You are the stars

[Eric the Green]

Without thoroughly endorsing it, Alan Watts explains why astrology is relevant to reality. A human is a microcosm of the macrocosm. The stars are in your mind. Each being is in relation to the all and to all others. The body is inside the soul. The horoscope is a map of the universe at the time of a person's birth, therefore it was a drawing of the soul, which is the whole universe as it is focused on your organism. 

https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=55m52s

[Eric the Green]

Watts goes on to demolish both Galen's individualism and the Marxists' collectivism. We have ecological blindness, the illusion of separateness; the stress in the West on the individual. Marxism is just based on the collections of individuals.
https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=1h8m28s

[Galen]

(07-28-2016, 01:32 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Watts goes on to demolish both Galen's individualism and the Marxists' collectivism. We have ecological blindness, the illusion of separateness; the stress in the West on the individual. Marxism is just based on the collections of individuals.
https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=1h8m28s

I just got done scanning some of his stuff and it is more of that New Age crap that got started in the seventies, which sadly unlike the seventies, never quite went away.  Sounds about as bad as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who was full of shit as well.  I was relieved when he left the state and was not sorry when they planted him in the ground since I knew he wasn't coming back to cause any more problems.

[Eric the Green]

(07-28-2016, 01:47 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 01:32 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Watts goes on to demolish both Galen's individualism and the Marxists' collectivism. We have ecological blindness, the illusion of separateness; the stress in the West on the individual. Marxism is just based on the collections of individuals.
https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=1h8m28s

I just got done scanning some of his stuff and it is more of that New Age crap that got started in the seventies, which sadly unlike the seventies, never quite went away.  Sounds about as bad as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who was full of shit as well.  I was relieved when he left the state and was not sorry when they planted him in the ground since I knew he wasn't coming back to cause any more problems.

Well, Mr. Watts got started long before the 1970s, so I guess another Galen theory falls apart. Now that would be an easy prediction, since every doctrine Galen professes is wrong. You don't need Osho to demolish individualism, and you don't need the New Age to do it either. But astrology does help, and so does good philosophy that just makes sense when you hear it. That does not include Mises or Ayn Rand or Hayek or Friedman or Reagan or any other of those nincompoopoos. If Galen thinks he's an individual, he should try breathing with only his own air, or get by without eating and drinking, or even seeing or noticing anything but himself. As Watts said, if you look for yourself, you find the world, and if you look for the world, you find yourself. Interdependence and relationship is just there; no amount of baloney can hide that even from Galen if he bothers to take his nose out of his fraudulent economics books for just a moment to consider reality.

[Eric the Green]

(07-28-2016, 01:41 AM)taramarie Wrote: I'm no prophet but throwing out names is going to stir the pot. Time to get my popcorn. Only a matter of time.....

I would have thrown out a Marxist name too, but kinser has pretty much gone over to the other side just because he hates Hillary and likes his boy Trumpie.

[Galen]

(07-28-2016, 12:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 01:47 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 01:32 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Watts goes on to demolish both Galen's individualism and the Marxists' collectivism. We have ecological blindness, the illusion of separateness; the stress in the West on the individual. Marxism is just based on the collections of individuals.
https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=1h8m28s

I just got done scanning some of his stuff and it is more of that New Age crap that got started in the seventies, which sadly unlike the seventies, never quite went away.  Sounds about as bad as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who was full of shit as well.  I was relieved when he left the state and was not sorry when they planted him in the ground since I knew he wasn't coming back to cause any more problems.

Well, Mr. Watts got started long before the 1970s, so I guess another Galen theory falls apart.

Boomers don't have that much imagination so I always expected that they got their ideas from somewhere else and now I know where.  Watts is simply one of the few GIs that were not as rational as the rest tended to be.  I never said anything about who came first but rather that it sounded like the same crap that I encountered in the seventies when it became popular.  I never heard of the guy until you mentioned him and its just as well.

Your statements about Mises and Hayek simply highlight your ignorance of economics specifically and the world in general.

[Eric the Green]

(07-28-2016, 01:08 PM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 12:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 01:47 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 01:32 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Watts goes on to demolish both Galen's individualism and the Marxists' collectivism. We have ecological blindness, the illusion of separateness; the stress in the West on the individual. Marxism is just based on the collections of individuals.
https://youtu.be/v7vFOU8e0wU?t=1h8m28s

I just got done scanning some of his stuff and it is more of that New Age crap that got started in the seventies, which sadly unlike the seventies, never quite went away.  Sounds about as bad as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who was full of shit as well.  I was relieved when he left the state and was not sorry when they planted him in the ground since I knew he wasn't coming back to cause any more problems.

Well, Mr. Watts got started long before the 1970s, so I guess another Galen theory falls apart.

Boomers don't have that much imagination so I always expected that they got their ideas from somewhere else and now I know where.  Watts is simply one of the few GIs that were not as rational as the rest tended to be.  I never said anything about who came first but rather that it sounded like the same crap that I encountered in the seventies when it became popular.  I never heard of the guy until you mentioned him and its just as well.

Xer calling the kettle black re. "imagination" HA!

Quote:Your statements about Mises and Hayek simply highlight your ignorance of economics specifically and the world in general.

IOW yes I disagree with you.

[Galen]

(07-28-2016, 04:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Just have to say the ability to have imagination and creativity is not just confined to one specific generation. it changes constantly with new technology. It changes sound and shape BUT what is not creative is how it usually is influenced by older ideas. Nothing is original. It will 99% of the time have an older origin. (I took art history as part of my degree course). Boomers are no different.

There is a certain truth to that but you didn't have be around them while they were spouting warmed over Marxism or a bunch of New Age bullshit all the while zoned out on some mind altering substance.  It doesn't look like many brain cells in the skull of Eric the Obtuse survived the sixties and seventies.

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 12:08 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 04:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Just have to say the ability to have imagination and creativity is not just confined to one specific generation. it changes constantly with new technology. It changes sound and shape BUT what is not creative is how it usually is influenced by older ideas. Nothing is original. It will 99% of the time have an older origin. (I took art history as part of my degree course). Boomers are no different.

There is a certain truth to that but you didn't have be around them while they were spouting warmed over Marxism or a bunch of New Age bullshit all the while zoned out on some mind altering substance.  It doesn't look like many brain cells in the skull of Eric the Obtuse survived the sixties and seventies.

You are just jealous that you didn't have the boomer experience and imagination. Too bad. LSD enlivened our culture and opened imagination. That's what it's for, and that's what it did for all of us. It opened the way for human potential to grow in the New Age, although I myself never took any LSD. And of course you call any progressive politics "Marxist."

But what doctrinaire libertarians say means nothing, zero, nada. What you say about me and boomers merely reflects your doctrinaire politics and your illusions that you are a separate individual in a material world. But anyone with any brain cells at all can see past such an obvious error. LSD, the New Age, philosophy; these things help those with any curiosity at all see past the obvious delusion that we are separate individuals, and instead are part of the cosmos in an ecological whole. That is SO elementary, SO basic, SO evident to people of ANY generation with ANY intelligence, that people like you who remain deluded, and build your insane politics around it, are just hopeless relics of a hopeless past.

Take your nose out of your economics book, and observe and experience reality.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 12:47 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 12:08 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-28-2016, 04:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Just have to say the ability to have imagination and creativity is not just confined to one specific generation. it changes constantly with new technology. It changes sound and shape BUT what is not creative is how it usually is influenced by older ideas. Nothing is original. It will 99% of the time have an older origin. (I took art history as part of my degree course). Boomers are no different.

There is a certain truth to that but you didn't have be around them while they were spouting warmed over Marxism or a bunch of New Age bullshit all the while zoned out on some mind altering substance.  It doesn't look like many brain cells in the skull of Eric the Obtuse survived the sixties and seventies.

You are just jealous that you didn't have the boomer experience and imagination. Too bad. LSD enlivened our culture and opened imagination. That's what it's for, and that's what it did for all of us. It opened the way for human potential to grow in the New Age, although I myself never took any LSD. And of course you call any progressive politics "Marxist."

I seem to remember quite a few copies of Das Kapital being passed around all those years ago. Come to think of it they spent a lot of time telling me how great the Soviet Union was but curiously they had never been there. History shows that they were full of shit about both Marx and the Soviet Union.

I have seen a lot of drugged out people in my time both Boomer and Xer. I can say with complete certainty that all it did was make them stupid.

(07-29-2016, 12:47 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote: Take your nose out of your economics book, and observe and experience reality.

I read many books actually but happily I read very fast so I have had plenty of time to experience reality. That is also why I don't like to mess with the brain chemistry since I have had to deal with some very nasty bits of reality like so many other Xers. Many of those bits took place while you were busy getting stoned and creating the wreckage the Xers and Millies get to deal with.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 02:21 AM)taramarie Wrote: If anyone has a shred of insight and sensitivity one would know that Galen and other xers like him are not jealous of that particular part of boomer culture but rather they are disgusted by it. See it through the eyes of a little one seeing their parents like that. I never experienced that but you can try to put yourself in their shoes. I think they are disgusted and infuriated at what went on. I do not see them as jealous but rather making a stone out into something prophetic. More than what they see it as. It is a whole new pair of eyes seeing it from the outside. Like what i am doing now trying to see it from xers eyes. Something i can only interpret as i was not alive at the time nor have i gone through something similar. When i was born boomers were a totally different creature altogether. Middle aged, focused on raising a new generation the way they wanted. To emulate what they constantly said was dying in this society. They were family focused and i did not see that wild side that xers saw. So if i have interpreted xers wrong they can correct me. Only they can explain from their perspective how they interpreted the actions of their elders. But i certainly see them feeling the opposite of jealous. As a millie part of me was jealous seeing the freedom boomers had at woodstock. Due to the fact i was put to nose in the books and pushed to be an over achiever. To make my family proud. To be better than my elders who left school when they were in their teens. I never went out and did something like that. I was always at home studying. But i am not jealous of the drug taking. Ugh i value my life and my family would be so disappointed if i did something like that.

You weren't there but you are doing better at figuring it out than many do.  I got lucky in that my Boomer parents weren't hippies but there were plenty of others who were.

It is worse than that.  They wreck everything they have ever touched and then are proud of it and never apologize or clean up their messes.  Guess who gets to do that.  The thing about Xers is that we got to experience a whole lot of reality at a very young age.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 02:49 AM)taramarie Wrote: Well I listen to what people say. But thing is i would not even need that to figure out how they interpreted what was going on from their perception. I mean wee ones looking after their stoned out parents! God knows how many households did that at that time let alone woodstock. It was a disconcerting watch for me. It is no wonder some view drugs in that manner. They were the parents to their parents. (Note i know it is only some) but it came along with some queer ideas by the sounds of things that led to cult behaviour, death and in some ways, ignorant blind followers. This includes politics also. Yes, xers and millies have to clean up the mess. I mean how much debt are you guys in now? Let alone my country. Boomer leaders are doing a swell job over here too NOT.

There were several entertaining cults such as the Reverend Jim Jones which left quite a few dead.  My personal favorite are the Rajneeshees who tried to take over Wasco county.  God, what a freak show they were.  That little group is known for the first bio-terrorism attack which was executed with all of the incompetence I have come to expect from Boomers.

I have more than enough experience to justify my attitude toward Eric the Obtuse and his ilk.  This is only a small sampling of the fruit of the Consciousness Revolution.  When they don't get their way they act like spoiled brats and do something stupid.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 03:25 AM)taramarie Wrote: Now we have heard from an actual xers experience this should give Eric reason to consider taking back the "jealous" accusation and listen to this experience. We already know how he interprets that era. But if he thinks younger folk will want to follow what ideas they were discussing he needs to consider how some interpret that era and realize that will never happen. However my generation did not experience the 2T at all and have only heard of it 2nd hand. I would love to know why he thinks younger folk are going to morph society to conclude what was being preached during the 2T. There were so many voices by the sounds of things after all.

When you were growing up they spent all of their time trying to cover up their misspent youth.  By 1982 you couldn't find very many that would admit to anything, it was always somebody else.  Keep in mind they all got religion then.  Christianity or Secular Humanism.  They are both fundamentalists but just have a different god in the case of the humanists it is the state.

Don't think the Xers didn't notice that little bit of hypocrisy added to the already existing pile.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 03:45 AM)taramarie Wrote: Hmm interesting. Yeah I never saw any of it. It was quite something to see what some boomers were like in their youth. It was totally shocking. As xers saw the hypocrisy it does make me wonder why they think their ideas will conclude at the end of the 4T. I tell many boomers who are blindly idealistic it will never happen. But it never gets through to them. Such ignorance and delusion. It takes the majority of a society to make an ideal reality. A stable ideal that does not destroy the economy/planet is ideal as they are both connected to our very survival.....but many of the ideals i hear from older boomers (seems to always be those '40s boomers) do not sound realistic, nor sustainable. Such a waste of time trying. Heck i wonder if GIs had similar conversations with the lost about the missionaries lol. Perhaps not. I have heard the missionaries were much more stable prophets to a certain degree. Much more organized.

There is crucial difference between the last second turning and all of the previous second turnings in the US.  In the earlier examples there was a religious revival.  In many ways it was an effort to reclaim American culture.  While it did lead to some craziness such as Prohibition it never went as far off the rails.  The Boomers on the other hand were making a very conscious effort to reject western culture.  The Reverend Jones was an exception in that he embraced what I would consider a distortion of Christianity.  This is the crucial difference you need to understand to get a handle on why things got so crazy.  They tended to throw out western concepts of rationality and the need for evidence and logic.

There were a fair scattering of fifties Boomers that went that way as well.  I had Boomers step-brothers and step-sisters at a couple of point growing up.  One step-sister went down that road and the consequences were fatal and she was seventeen.

[Galen]

(07-29-2016, 04:21 AM)taramarie Wrote: I wonder why they wanted to reject western culture? Devoid of the kind of eastern spiritual exploration that they desired? Throwing out evidence and western concepts of logic and rationality....if that is anything like Eric regarding mechanistic ideas or what is his favourite word for describing that way of thinking.....shit i have had too much beer to remember it right now. Hahahaha!
Anyway i would rather have a good grasp of reality rather than what nonsense they were eating up and dying for back then. Good to be a civic and get a good dose of reality at a young age. Although we will most likely make our own mistakes in the future. No doubt. We are after all imperfect.

I don't fully understand the reason for the hatred of western culture, which usually comes from the left, but I do not deny its reality.  It does however explain their adopting rather oversimplified versions of Eastern mysticism.  The closest current equivalent is the SJWs who consider logic to be racist.  Don't ask me to explain that one because I don't really understand it myself.

Glad to see that you are enjoying your evening.

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 02:14 AM)Galen Wrote: I seem to remember quite a few copies of Das Kapital being passed around all those years ago. Come to think of it they spent a lot of time telling me how great the Soviet Union was but curiously they had never been there. History shows that they were full of shit about both Marx and the Soviet Union.

I have seen a lot of drugged out people in my time both Boomer and Xer. I can say with complete certainty that all it did was make them stupid.

I knew a lot more boomers than you did, because I was their age and I was close to where the most hippies and radicals of the sixties were. I can say with complete certainty that psychedelics opened up countless people, including GIs and Silents as well as Boomers, and even Xers too, to greater life and awareness, and it made them a whole lot smarter. I knew a few others who went crazy on psychedelics and had a hard time recovering. But I don't remember anyone who was made stupid at all. And I met only a few who were into Marxism (and one of them was a Silent). I know that some radicals were, but the main movements of the time were not Marxist but peace and ecology movements, and they were otherwise progressive and to a large degree anarchist. Later of course I got involved with the Greens. They are not Marxists either, for the most part. I never saw a single copy of Das Kapital.

Quote:I read many books actually but happily I read very fast so I have had plenty of time to experience reality. That is also why I don't like to mess with the brain chemistry since I have had to deal with some very nasty bits of reality like so many other Xers. Many of those bits took place while you were busy getting stoned and creating the wreckage the Xers and Millies get to deal with.

Many of you Xers give us nothing but excuses for your lack of awareness and your cynical attitudes. I don't buy it. Your generation suffered from broken families, but many of us core boomers had oppressive and lonely ones; not much better. You had more freedom from parental oppression, and you had economic opportunity because of your lower population compared to Boomers and Jonesers. The only wreckage was created by your ridiculous and callous economic philosophy, which has shut down opportunity for many young people in these last 36 years and counting, and shifted all economic advancement to the top 1% of the people. If you were really concerned about people having to deal with wreckage, you would see that, but you are completely blind to the problem, and absorbed instead with your ridiculous economic philosophy which you uphold because of your cynical attitudes.

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 02:21 AM)taramarie Wrote: If anyone has a shred of insight and sensitivity one would know that Galen and other xers like him are not jealous of that particular part of boomer culture but rather they are disgusted by it. See it through the eyes of a little one seeing their parents like that. I never experienced that but you can try to put yourself in their shoes. I think they are disgusted and infuriated at what went on.

My impulse is to say baloney baloney baloney. The boomer counter-culture was glorious, and no children who grew up with it would have been disgusted, because that disgust arises from cultural programming, so those kids who grew up with it would not have been programmed to be disgusted. Those who are "disgusted" were brought up outside and beyond the hippies and liberals of the sixties, and their disgust was created by parents and media who programmed it into them. The counter-cultural experiences, the social liberation, and all the other changes did not work out well for everyone involved, and some children were neglected and families broken; I understand that. Cynical response on the part of young Xers, embracing a philosophy of callous denial and materialism, getting hooked on the Reagan counter-revolution they grew up with, and getting stuck in individualist/anarchist utopian blindness, as Galen does, is not the answer to finding the right path in a world in transition to a new way of life, but to become a part of the transition, and to work to evolve it and make it better for all.

Quote: I do not see them as jealous but rather making a stone out into something prophetic. More than what they see it as. It is a whole new pair of eyes seeing it from the outside. Like what i am doing now trying to see it from xers eyes. Something i can only interpret as i was not alive at the time nor have i gone through something similar. When i was born boomers were a totally different creature altogether. Middle aged, focused on raising a new generation the way they wanted. To emulate what they constantly said was dying in this society. They were family focused and i did not see that wild side that xers saw. So if i have interpreted xers wrong they can correct me. Only they can explain from their perspective how they interpreted the actions of their elders. But i certainly see them feeling the opposite of jealous. As a millie part of me was jealous seeing the freedom boomers had at woodstock. Due to the fact i was put to nose in the books and pushed to be an over achiever. To make my family proud. To be better than my elders who left school when they were in their teens. I never went out and did something like that. I was always at home studying. But i am not jealous of the drug taking. Ugh i value my life and my family would be so disappointed if i did something like that.

You are educated to be against psychedelics (which are not "drugs" anyway) by your parents, so that's why you feel that way. LSD is not for everyone, but there's no reason to put it down or buy into the parental and media propaganda against it. It opens many peoples eyes to reality, and instead of oppressing it, it should be channeled and administered to people in the proper set and setting. If you were properly educated about psychedelics, you would know what those terms mean. But you and most Xers and Millies have instead been brainwashed into knee-jerk opposition. The music is a good substitute for people who don't want to take psychedelics, and so are mystical and new age pursuits that have become available to our culture since the sixties and seventies. That is a great opportunity for all of us. But it takes a curious person who is interested in climbing out of the limited lives we are programmed to lead; a person who wants a deeper and more aware way of life than, as you say, just keeping your nose in our books and to the grindstone.

I see no excuse for Xer cynicism. Economic and spiritual opportunity has been all around them, and reacting and throwing over the boomer experience was what was harmful to them, and not anything else. Xers such as Galen are resentful and jealous. There is no excuse for boomers either to turn away from the ideals of their youth and embracing conservative ideas. That is betrayal, pure and simple.

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 04:21 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 04:03 AM)Galen Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 03:45 AM)taramarie Wrote: Hmm interesting. Yeah I never saw any of it. It was quite something to see what some boomers were like in their youth. It was totally shocking. As xers saw the hypocrisy it does make me wonder why they think their ideas will conclude at the end of the 4T. I tell many boomers who are blindly idealistic it will never happen. But it never gets through to them. Such ignorance and delusion. It takes the majority of a society to make an ideal reality. A stable ideal that does not destroy the economy/planet is ideal as they are both connected to our very survival.....but many of the ideals i hear from older boomers (seems to always be those '40s boomers) do not sound realistic, nor sustainable. Such a waste of time trying. Heck i wonder if GIs had similar conversations with the lost about the missionaries lol. Perhaps not. I have heard the missionaries were much more stable prophets to a certain degree. Much more organized.

There is crucial difference between the last second turning and all of the previous second turnings in the US.  In the earlier examples there was a religious revival.  In many ways it was an effort to reclaim American culture.  While it did lead to some craziness such as Prohibition it never went as far off the rails.  The Boomers on the other hand were making a very conscious effort to reject western culture.  The Reverend Jones was an exception in that he embraced what I would consider a distortion of Christianity.  This is the crucial difference you need to understand to get a handle on why things got so crazy.  They tended to throw out western concepts of rationality and the need for evidence and logic.

There were a fair scattering of fifties Boomers that went that way as well.  I had Boomers step-brothers and step-sisters at a couple of point growing up.  One step-sister went down that road and the consequences were fatal and she was seventeen.

I wonder why they wanted to reject western culture? Devoid of the kind of eastern spiritual exploration that they desired? Throwing out evidence and western concepts of logic and rationality....if that is anything like Eric regarding mechanistic ideas or what is his favourite word for describing that way of thinking.....shit i have had too much beer to remember it right now. Hahahaha!
Anyway i would rather have a good grasp of reality rather than what nonsense they were eating up and dying for back then. Good to be a civic and get a good dose of reality at a young age. Although we will most likely make our own mistakes in the future. No doubt. We are after all imperfect.

I don't know what ideals from 40s boomers you mean, but it is wise to trim expectations when goals seem too far away from achievement. Yes, the ideals which liberal boomers embrace today are expressed by such people as those at the Democratic Convention; simple goals of making our planet sustainable, respecting the rights of all and opening up our society to greater opportunity.

Boomers were not dying for their ideals, although many did die for the old goals of beating communism that were forced upon them. Others refused to participate in that death march, and led us on the road to peace instead. It's our choice which road we follow, and this election will be crucial in that decision. Meanwhile, the philosophy of Alan Watts is just one example of simple pathways to recognizing the obvious realities we need to see if we are to create a sustainable and sane world. And it can be a balanced view that retains the best from the West, and yet sees beyond the limits of the western culture that is now part and parcel of the past in what is now a global society and NOT a "western" world at all. Our heritage is now the world's heritage, and not just The West's, and we need to be open to it all. Not fall for a philosophy that thinks that if we don't stay within "Western civilization" that we are somehow corrupted and degraded. Get with it! People who think they are separate individuals, as Xers tend to do, are prey to the false philosophies like trickle-down economics and social darwinism of the kind Galen promotes and clings to.

The philosophy of Ayn Rand and Mises is thoroughly and completely irrational, and to tout that as the alternative to "boomers throwing out evidence and rationality" totally discredits his statements. The ideals of the Enlightenment were about liberating people and creating progress, not enabling the powerful as libertarian philosophy does. Libertarian and Anarchist philosophy like that of Rand and Mises distorts "Western culture" into a caricature designed to deceive us into tearing down our government and our laws and removing all protection of the weak from the strong. That is not the best heritage from western culture at all. But that is what Galen upholds with all his heart and soul.

And btw, beer is not a very healthy avenue to spiritual or personal development in my opinion; rejecting and putting down psychedelics, and knocking spiritual seeking beyond outdated western concepts, while at the same time drinking too much beer, seems rather hypocritical to me. Alcoholism is a serious disease that ruins 100 times more lives than LSD ever did, and it lowers consciousness and does not raise it. I have never drunk beer; I find it totally repulsive, and it tastes horrible. Talk about negative cultural programming! I don't share a lot of your taste in music, nor in beverages either I guess

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 02:51 PM)taramarie Wrote: Seeing as Galen and no xer so far has come forward to agree with you and Galen certainly did not disagree with me I think i am on the mark with this. I will believe their pov ONLY from their mouths tvm.

Xer cynics don't have the ability to see themselves from beyond their own perspective. Not all Xers, just the Xer cynics like Galen.

[Eric the Green]

(07-29-2016, 03:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: It is a type of drug. The very site I provided says it is a drug. No I will never take that sort of thing. I value my future too much.

I know quite a bit about that stuff; LSD is not a drug, but it IS a mind-altering substance. Yes, something to be careful about, and not do it if you don't think it's for you. However, for many people, they have a different view, because it changed their lives for the better. No use denying it at all. You can say it's not for you, and accept that it is for others. That's what I do. And it added a lot to our culture. And it did not make people stupid as Galen thinks.

Quote: As for beer...i cannot remember the last time i had a drink. Must have been months ago. I have a few drinks every few months. Moderation is wise. I always drink at home too so i am safe and others are safe. A few drinks with my mother before the weekend and it will be months i am sure next time i have a drink. Most of the time i am working and studying. My mother when she was my age was out at clubs drinking up till her friends collapsed in the grass. She got up to some stupid shit too. Personally i have never done that. I have a few drinks every few months and only at home always sharing it with my mother. Then i go to sleep. Both of us safe and sound at home. Passive compared to what that boomer did when she was my age. Boring in comparison maybe but least it is safe and as it is not often it is harmless. Now from what i have read lsd sounds quite dangerous. I would not go celebrating something like that. Even i would not go celebrating alcohol but i use it very wisely.

Glad to hear that.