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The Partisan Divide on Issues
(01-16-2021, 09:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-15-2021, 04:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The group that stormed the capitol was a mixed group of individuals who got involved for various reasons. Law enforcement is in the process of apprehending them and figuring all of that out right now. I accepted Biden was going to be the next President a long time ago. I'll never give him credit for winning fair and square. I don't believe he truly  earned it or really deserves to be the President  either. I think his election is going to turn out to be a major mistake/blunder since  it occurred at the wrong time in history. A pivotal time is not the time to elect an old man with dementia or a token VP or a bunch of arrogant morons who have been protected by a system with double standards for years. As I've said, I'm not much of a wishful thinker or one who clings to false hopes or laurels associated with bygone eras.   I don't believe what occurred with election laws in some key battle ground states was legal. If 40% equates to 70 some million Americans who ain't going to budge or concede then your in trouble when the the shit hits the fan and  it starts to really  heat up. AS I mentioned, social justice is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. I've also mentioned that the left  is playing with fire and walking on thin ice and waking a  sleeping giant.

Here's the rub.  Much of what you sense has a real basis, but the underlying "facts" are so dramatically different that your adding 1+1 and my adding the same two numbers leads to very different sums.  Is there are a real underlying "conspiracy" to advantage some at the expense of others?   Yes there is, but we see very different villains because we have very different "facts" as evidence. Your 40% is caught in an information bubble that is structured to get a desired result by the people who control it, and the cracks are beginning to show.  If there was widespread cheating, where is the evidence?  The physical ballots matched the electronic count, and the number of votes cast. Republican gained seats in the House in the very areas they claim were "stolen"?  Why would that happen?  IF stealing's the game, then steal both!

Biden may not succeed as POTUS, but Trump has been an unmitigated failure.  We'll see how that plays.  Meanwhile, you might do well to get a copy of Kurt Anderson's book Evil Geniuses, and try to square you beliefs with his well researched facts.
So, who taught you math? I went to a school that taught me one plus one equals two.  How bout you? Does one plus one equal two to you too? We aren't on the same page or reading the same book these days. Who did the votes come from? Did the name on the ballots match the voter? Do we have the resources to verify the identity of every vote that was made or do we rely on voting officials to verify the identity of the voter before voting? How many unregistered or unidentified voters voted for Trump or Biden? I'm sorry dude, the last election was a major cluster fuck that will most likely end up dividing this country forever. I think its very clear that the Democrats can no longer be trusted and its time to cut bait and leave the to fuck each other forever and move on without them. You might get four years but I doubt it. I'm done with the Democrats altogether. I could care less about what's left of the GOP establishment. As far as I'm concerned, they can remain attached to Biden and go down with Biden and the Democrats.
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(01-17-2021, 04:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I can see that you're delusional at the moment. I'll give you some time to clear your head and regain composer. I'm going to give you a chance to prove that you're not related to Adolf Hitler and any members of his tribe.

Someone is delusional.

No link to Hitler as far as I was able to tell in my genealogy time.  You can look into iButler and The Butlers of Brockton and try to develop something.  Abe Lincoln, John Adams and Pricilla Mullins of the Mayflower I can do, but not Hitler. I have links to Hingham MA, Canada and Norway, but not Germany.

I hope we are in a WEIRD crossover position.  We seem to be in a regeneracy, with a federal administration ready to solve problems again.  The crisis problems seem to be COVID, COVID’s economic fall out, systematic racism, since January 6th red violence, with an honorable mention to global warming.  Trump and the Republicans managed not to solve or even try to solve any of them.

Quite a few Republicans are yelling doom and gloom at the prospect of losing power in such a horrible fashion.  I for one don't see it.  Trump's insurrection is based on a lie.  A vaccine has been developed.  The senate is in democratic hands again.

We will see what develops.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(01-17-2021, 05:46 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-17-2021, 04:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I can see that you're delusional at the moment. I'll give you some time to clear your head and regain composer. I'm going to give you a chance to prove that you're not related to Adolf Hitler and any members of his tribe.

Someone is delusional.

No link to Hitler as far as I was able to tell in my genealogy time.  You can look into iButler and The Butlers of Brackton and try to develop something.  Abe Lincoln, John Adams and Pricilla Mullins of the Mayflower I can do, but not Hitler. I have links to Hingham MA, Canada and Norway, but not Germany.

I hope we are in a WEIRD crossover position.  We seem to be in a regeneracy, with a federal administration ready to solve problems again.  The crisis problems seem to be COVID, COVID’s economic fall out, systematic racism, since January 6th red violence, with an honorable mention to global warming.  Trump and the Republicans managed not to solve or even try to solve any of them.

Quite a few Republicans are yelling doom and gloom at the prospect of losing power in such a horrible fashion.  I for one don't see it.  Trump's insurrection is based on a lie.  A vaccine has been developed.  The senate is in democratic hands again.

We will see what develops.

From what I understand, people known to be male-line descendants of my direct paternal line have the E35-M gene in their Y-DNA. I have yet to take the test. It is relatively rare in central Europe except among... Jews! It is associated with about 1/6 of the Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish populations of Europe and North Africa. It is not exclusively Jewish, as it also appears among Berbers (northern fringe of the Sahara), and the Fulani (a people of apparent Middle-Eastern origin who found themselves on the southern fringe of the Sahara). One fellow with it is Albert Einstein. It isn't definitively Jewish. Of British origin are Lyndon Johnson and the Wright Brothers.  OK. Saint Augustine of Hippo (a Berber) apparently had E35-M Y-DNA. 

It's not all innocuous. Moammar Qaddafi had it and so did the Antichrist of the 20th century, Adolf Hitler. (There were plenty of allegations out that Hitler was of Jewish descent, and many Germans dealt with that the worst way possible, by hating Jews. OK, I fit three Jewish stereotypes, the most obvious of which is a German-sounding surname. (Supposedly it is Dutch, but I can't be certain). Well, at least I don't get accused of being a filthy Nazi! 

I expect to take one of those genetic tests one of these days, and if I do I will leave my results. The source of my E35-M gene (if that is the one that I have) might be some Jewish refugee from some persecution. Holland was a good place in which to be a Jew except between 1940 and 1945.   

Who knows, though?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-17-2021, 05:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-16-2021, 09:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-15-2021, 04:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The group that stormed the capitol was a mixed group of individuals who got involved for various reasons. Law enforcement is in the process of apprehending them and figuring all of that out right now. I accepted Biden was going to be the next President a long time ago. I'll never give him credit for winning fair and square. I don't believe he truly  earned it or really deserves to be the President  either. I think his election is going to turn out to be a major mistake/blunder since  it occurred at the wrong time in history. A pivotal time is not the time to elect an old man with dementia or a token VP or a bunch of arrogant morons who have been protected by a system with double standards for years. As I've said, I'm not much of a wishful thinker or one who clings to false hopes or laurels associated with bygone eras.   I don't believe what occurred with election laws in some key battle ground states was legal. If 40% equates to 70 some million Americans who ain't going to budge or concede then your in trouble when the the shit hits the fan and  it starts to really  heat up. AS I mentioned, social justice is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. I've also mentioned that the left  is playing with fire and walking on thin ice and waking a  sleeping giant.

Here's the rub.  Much of what you sense has a real basis, but the underlying "facts" are so dramatically different that your adding 1+1 and my adding the same two numbers leads to very different sums.  Is there are a real underlying "conspiracy" to advantage some at the expense of others?   Yes there is, but we see very different villains because we have very different "facts" as evidence. Your 40% is caught in an information bubble that is structured to get a desired result by the people who control it, and the cracks are beginning to show.  If there was widespread cheating, where is the evidence?  The physical ballots matched the electronic count, and the number of votes cast. Republican gained seats in the House in the very areas they claim were "stolen"?  Why would that happen?  IF stealing's the game, then steal both!

Biden may not succeed as POTUS, but Trump has been an unmitigated failure.  We'll see how that plays.  Meanwhile, you might do well to get a copy of Kurt Anderson's book Evil Geniuses, and try to square your beliefs with his well researched facts.

So, who taught you math? I went to a school that taught me one plus one equals two.  How bout you? Does one plus one equal two to you too? We aren't on the same page or reading the same book these days. Who did the votes come from? Did the name on the ballots match the voter? Do we have the resources to verify the identity of every vote that was made or do we rely on voting officials to verify the identity of the voter before voting? How many unregistered or unidentified voters voted for Trump or Biden? I'm sorry dude, the last election was a major cluster fuck that will most likely end up dividing this country forever. I think its very clear that the Democrats can no longer be trusted and its time to cut bait and leave the to fuck each other forever and move on without them. You might get four years but I doubt it. I'm done with the Democrats altogether. I could care less about what's left of the GOP establishment. As far as I'm concerned, they can remain attached to Biden and go down with Biden and the Democrats.

So what do you see in the Trump Party?  What's the big attraction?  What's in it for you and yours?  I'll be honest, neither of the major parties has laurel wreaths to show for their efforts, but, for my money, Trump is so much worse that he's in a universe of his own.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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While in the past I have argued that it is in the Democrat's interest to allow a defense for Trump in the second impeachment, there may be a problem. No lawyer wants to defend Trump. McConnell has delayed the trial until after Trump's time in office has ended, so none of the presidential lawyers or justice department lawyers are at his beck and call anymore. He is refusing to pay Giuliani. He already used the major firms with the bogus 'voter fraud' cases enough that they are sick of it.

He might be given lots of time, but no support.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(01-18-2021, 03:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: While in the past I have argued that it is in the Democrat's interest to allow a defense for Trump in the second impeachment, there may be a problem.  No lawyer wants to defend Trump.  McConnell has delayed the trial until after Trump's time in office has ended, so none of the presidential lawyers or justice department lawyers are at his beck and call anymore.  He is refusing to pay Giuliani.  He already used the major firms with the bogus 'voter fraud' cases enough that they are sick of it.

He might be given lots of time, but no support.

He may just testify on his own, with his patented form of double speak and silliness. Pass the popcorn.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-17-2021, 02:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-17-2021, 05:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-16-2021, 09:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-15-2021, 04:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The group that stormed the capitol was a mixed group of individuals who got involved for various reasons. Law enforcement is in the process of apprehending them and figuring all of that out right now. I accepted Biden was going to be the next President a long time ago. I'll never give him credit for winning fair and square. I don't believe he truly  earned it or really deserves to be the President  either. I think his election is going to turn out to be a major mistake/blunder since  it occurred at the wrong time in history. A pivotal time is not the time to elect an old man with dementia or a token VP or a bunch of arrogant morons who have been protected by a system with double standards for years. As I've said, I'm not much of a wishful thinker or one who clings to false hopes or laurels associated with bygone eras.   I don't believe what occurred with election laws in some key battle ground states was legal. If 40% equates to 70 some million Americans who ain't going to budge or concede then your in trouble when the the shit hits the fan and  it starts to really  heat up. AS I mentioned, social justice is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. I've also mentioned that the left  is playing with fire and walking on thin ice and waking a  sleeping giant.

Here's the rub.  Much of what you sense has a real basis, but the underlying "facts" are so dramatically different that your adding 1+1 and my adding the same two numbers leads to very different sums.  Is there are a real underlying "conspiracy" to advantage some at the expense of others?   Yes there is, but we see very different villains because we have very different "facts" as evidence. Your 40% is caught in an information bubble that is structured to get a desired result by the people who control it, and the cracks are beginning to show.  If there was widespread cheating, where is the evidence?  The physical ballots matched the electronic count, and the number of votes cast. Republican gained seats in the House in the very areas they claim were "stolen"?  Why would that happen?  IF stealing's the game, then steal both!

Biden may not succeed as POTUS, but Trump has been an unmitigated failure.  We'll see how that plays.  Meanwhile, you might do well to get a copy of Kurt Anderson's book Evil Geniuses, and try to square your beliefs with his well researched facts.

So, who taught you math? I went to a school that taught me one plus one equals two.  How bout you? Does one plus one equal two to you too? We aren't on the same page or reading the same book these days. Who did the votes come from? Did the name on the ballots match the voter? Do we have the resources to verify the identity of every vote that was made or do we rely on voting officials to verify the identity of the voter before voting? How many unregistered or unidentified voters voted for Trump or Biden? I'm sorry dude, the last election was a major cluster fuck that will most likely end up dividing this country forever. I think its very clear that the Democrats can no longer be trusted and its time to cut bait and leave the to fuck each other forever and move on without them. You might get four years but I doubt it. I'm done with the Democrats altogether. I could care less about what's left of the GOP establishment. As far as I'm concerned, they can remain attached to Biden and go down with Biden and the Democrats.

So what do you see in the Trump Party?  What's the big attraction?  What's in it for you and yours?  I'll be honest, neither of the major parties has laurel wreaths to show for their efforts, but, for my money, Trump is so much worse that he's in a universe of his own.
The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time. Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself. I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again. I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.
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(01-18-2021, 12:48 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: While in the past I have argued that it is in the Democrat's interest to allow a defense for Trump in the second impeachment, there may be a problem.  No lawyer wants to defend Trump.  McConnell has delayed the trial until after Trump's time in office has ended, so none of the presidential lawyers or justice department lawyers are at his beck and call anymore.  He is refusing to pay Giuliani.  He already used the major firms with the bogus 'voter fraud' cases enough that they are sick of it.

He might be given lots of time, but no support.

He may just testify on his own, with his patented form of double speak and silliness. Pass the popcorn.
If the government is involved, it's a government matter and he is legally entitled to a defense. So, do you want to see and hear about Democrats being killed or wounded all over the country or what? You people aren't thinking clearly and don't quite grasp the situation that you're all in right now and will be finding yourselves being drug in deeper and deeper as the months go on and the country begins turning on you every where in the country.
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(Yesterday, 04:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: If the government is involved, it's a government matter and he is legally entitled to a defense.

Apparently not. No one wants to be associated with him just now. As of last night, no one was on his defense team. He apparently can't even get people to come to his going away party. Perhaps he should call on the capitol rioters again?
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-17-2021, 02:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-17-2021, 05:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-16-2021, 09:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-15-2021, 04:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The group that stormed the capitol was a mixed group of individuals who got involved for various reasons. Law enforcement is in the process of apprehending them and figuring all of that out right now. I accepted Biden was going to be the next President a long time ago. I'll never give him credit for winning fair and square. I don't believe he truly  earned it or really deserves to be the President  either. I think his election is going to turn out to be a major mistake/blunder since  it occurred at the wrong time in history. A pivotal time is not the time to elect an old man with dementia or a token VP or a bunch of arrogant morons who have been protected by a system with double standards for years. As I've said, I'm not much of a wishful thinker or one who clings to false hopes or laurels associated with bygone eras.   I don't believe what occurred with election laws in some key battle ground states was legal. If 40% equates to 70 some million Americans who ain't going to budge or concede then your in trouble when the the shit hits the fan and  it starts to really  heat up. AS I mentioned, social justice is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. I've also mentioned that the left  is playing with fire and walking on thin ice and waking a  sleeping giant.

Here's the rub.  Much of what you sense has a real basis, but the underlying "facts" are so dramatically different that your adding 1+1 and my adding the same two numbers leads to very different sums.  Is there are a real underlying "conspiracy" to advantage some at the expense of others?   Yes there is, but we see very different villains because we have very different "facts" as evidence. Your 40% is caught in an information bubble that is structured to get a desired result by the people who control it, and the cracks are beginning to show.  If there was widespread cheating, where is the evidence?  The physical ballots matched the electronic count, and the number of votes cast. Republican gained seats in the House in the very areas they claim were "stolen"?  Why would that happen?  IF stealing's the game, then steal both!

Biden may not succeed as POTUS, but Trump has been an unmitigated failure.  We'll see how that plays.  Meanwhile, you might do well to get a copy of Kurt Anderson's book Evil Geniuses, and try to square your beliefs with his well researched facts.

So, who taught you math? I went to a school that taught me one plus one equals two.  How bout you? Does one plus one equal two to you too? We aren't on the same page or reading the same book these days. Who did the votes come from? Did the name on the ballots match the voter? Do we have the resources to verify the identity of every vote that was made or do we rely on voting officials to verify the identity of the voter before voting? How many unregistered or unidentified voters voted for Trump or Biden? I'm sorry dude, the last election was a major cluster fuck that will most likely end up dividing this country forever. I think its very clear that the Democrats can no longer be trusted and its time to cut bait and leave the to fuck each other forever and move on without them. You might get four years but I doubt it. I'm done with the Democrats altogether. I could care less about what's left of the GOP establishment. As far as I'm concerned, they can remain attached to Biden and go down with Biden and the Democrats.

So what do you see in the Trump Party?  What's the big attraction?  What's in it for you and yours?  I'll be honest, neither of the major parties has laurel wreaths to show for their efforts, but, for my money, Trump is so much worse that he's in a universe of his own.
The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time. Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself. I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the  destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same  by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again. I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.

There is no single American Way of Life, and there has not been one since English settlers appeared in Virginia and Massachusetts. There has been no single American Way of Life since the quasi-aristocrats brought slaves over to do the hard, dirty farm labor that "gentlemen" do not do and compelled those slaves to adopt models of behavior characteristic of English peasants who were not going to leave hearth and home for a dangerous New World. There has been no single American Way of Life since the British took over the Dutch colony that itself was not even majority-Dutch) in New Netherland that then includes New York City and the Hudson Valley (including New Jersey suburbs -- or Delaware, which the Swedes settled only to turn over to the Dutch before the Dutch sold out.  There has been no single American Way of Life since the Quakers of southeastern Pennsylvania invited German-speaking Mennonites and Moravian Brethren to their lands because the Quakers more trusted them than they trusted other Christians to fit Quaker norms of piety.   There has been no single American Way of Life since the new United States received lands between the Appalachians and the Mississippi, wherein French fur-dealers who often had First People's wives and mixed-race children were. There has been no single American Way of Life since Jefferson purchased New Orleans (about as multicultural a community as any). There has been no single American Way of Life since America annexed large territories from Spain, including Florida, in 1819 (Saint Augustine, Florida is the oldest European-established city in the USA), annexed Texas (which was a financial mess), and then acquired much of what is the southwestern quadrant of the United States from Mexico (all of what are now Colorado,  Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico (some of which had been connected to Texas) and most of what is now Colorado. All of this territory is now culturally more Mexican (due to immigration)  than it was when it was under Mexican rule. There has been no single American Way of Life since a huge number of Irish Catholics fled famine in Ireland. There has never been a single American Way of Life since large numbers of people immigrated to America from Southern and Eastern Europe, including a large number of non-Christians (Jews) who have had a great influence upon American mass and high culture, and Italian-Americans who brought some innovative cuisine for many Americans? And don't let me get started on Asian-Americans. 

Let me tell you what was un-American, though. The insurrection on January 6 was a grave menace to our Constitutional government, domestic tranquility, rule of law, and due process of the law. There have been plenty of ways in which to effect redress of grievances from racial inequity to child labor to economic distress to women's rights  to labor-management relations to homophobia. All of those except racial inequity (the part that included slavery) were solved through political process and generally non-violent means, with the violent actors thrown to the curb.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-17-2021, 02:38 PM)David Horn Wrote: So what do you see in the Trump Party?  What's the big attraction?  What's in it for you and yours?  I'll be honest, neither of the major parties has laurel wreaths to show for their efforts, but, for my money, Trump is so much worse that he's in a universe of his own.

The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time.

And those core American Values are what, exactly?

Classic-Xer Wrote:Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself.

Again, platitudes are not reasons. Putting a little meat on these bare bones is what I'm asking.

Classic-Xer Wrote:I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the  destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same  by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again.

I'm no fan of the Uber-class either, but why back Trump: a certified member of that group himself. There is no greater suck-up to the rich and powerful than a person like Trump who desperately wants wants into their inner circle.

Classic-Xer Wrote:I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.

What progress? We're nowhere right now.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(Yesterday, 04:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:48 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: While in the past I have argued that it is in the Democrat's interest to allow a defense for Trump in the second impeachment, there may be a problem.  No lawyer wants to defend Trump.  McConnell has delayed the trial until after Trump's time in office has ended, so none of the presidential lawyers or justice department lawyers are at his beck and call anymore.  He is refusing to pay Giuliani.  He already used the major firms with the bogus 'voter fraud' cases enough that they are sick of it.

He might be given lots of time, but no support.

He may just testify on his own, with his patented form of double speak and silliness. Pass the popcorn.

If the government is involved, it's a government matter and he is legally entitled to a defense. So, do you want to see and hear about Democrats being killed or wounded all over the country or what? You people aren't thinking clearly and don't quite grasp the situation that you're all in right now and will be finding yourselves being drug in deeper and deeper as the months go on and the country begins turning on you every where in the country.

No one will stop him from putting on a defense. Quite to the contrary.  But no lawyer is going to testify before Congress without congressional immunity, and actually telling the truth is outside the Trump bubble.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(Yesterday, 09:10 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 04:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: If the government is involved, it's a government matter and he is legally entitled to a defense.

Apparently not.  No one wants to be associated with him just now.  As of last night, no one was on his defense team.  He apparently can't even get people to come to his going away party.  Perhaps he should call on the capitol rioters again?

This is a perfect example of an overplayed hand.  Books will be written.
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(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time. Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself. I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the  destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same  by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again. I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.

The way I see it, the rural cavalier culture and the urban roundheads both contributed mightily to the US culture. It is just that come the crisis, the conservative culture winds up yielding its most abusive Agricultural Age traits. The assumption that they will come out on top this time has no basis that I can see.
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(Yesterday, 09:10 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 04:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: If the government is involved, it's a government matter and he is legally entitled to a defense.

Apparently not.  No one wants to be associated with him just now.  As of last night, no one was on his defense team.  He apparently can't even get people to come to his going away party.  Perhaps he should call on the capitol rioters again?
Well. If you make your living in politics or off politics, I guess that you have no other choice than to go along with the Democrats and they're corporate allies/sponsors at this point. If you don't, it's different. The moment Biden takes power. Trump will be a free man who is entitled to all the rights and legal protections that you and I are entitled to as US citizens. I assume that you would prefer to live out your life and die as an American citizen, or would you prefer to speed up that process and die sooner as a Biden/Harris supporter or a Democratic supporter as America begins to turn and revolt against them?
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(Yesterday, 11:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The way I see it, one party stands for core American values and beliefs and centers more on national issues while the other mainly stands for itself, whatever it presumes to be the most popular among its groups and whatever it determines is most needed for it to win or survive at a particular time. Is Trump worse than Bumbling Biden and his token VP/princess? I don't think so myself. I think Trump was better for America than both of them put together myself. I think the Left Wing media pulled off a major stunt by taking advantage of whatever trust was left in the Democratic at a vulnerable time in American history like it did leading up to Obama's election and a lot of them are going end up dead and broke because of it this time around myself. I don't care if some American someplace does whatever it takes to get rid of some oligarch who seems to think/believe he/she is more rich and powerful than the American government and the American people. Dude, I'm one of millions of customers or one of millions of hardcore Americans who could start knocking down Verizon towers or start terminating contracts pertaining to land use and destabilize and bankrupt them tomorrow. It would only take the assassination of one rich and powerful oligarch who is broadly viewed as being above the law and the  destruction of a major corporation or two broadly viewed as being the same  by America to prompt a massive withdrawal and tank NASDAQ again. I see the extension of American growth and opportunity and freedom with the Trump party. I see a controlled system based on preference, the elimination of the three mentioned and a prolonging of the death with Biden's/Cheney's party. The Trump party represents American progress and what America has been about throughout the ages since its conception. The Democrats are the clingers like the Democrats have always been throughout the history of the party.

The way I see it, the rural cavalier culture and the urban roundheads both contributed mightily to the US culture.  It is just that come the crisis, the conservative culture winds up yielding its most abusive Agricultural Age traits.  The assumption that they will come out on top this time has no basis that I can see.
Slavery has been resolved and Jim Crow has been resolved. This dispute that exists is a cultural and economic and class related dispute between American culture and the Liberal/Democratic elite for the most part over issues directly related to them and the use of their power and the issues related to urban Democratic culture which has a lot of internal problems and ain't been looking so great these days/lately. So, what are you going to do about all the racists blacks and groups of Marxist believers and the corrupt system that exists in Washington DC? How are you going to reprogram and reeducate all them and reverse the coarse and change the beliefs that you and others more or less seem to share, support and continue to advance and instill up to this point? You can't, I don't see how you can at this point. So, there's going to be a major clash and a national split that's going to result in the Democrats being left holding the bag and left to be over run by the barbarians.
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