Although it began as a beauty pageant, it always took more than just a pretty face to win the crown. Is the pageant something that has outlived it’s usefulness?
In Europe the 1920s were way more hedonistic than in America, but their Missionary awakening was more Dionysian. Decadents instead of social purity movements.
Beauty pageants may have outlived their usefulness because there is (still) so much nudity online. Online nudity might however be purged during the 1T, or the 2T if it's similar to America's Missionary awakening.
But beauty pageants were never about nudity. They are and were about overall beauty, and usually took a lot more than just a pretty face. Are you saying that online nudity and porn could be to the upcoming 1T what Communism was to the last one? But if it follows the Missionary example then the big crackdown wouldn't occur until the next 3T, which is when Prohibition kicked in. But didn't some of this already occur with the shutdown of the original Backpage site two years ago and the outrage over human trafficking?
It could be. Pornography is a poor substitute for romantic love. It does not belong in family life. Maybe frustrated singles might excuse it for themselves, but male users know enough to shut it off or close the computer window when 'conscience' walks by in the form of a girl or woman. I can easily see women insisting that men not bring it into the house, and not view it. It fosters cheating, and little more reliably rends marriage than does marital infidelity.
If I were a woman I would be incensed if my husband were looking at pictures of fully-clothed women, especially if they are overseas, and communicating suggestions of enchantment.
Human trafficking is of course a monstrous crime, a modern version of a slave trade. This time it is often about
s-e-x
manifesting itself all too often in brothels, strip clubs, and 'massage parlors'. It is be so much the sex but instead the economic exploitation that is so abominable. If such activity involves people getting well paid for sex work, then the 'issue' is strictly extramarital sex. I have no desire to get into that discussion aside from saying that commercisl entities are becoming less tolerant. Truckers have been among the likeliest customers (reputedly people outside of a 500-mile radius if they have gone by highway... I am not sure if this applies to air travelers have often come to feel that they are in some comfort zone. Truckers are being told to stay clear of anyone either underage or sexually trafficked, as such can result in arrest... and the ways the laws are going, potential confiscation of truck and cargo. The "lot lizard" could become a thing of the past because a trucker from Cleveland knows that he will not get a slap on the wrist for consorting what proves to be an underage female in western Tennessee.
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The first Miss America contest was in 1920 and its first winner, Margaret Gorman, was born in 1905. An institution with that pedigree has some tradition attached and can outlast its first participants. Traditions allow institutions to redefine themselves.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.