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(03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
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(03-07-2022, 12:58 PM)sDavid Horn Wrote: (03-06-2022, 05:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-06-2022, 09:51 AM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2022, 01:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bid...al-rating/
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Ukraine may be the fulcrum to a change lever, since the GOP stupidly sided against the country and with Putin. I think that verbal dynamic is nearing its end, even for that group of RW stalwarts. Will anything change overnight? No, of course not, but it will over time.
You still believe in the Russian collusion thingy that the Clinton campaign concocted and the Left Wing media advanced despite it being completely debunked by federal authorities. You better be careful about what say about Us and what you claim and promote/ elude to as the truth these days. You don't want to wake up some day to the reality that your wealth and government benefits being significantly reduced or eliminated and your access to markets and the goods that you need being severely limited or removed as a new American nation is being reborn so to speak. We are going to do it, the only question is how soon and judging by the current state that we are in with a government that doesn't seem to understand where it's priorities should be and what it should be focusing on at all times, I'd say its going to be sooner than later and sooner than expected for those who know what coming who are trying to delay/drag it out and continue to milk it as much as possible for as long as possible. The idea of guillotines and third world violence aka mob violence probably seems pretty scary to those who don't own private jets or direct access to them these days. Time's not on your side these days. As a matter of fact, time is running out on the Left which is why the Left is doing so much crazy shit and going along with crazy shit these days.
Yeah, wave that AmeriKKKan flag! But keep in mind, people like Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingram are already trying to untie the knot they bound themselves in, and you might be best served by getting ahead of that wave. So, to reiterate:
- No one is talking about Russian collusion, not because it never happened, but because it's too hard to explain to Joe Six-pack. Extortion, fully documented by recorded phone calls, on the other hand, is pretty easy.
- Your Birth of a Nation thesis is getting less and less likely by the day. No one is rushing to fortify the southern border anymore -- not even the Texans. I hold no hope for anything beyond talk and chest-thumping, because your pseudo-patriots just don't have it in them. The few who do can't stand the ground for the rest of you.
I bet you have closer ties to the KKK and the concept of white supremacy than me. You are an older white Southerner right. Okay, you may have adjusted to the idea of having to eat with them but that didn't mean you had to like it right. Me, I grew up with the idea of eating with them in grade school so it wasn't a big deal as we got older. I wonder how many Democratic supporters and partisan Left Wingers on the Liberal side fit in that group of people today. I see quite a few of them posting on other Liberal oriented sites on the internet. BTW, the bulk of them are Democratic women. I can tell that you don't feel very highly of Joe Six Pack these days. So, what are your feelings about Jill Six Pack these days? Do you feel the same way about her as Joe? There's lots of Jill Six Packs out there too. That's the cool thing about freedom, you're free to be a moron and free to continue screwing yourself and free to continue to promote lies that most view as bullshit these days too. See, you and Biden and the Democratic party have the same problem in common these days.
If foreign extortion truly mattered to you and the Democratic base or Us for that matter, Biden wouldn't be President since he was seen on video tape bragging about a quid pro quo that he and Obama pulled off with the former President of Ukraine to remove a pesky investigator and Trump would've been impeached for what he did as well. Weren't you watching the trial the defense was making its case or didn't that particular aspect of foreign diplomacy really matter to you? Like I've said, where would you and the Democratic party be if the use of political extortion and bribery were made illegal. Shit, you and the Democrats are providing/trading/offering stuff in exchange for peoples votes and continued support all the time. It's pretty much what the Left has been doing since 1932. Where are we now in comparison, 1930 or so don't you think?
As far as the border, the border problem/illegal immigration has moved up significantly as far as its overall importance to American voters. I'm sure the Mexican/ Latin American voters on the Democratic side and the Progressives aka Democratic Socialists would prefer the current border situation remains as is and prefers that nothing significant be changed as far as border security. I mean, you've made it clear to most Americans over the years that you guys don't like the country and you'd like to change the population of the country. Peasants are easier to rule than American citizens and they're a lot cheaper wage wise too.
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(03-07-2022, 06:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 12:58 PM)sDavid Horn Wrote: (03-06-2022, 05:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-06-2022, 09:51 AM)David Horn Wrote: (03-03-2022, 01:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bid...al-rating/
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Ukraine may be the fulcrum to a change lever, since the GOP stupidly sided against the country and with Putin. I think that verbal dynamic is nearing its end, even for that group of RW stalwarts. Will anything change overnight? No, of course not, but it will over time.
You still believe in the Russian collusion thingy that the Clinton campaign concocted and the Left Wing media advanced despite it being completely debunked by federal authorities. You better be careful about what say about Us and what you claim and promote/ elude to as the truth these days. You don't want to wake up some day to the reality that your wealth and government benefits being significantly reduced or eliminated and your access to markets and the goods that you need being severely limited or removed as a new American nation is being reborn so to speak. We are going to do it, the only question is how soon and judging by the current state that we are in with a government that doesn't seem to understand where it's priorities should be and what it should be focusing on at all times, I'd say its going to be sooner than later and sooner than expected for those who know what coming who are trying to delay/drag it out and continue to milk it as much as possible for as long as possible. The idea of guillotines and third world violence aka mob violence probably seems pretty scary to those who don't own private jets or direct access to them these days. Time's not on your side these days. As a matter of fact, time is running out on the Left which is why the Left is doing so much crazy shit and going along with crazy shit these days.
Yeah, wave that AmeriKKKan flag! But keep in mind, people like Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingram are already trying to untie the knot they bound themselves in, and you might be best served by getting ahead of that wave. So, to reiterate:
- No one is talking about Russian collusion, not because it never happened, but because it's too hard to explain to Joe Six-pack. Extortion, fully documented by recorded phone calls, on the other hand, is pretty easy.
- Your Birth of a Nation thesis is getting less and less likely by the day. No one is rushing to fortify the southern border anymore -- not even the Texans. I hold no hope for anything beyond talk and chest-thumping, because your pseudo-patriots just don't have it in them. The few who do can't stand the ground for the rest of you.
Quote:I bet you have closer ties to the KKK and the concept of white supremacy than me. You are an older white Southerner right. Okay, you may have adjusted to the idea of having to eat with them but that didn't mean you had to like it right. Me, I grew up with the idea of eating with them in grade school so it wasn't a big deal as we got older. I wonder how many Democratic supporters and partisan Left Wingers on the Liberal side fit in that group of people today. I see quite a few of them posting on other Liberal oriented sites on the internet. BTW, the bulk of them are Democratic women. I can tell that you don't feel very highly of Joe Six Pack these days. So, what are your feelings about Jill Six Pack these days? Do you feel the same way about her as Joe? There's lots of Jill Six Packs out there too. That's the cool thing about freedom, you're free to be a moron and free to continue screwing yourself and free to continue to promote lies that most view as bullshit these days too. See, you and Biden and the Democratic party have the same problem in common these days.
I have much German ancestry, my most recent German ancestors arriving in Pennsylvania around 1750, so I would not be surprised to find myself related to the worst white supremacists of all time: Nazi war criminals. I like to believe that I am a good person, and I fully recognize that one corollary of human goodness is that one hates Nazis. I have had some encounters with Nazi scum on the Web, and it is not surprising that as I condemn their cause they put two and two together, get five, and start accusing me of being Jewish. OK, I fit four Jewish stereotypes (no, I do not have a particularly big nose) well. The first is a German-sounding surname. The fourth is reddish hair, at least when I was young. The other two should be obvious.
I have told those swine that if I had to choose between being a Jew and a Nazi I would convert to Judaism with no hesitation because Judaism is far more compatible with my ethical beliefs and cultural values. I have also told them that only a fool would risk going to a Hell that has the damned souls of Nazis, Stalinists, and (this was before wars with Satan Hussein and Daesh)... you know who else. Too bad about pork and shellfish, both of which I enjoy. (Oh, that's no problem in Reform?)
..anyway, I find it hard for so many conservatives to recognize Donald Trump's complete rejection of traditional values and basic decencies that keep America from either implosion or centrifugal dissolution. Don't worry about that, as during the forthcoming, conformist and rational High, Americans will be imitating conservative behavior much more like that of Barack Obama than of Donald Trump. People loyal only to their vices become pariahs in a First Turning.
Quote:If foreign extortion truly mattered to you and the Democratic base or Us for that matter, Biden wouldn't be President since he was
seen on video tape bragging about a quid pro quo that he and Obama pulled off with the former President of Ukraine to remove a pesky investigator and Trump would've been impeached for what he did as well. Weren't you watching the trial the defense was making its case or didn't that particular aspect of foreign diplomacy really matter to you? Like I've said, where would you and the Democratic party be if the use of political extortion and bribery were made illegal. Shit, you and the Democrats are providing/trading/offering stuff in exchange for peoples votes and continued support all the time. It's pretty much what the Left has been doing since 1932. Where are we now in comparison, 1930 or so don't you think?
Trump had to be impeached for threatening national security and the sovereignty of an independent country for partisan dirty-work. The problem was that Republicans were mostly so blind to their partisan politics and their loyalty to amorally-vacant person that they put partisanship over legal integrity and national security. Trump preferred flattering murderous tyrants over consolidating ties with democratic leaders.
Quote:As far as the border, the border problem/illegal immigration has moved up significantly as far as its overall importance to American voters. I'm sure the Mexican/ Latin American voters on the Democratic side and the Progressives aka Democratic Socialists would prefer the current border situation remains as is and prefers that nothing significant be changed as far as border security. I mean, you've made it clear to most Americans over the years that you guys don't like the country and you'd like to change the population of the country. Peasants are easier to rule than American citizens and they're a lot cheaper wage wise too.
I'll take those recent Hispanic immigrants any day over Americans addled with drugs. They may work cheap... but maybe that reflects the weaknesses of unions, the only reliable allies that working people have. Many of those recent Latin-American immigrants assimilate either into the well-established Hispanic sector of America... or, surprisingly, white America. (The ones more tied to indigenous peoples in Central America aren't fully Hispanic, and Mexican-Americans often remind them of the exploitative ruling elites 'back home'. As for many of those from Central America, many are fleeing the madness of near-civil-war between drug cartels whose weapons are purchased with blood money supplied by American addicts.
Know well that I am a liberal on many things. NOT DRUGS!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
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(03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks were not liberals. The reformers in the Gorbachev era were considered liberals. Dictatorship, such as what Trump and you right-wingers want in the USA, is not "left" or "liberal." Consider the political circle as defined by the Libertarian Party. Stalin is more in the center, and near the bottom of the circle. He is not very far on the left. Stalin and the Soviets professed interests in economic and gender equality, and sometimes this was attained, but at the price that this equality would be at a low level of prosperity, and that individual rights would be sacrificed.
I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high. I don't speak for everyone on "the Left" in this. It is my personal comment directed at you. But if you use your guns in a civil war, you will be subject to arrest and confiscation of your guns by the other side. You are not interested in individual rights. Only in your "right" to be violent and harm others, and not to do your civic duty and pay taxes as decided by our democratic process.
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(03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks were not liberals. The reformers in the Gorbachev era were considered liberals. Dictatorship, such as what Trump and you right-wingers want in the USA, is not "left" or "liberal." Consider the political circle as defined by the Libertarian Party. Stalin is more in the center, and near the bottom of the circle. He is not very far on the left. Stalin and the Soviets professed interests in economic and gender equality, and sometimes this was attained, but at the price that this equality would be at a low level of prosperity, and that individual rights would be sacrificed.
I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high. I don't speak for everyone on "the Left" in this. It is my personal comment directed at you. But if you use your guns in a civil war, you will be subject to arrest and confiscation of your guns by the other side. You are not interested in individual rights. Only in your "right" to be violent and harm others, and not to do your civic duty and pay taxes as decided by our democratic process.
You're not liberal either. There are few liberals left on the Democratic side now that the Left controls most of the Democratic party. Like I said, you're a Left Wing Reactionary which is pretty obvious. You're not Stalin or a Bolshevik but you're a Left Wing Reactionary who is a lot like them. You're probably closer to Hitler and the Nazi's based on what I've seen of you and read of your posts so far. Well, guess what, whichever one you are doesn't matter to Americans because Americans will unite and kill/destroy either one of them. You'll see that eventually (you're already seeing it now in all the polls), you don't seem to be learning anything as we've been exchanging views and been moving closer to the 4T over the years. BTW, is there an individual right that I haven't openly displayed or defended over the years.
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(03-07-2022, 06:49 PM)Classic-Xer expounds Wrote: I bet you have closer ties to the KKK and the concept of white supremacy than me. You are an older white Southerner right. Okay, you may have adjusted to the idea of having to eat with them but that didn't mean you had to like it right. Me, I grew up with the idea of eating with them in grade school so it wasn't a big deal as we got older. I wonder how many Democratic supporters and partisan Left Wingers on the Liberal side fit in that group of people today. I see quite a few of them posting on other Liberal oriented sites on the internet. BTW, the bulk of them are Democratic women. I can tell that you don't feel very highly of Joe Six Pack these days. So, what are your feelings about Jill Six Pack these days? Do you feel the same way about her as Joe? There's lots of Jill Six Packs out there too. That's the cool thing about freedom, you're free to be a moron and free to continue screwing yourself and free to continue to promote lies that most view as bullshit these days too. See, you and Biden and the Democratic party have the same problem in common these days.
Here's a list:
- I was born in upstate New York and lived there until I entered the service. FWIW, I was also a member of SNCC, starting at age 15.
- I grew up with almost nothing but Joe Six-Packs, since mine was, as Natalie Merchant described it, a rusty old town.
- Most of the locals were Rockerfeller Republicans then and Trump Republicans now ... but not me.
Classic-Xer continues in the same vein Wrote:If foreign extortion truly mattered to you and the Democratic base or Us for that matter, Biden wouldn't be President since he was seen on video tape bragging about a quid pro quo that he and Obama pulled off with the former President of Ukraine to remove a pesky investigator and Trump would've been impeached for what he did as well. Weren't you watching the trial the defense was making its case or didn't that particular aspect of foreign diplomacy really matter to you? Like I've said, where would you and the Democratic party be if the use of political extortion and bribery were made illegal. Shit, you and the Democrats are providing/trading/offering stuff in exchange for peoples votes and continued support all the time. It's pretty much what the Left has been doing since 1932. Where are we now in comparison, 1930 or so don't you think?
Arm twisting for your country is a lot different than arm twisting for personal gain. And tell me: what are Democrats offering for votes, other than typical promises all politicians make? FYI, that's not extortion nor is it bribery.
yet more from Classic-Xer Wrote:As far as the border, the border problem/illegal immigration has moved up significantly as far as its overall importance to American voters. I'm sure the Mexican/ Latin American voters on the Democratic side and the Progressives aka Democratic Socialists would prefer the current border situation remains as is and prefers that nothing significant be changed as far as border security. I mean, you've made it clear to most Americans over the years that you guys don't like the country and you'd like to change the population of the country. Peasants are easier to rule than American citizens and they're a lot cheaper wage wise too.
But all of a sudden, the border just isn't an issue, is it? Maybe it will be some other time, but not now.
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(03-08-2022, 04:00 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks were not liberals. The reformers in the Gorbachev era were considered liberals. Dictatorship, such as what Trump and you right-wingers want in the USA, is not "left" or "liberal." Consider the political circle as defined by the Libertarian Party. Stalin is more in the center, and near the bottom of the circle. He is not very far on the left. Stalin and the Soviets professed interests in economic and gender equality, and sometimes this was attained, but at the price that this equality would be at a low level of prosperity, and that individual rights would be sacrificed.
I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high. I don't speak for everyone on "the Left" in this. It is my personal comment directed at you. But if you use your guns in a civil war, you will be subject to arrest and confiscation of your guns by the other side. You are not interested in individual rights. Only in your "right" to be violent and harm others, and not to do your civic duty and pay taxes as decided by our democratic process.
You're not liberal either. There are few liberals left on the Democratic side now that the Left controls most of the party Like I said, you're a Left Wing Reactionary which is pretty obvious. You're not Stalin or a Bolshevik but you're a Left Wing Reactionary who is a lot like them. You're probably closer to Hitler and the Nazi's based on what I've seen of you and read of your posts so far. Well, guess what, whichever one you are doesn't matter to Americans because Americans will unite and kill/destroy either one of them. You'll see it eventually, you don't seem to be learning anything as we've been exchanging views, seeing results and moving along towards the 4T over the years.
I am a liberal. I am not a neoliberal like you. Despite the resemblance of terms, there's a vast difference between them. THere is no such thing as a left-wing reactionary. The terms are contradictory. I am not a lot like Stalin or Bolsheviks, and you are the one who is close to Hitler, because you are a racist and you support oligarchs and giving them tax breaks and subsidies, and you believe in free access to guns as Hitler did. You don't seem to be learning anything, that's true. You are a reactionary.
Americans will indeed oppose Nazis, and Bolsheviks too should they ever arise here. Right now, there are no Bolsheviks in the USA, but there are Nazis, and that may include you. Many Americans are allied in supporting resistance to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. There is still a division among Americans. Some Republicans are moving away from the racist nationalism and the support for big lies and the Trump coup that you laud and agree with. There remains however the addiction by Republicans like you to neoliberalism at a time when we need to raise taxes, especially on the wealthy, and provide social spending to help workers and the poor directly rather than giving breaks to "job creaters" and hoping benefits will trickle down from the greedy to the needy. And we will likely need to raise taxes for more support for NATO now.
I am very glad Biden banned Russian oil in the USA. I asked for this for several days in my comments to the white house. I hope it can be extended to the Europeans soon. I see that they will embark on a program of faster transition to renewable energy. More oil and gas sent to them by others could be a temporary measure.
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(03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin was a madman and a gangster devoid of any respect for human life. The only moral thing that he did was to ban corporal punishment in schools (I suspect that he had much experience with beatings). He is hated even in some far-left circles.The Communist Party of the USA disparages him for his cruelty and despotism.
Your vengeful, angry rhetoric is far closer to suggesting what Stalin did than what Reagan or Thatcher did.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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03-08-2022, 09:10 PM
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(03-08-2022, 07:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 07:40 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is so strange to hear reactionaries like Classic Xer saying time is running out for us liberals, and that their time is coming, when it HAS already been THEIR time for 41 years, and liberals in the USA rarely get more than a year or two and then are consigned to virtual powerlessness for the following 12-14 years or more. And even this time, during the Biden presidency so far, I don't think liberals can even say that their time has come again yet. What Classic Xer and their ilk threaten is just same o same o for more and more years.
You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin was a madman and a gangster devoid of any respect for human life. The only moral thing that he did was to ban corporal punishment in schools (I suspect that he had much experience with beatings). He is hated even in some far-left circles.The Communist Party of the USA disparages him for his cruelty and despotism.
Your vengeful, angry rhetoric is far closer to suggesting what Stalin did than what Reagan or Thatcher did.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
Stalin was a Left Wing dictator aka Communist dictator. Hitler was another Left Wing dictator aka Fascist dictator. Do you want to share the same fate as Eric? You have a choice, I hope you make the right choices but if you don't then whatever, it's your life not mine.
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(03-08-2022, 04:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 04:00 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks were not liberals. The reformers in the Gorbachev era were considered liberals. Dictatorship, such as what Trump and you right-wingers want in the USA, is not "left" or "liberal." Consider the political circle as defined by the Libertarian Party. Stalin is more in the center, and near the bottom of the circle. He is not very far on the left. Stalin and the Soviets professed interests in economic and gender equality, and sometimes this was attained, but at the price that this equality would be at a low level of prosperity, and that individual rights would be sacrificed.
I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high. I don't speak for everyone on "the Left" in this. It is my personal comment directed at you. But if you use your guns in a civil war, you will be subject to arrest and confiscation of your guns by the other side. You are not interested in individual rights. Only in your "right" to be violent and harm others, and not to do your civic duty and pay taxes as decided by our democratic process.
You're not liberal either. There are few liberals left on the Democratic side now that the Left controls most of the party Like I said, you're a Left Wing Reactionary which is pretty obvious. You're not Stalin or a Bolshevik but you're a Left Wing Reactionary who is a lot like them. You're probably closer to Hitler and the Nazi's based on what I've seen of you and read of your posts so far. Well, guess what, whichever one you are doesn't matter to Americans because Americans will unite and kill/destroy either one of them. You'll see it eventually, you don't seem to be learning anything as we've been exchanging views, seeing results and moving along towards the 4T over the years.
I am a liberal. I am not a neoliberal like you. Despite the resemblance of terms, there's a vast difference between them. THere is no such thing as a left-wing reactionary. The terms are contradictory. I am not a lot like Stalin or Bolsheviks, and you are the one who is close to Hitler, because you are a racist and you support oligarchs and giving them tax breaks and subsidies, and you believe in free access to guns as Hitler did. You don't seem to be learning anything, that's true. You are a reactionary.
Americans will indeed oppose Nazis, and Bolsheviks too should they ever arise here. Right now, there are no Bolsheviks in the USA, but there are Nazis, and that may include you. Many Americans are allied in supporting resistance to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. There is still a division among Americans. Some Republicans are moving away from the racist nationalism and the support for big lies and the Trump coup that you laud and agree with. There remains however the addiction by Republicans like you to neoliberalism at a time when we need to raise taxes, especially on the wealthy, and provide social spending to help workers and the poor directly rather than giving breaks to "job creaters" and hoping benefits will trickle down from the greedy to the needy. And we will likely need to raise taxes for more support for NATO now.
I am very glad Biden banned Russian oil in the USA. I asked for this for several days in my comments to the white house. I hope it can be extended to the Europeans soon. I see that they will embark on a program of faster transition to renewable energy. More oil and gas sent to them by others could be a temporary measure.
You're not liberal. You're to partisan to be liberal. As matter of fact, none of you are as liberal as me on the issues that matter most to you. I mean, none of you would even consider increasing domestic oil production or building more nuclear power plants these days. I'm not a neoliberal. If I was a neoliberal, I would have voted for Clinton and Biden instead of Trump like the neoliberal minded GOP's did back in 2016 & 2020. Global trading matters to me but it doesn't matter more to me than the country. Trump was a direct threat to the neoliberal establishments and he still is today. Reagan didn't have anything to do with what the Presidents that followed him did or the trade agreements they made while they were in office.
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(03-08-2022, 09:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-08-2022, 07:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-07-2022, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-07-2022, 02:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You're the Left Wing Reactionary, I'm an American and you better start getting that straight in that silly mind of yours because the clock is ticking downwards and fate has already been placed in your hands so to speak. In short, if you want to die/self destruct, we'll be happy to oblige and help speed up the process.
"Left wing reactionary" is a contradiction in terms. Only right-wingers like you are or ever can be reactionaries. I just hope we can "steal" both your guns and your tax money as much as we can. If you use your guns to seal our fate, odds are they will be confiscated and you will be jailed.
What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin was a madman and a gangster devoid of any respect for human life. The only moral thing that he did was to ban corporal punishment in schools (I suspect that he had much experience with beatings). He is hated even in some far-left circles.The Communist Party of the USA disparages him for his cruelty and despotism.
Your vengeful, angry rhetoric is far closer to suggesting what Stalin did than what Reagan or Thatcher did.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
Stalin was a Left Wing dictator aka Communist dictator. Hitler was another Left Wing dictator aka Fascist dictator. Do you want to find yourself being lumped with Eric and share the same fate as Eric? You have a choice, I hope you make the right choices but if you don't then whatever, it's your life not mine.
Hitler, like most fascists, was a right-winger. Hitler served the agrarian and industrial elites at the expense of working people. He destroyed trade unions in favor of the German Labor Front, an organization that simply exhorted workers to work harder and longer for less so that they .could deserve more from employers (which they of course never t) while fleecing workers for contributions to dubious charities such as the bank account of its leader Robert Ley.. Workers lost the right to strike or even change employers, so they became industrial serfs. Any worker who fell short of an employer's demands could be carted off to a concentration camp at which he would be sweated even more for short rations until he either died or learned to fit Nazi expectations. Add to this, Nazi Germany became a slave system even harsher than the ante-bellum South.
Ultra-Leftist Karl Marx endorsed the Union side in the American Civil War in opposition to slavery. Tell me what sort of Leftist would have endorsed Nazi-style slavery.
You can count on me opposing any fascism even if it calls itself "American". I have a far broader concept of what is American than you do, and it wants nothing to do with any culling of those people that you consider un-American.
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03-09-2022, 12:13 AM
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(03-08-2022, 11:02 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-08-2022, 04:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 04:00 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 11:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What was Stalin? What were the Bolsheviks? I assume what I said about you, what you are doesn't fit/comply with the Lefts narrative in your mind . Yep, removing our means to defend and taking from Us whatever you need seems to be the Lefts goal. Like I said, I'm talking to a dead man. Do you think I would have an issue slitting your throat from ear to ear? If we get to the point of using our guns to seal your fate, you've already lost the diplomatic battle and we'll be at war with each other and everything we do during war will be legal.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks were not liberals. The reformers in the Gorbachev era were considered liberals. Dictatorship, such as what Trump and you right-wingers want in the USA, is not "left" or "liberal." Consider the political circle as defined by the Libertarian Party. Stalin is more in the center, and near the bottom of the circle. He is not very far on the left. Stalin and the Soviets professed interests in economic and gender equality, and sometimes this was attained, but at the price that this equality would be at a low level of prosperity, and that individual rights would be sacrificed.
I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high. I don't speak for everyone on "the Left" in this. It is my personal comment directed at you. But if you use your guns in a civil war, you will be subject to arrest and confiscation of your guns by the other side. You are not interested in individual rights. Only in your "right" to be violent and harm others, and not to do your civic duty and pay taxes as decided by our democratic process.
You're not liberal either. There are few liberals left on the Democratic side now that the Left controls most of the party Like I said, you're a Left Wing Reactionary which is pretty obvious. You're not Stalin or a Bolshevik but you're a Left Wing Reactionary who is a lot like them. You're probably closer to Hitler and the Nazi's based on what I've seen of you and read of your posts so far. Well, guess what, whichever one you are doesn't matter to Americans because Americans will unite and kill/destroy either one of them. You'll see it eventually, you don't seem to be learning anything as we've been exchanging views, seeing results and moving along towards the 4T over the years.
I am a liberal. I am not a neoliberal like you. Despite the resemblance of terms, there's a vast difference between them. THere is no such thing as a left-wing reactionary. The terms are contradictory. I am not a lot like Stalin or Bolsheviks, and you are the one who is close to Hitler, because you are a racist and you support oligarchs and giving them tax breaks and subsidies, and you believe in free access to guns as Hitler did. You don't seem to be learning anything, that's true. You are a reactionary.
Americans will indeed oppose Nazis, and Bolsheviks too should they ever arise here. Right now, there are no Bolsheviks in the USA, but there are Nazis, and that may include you. Many Americans are allied in supporting resistance to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. There is still a division among Americans. Some Republicans are moving away from the racist nationalism and the support for big lies and the Trump coup that you laud and agree with. There remains however the addiction by Republicans like you to neoliberalism at a time when we need to raise taxes, especially on the wealthy, and provide social spending to help workers and the poor directly rather than giving breaks to "job creaters" and hoping benefits will trickle down from the greedy to the needy. And we will likely need to raise taxes for more support for NATO now.
I am very glad Biden banned Russian oil in the USA. I asked for this for several days in my comments to the white house. I hope it can be extended to the Europeans soon. I see that they will embark on a program of faster transition to renewable energy. More oil and gas sent to them by others could be a temporary measure.
You're not liberal. You're to partisan to be liberal. As matter of fact, none of you are as liberal as me on the issues that matter most to you. I mean, none of you would even consider increasing domestic oil production or building more nuclear power plants these days. I'm not a neoliberal. If I was a neoliberal, I would have voted for Clinton and Biden instead of Trump like the neoliberal minded GOP's did back in 2016 & 2020. Global trading matters to me but it doesn't matter more to me than the country. Trump was a direct threat to the neoliberal establishments and he still is today. Reagan didn't have anything to do with what the Presidents that followed him did or the trade agreements they made while they were in office.
To be liberal today is to be a partisan Democrat. That's because the alternative is so reactionary, as you are. You don't understand neoliberalism. You choose not to. The champion of neoliberalism was Reagan. Reagan had everything to do with all the presidents of the next 40 years and the entire Republican Party. You deliberately choose not to understand that. You could if you chose to.
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03-09-2022, 01:34 AM
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(03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high.
I always think this comment should be so obvious about why I make it to folks like Classic Xer. He is so obsessed with what is really not a significant problem for him-- that he might lose his guns or pay higher taxes because of Democrats-- that I exaggerate my hopes that he suffers them. But I don't think he realizes how insignificant and unimportant these concerns really are. I don't think he gets why I exaggerate them.
I remember I said this at a meeting about the Obamacare proposal in 2010 that I made to an anti-Obamacare Tea Party protester; that I hoped his taxes would go through the roof. He smiled; I think he got it. It just makes Classic Xer more angry and threatening. He doesn't get it.
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Does Classic X'er get the Nietzsche reference?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(03-09-2022, 01:49 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Does Classic X'er get the Nietzsche reference?
No. I'm not always sure that I get it. I can be hypercritical and angry too. Even though my favorite rock song of all time covers it. And it comes from an album and a project with so many insightful and panoramic, grand, vividly-experiential and well-executed songs and sounds like this one. What we rebel against, often becomes what we create too. It is hard to learn the lessons of life, especially since the world is still filled with a lot of evil and injustice.
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The point is that extremists and fanatics often become like those that they excoriate (Nazis becoming like Stalinists) or how they see their enemies (Nazis acting in ways characteristic of their strawman enemy). Pinochet and Castro were alike in repression and terror even though they saw each other as the embodiment of evil..
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(03-09-2022, 03:01 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The point is that extremists and fanatics often become like those that they excoriate (Nazis becoming like Stalinists) or how they see their enemies (Nazis acting in ways characteristic of their strawman enemy). Pinochet and Castro were alike in repression and terror even though they saw each other as the embodiment of evil..
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(03-09-2022, 01:34 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-08-2022, 01:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I hope we can take away your guns and end your ability to "defend" against paying taxes. I hope taxes on you go sky high.
I always think this comment should be so obvious about why I make it to folks like Classic Xer. He is so obsessed with what is really not a significant problem for him-- that he might lose his guns or pay higher taxes because of Democrats-- that I exaggerate my hopes that he suffers them. But I don't think he realizes how insignificant and unimportant these concerns really are. I don't think he gets why I exaggerate them.
I remember I said this at a meeting about the Obamacare proposal in 2010 that I made to an anti-Obamacare Tea Party protester; that I hoped his taxes would go through the roof. He smiled; I think he got it. It just makes Classic Xer more angry and threatening. He doesn't get it.
It's one thing to quibble over marginal tax rates that will likely be changed by the next administration if they veer too far in the extreme of either direction. Losing guns on the other hand? That's a very big deal. If anything, I think we should be encouraging law abiding citizens to own guns. An armed society is a free society.
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