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Gray Champion Predictions
(07-15-2020, 09:11 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: And yet, it kicked off the progressive era.  If America was great, it was then.  The great problems of the crisis have always been solved.

Sure, the turnings are going to hit unravelling again.  We will get selfish again.  Things will look bad and be bad again.  The slavery compromises are enough that the elites will be dominant again.

The Agricultural Age was bad.  Since, we could only solve a few problems per crisis.  No, we are not apt to end the cycles this time around, to solve the last crisis.  We don't know how much we will address this early in, and how much will have to wait for the next transformation.

Again, let's not be disappointed in advance.  The change is always greater than it looks like going in.

The unique problem this time is the interwoven nature of the crises.  AGW must be addressed if anything else is to succeed, but so must the social stresses trying to tear us apart.  If we're at each other throats, nothing will advance.  COVID may actually be the least problem, though the total lack o preparation for the pandemic and the economic fallout still makes the cut.  IN short, we need to remove the rot and rebuild a lot of societal structure while solving multiple crises at the same time. There's a great visual of that:



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(07-15-2020, 10:19 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-15-2020, 09:11 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: And yet, it kicked off the progressive era.  If America was great, it was then.  The great problems of the crisis have always been solved.

Sure, the turnings are going to hit unravelling again.  We will get selfish again.  Things will look bad and be bad again.  The slavery compromises are enough that the elites will be dominant again.

The Agricultural Age was bad.  Since, we could only solve a few problems per crisis.  No, we are not apt to end the cycles this time around, to solve the last crisis.  We don't know how much we will address this early in, and how much will have to wait for the next transformation.

Again, let's not be disappointed in advance.  The change is always greater than it looks like going in.

The unique problem this time is the interwoven nature of the crises.  AGW must be addressed if anything else is to succeed, but so must the social stresses trying to tear us apart.  If we're at each other throats, nothing will advance.  COVID may actually be the least problem, though the total lack o preparation for the pandemic and the economic fallout still makes the cut.  IN short, we need to remove the rot and rebuild a lot of societal structure while solving multiple crises at the same time.

COVID 19 may not be the largest problem, but it might well put the right people in charge and prove to a lot of people that you cannot ignore problems be wishing them away. It may lead other problems to be addressed that are not yet being addressed beyond campaign promises.
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(07-13-2020, 12:27 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(07-12-2020, 07:11 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-11-2020, 11:48 AM)User3451 Wrote: It doesn't matter if the VP is a woman. It shouldn't have any bearing. Just because someone is a man has nothing to do with "the patriarchy"

It should be the best candidate. 

How many qualified people were there really? Besides Warren, Biden and Sanders?

Hopefully Biden chooses Warren. If he goes with Harris we will go back to the bush/Clinton 3T

You fail to see the immense power of symbolism.  This isn't really about who can row the boat better.  It's about who can stand at the helm and inspire others to row as if their lives depend on it.

Somehow I think Susan Rice can fill the bill, just watching and listening to her to some extent.

At least she has "the stars" on her side, indicating talent.

Someone recommended that I look her up. Most people I look at fall short. Sometimes I hit the jackpot.

If course there are a few others around who could do it, but none of them are being considered for vice-president.

Love that you looked up Rice and her stars are good, definitely looking likely to be VP and President in short order.
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(07-15-2020, 11:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(07-15-2020, 10:19 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-15-2020, 09:11 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: And yet, it kicked off the progressive era.  If America was great, it was then.  The great problems of the crisis have always been solved.

Sure, the turnings are going to hit unravelling again.  We will get selfish again.  Things will look bad and be bad again.  The slavery compromises are enough that the elites will be dominant again.

The Agricultural Age was bad.  Since, we could only solve a few problems per crisis.  No, we are not apt to end the cycles this time around, to solve the last crisis.  We don't know how much we will address this early in, and how much will have to wait for the next transformation.

Again, let's not be disappointed in advance.  The change is always greater than it looks like going in.

The unique problem this time is the interwoven nature of the crises.  AGW must be addressed if anything else is to succeed, but so must the social stresses trying to tear us apart.  If we're at each other throats, nothing will advance.  COVID may actually be the least problem, though the total lack o preparation for the pandemic and the economic fallout still makes the cut.  IN short, we need to remove the rot and rebuild a lot of societal structure while solving multiple crises at the same time.

COVID 19 may not be the largest problem, but it might well put the right people in charge and prove to a lot of people that you cannot ignore problems be wishing them away.  It may lead other problems to be addressed that are not yet being addressed beyond campaign promises.

Let's hope so.  We haven't had a good run of effective leaders since Reagan, and his leadership is not to my taste to say the least.  Since then, we've wobbled around and played gotcha.  Even big things have been small: GWB's Medicare Part D and the ACA being notably lacking.  Better should be easy to achieve.
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(08-07-2020, 12:50 AM)jleagans Wrote:
(07-13-2020, 12:27 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(07-12-2020, 07:11 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-11-2020, 11:48 AM)User3451 Wrote: It doesn't matter if the VP is a woman. It shouldn't have any bearing. Just because someone is a man has nothing to do with "the patriarchy"

It should be the best candidate. 

How many qualified people were there really? Besides Warren, Biden and Sanders?

Hopefully Biden chooses Warren. If he goes with Harris we will go back to the bush/Clinton 3T

You fail to see the immense power of symbolism.  This isn't really about who can row the boat better.  It's about who can stand at the helm and inspire others to row as if their lives depend on it.

Somehow I think Susan Rice can fill the bill, just watching and listening to her to some extent.

At least she has "the stars" on her side, indicating talent.

Someone recommended that I look her up. Most people I look at fall short. Sometimes I hit the jackpot.

If course there are a few others around who could do it, but none of them are being considered for vice-president.

Love that you looked up Rice and her stars are good, definitely looking likely to be VP and President in short order.

I can't see Rice as POTUS, because I doubt she can herself.  She's talented, but she'll have to be a Trumanesque figure to turn that into policy and progress in general.  She's a wonk, not a politician.
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(08-07-2020, 11:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(08-07-2020, 12:50 AM)jleagans Wrote:
(07-13-2020, 12:27 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(07-12-2020, 07:11 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-11-2020, 11:48 AM)User3451 Wrote: It doesn't matter if the VP is a woman. It shouldn't have any bearing. Just because someone is a man has nothing to do with "the patriarchy"

It should be the best candidate. 

How many qualified people were there really? Besides Warren, Biden and Sanders?

Hopefully Biden chooses Warren. If he goes with Harris we will go back to the bush/Clinton 3T

You fail to see the immense power of symbolism.  This isn't really about who can row the boat better.  It's about who can stand at the helm and inspire others to row as if their lives depend on it.

Somehow I think Susan Rice can fill the bill, just watching and listening to her to some extent.

At least she has "the stars" on her side, indicating talent.

Someone recommended that I look her up. Most people I look at fall short. Sometimes I hit the jackpot.

If course there are a few others around who could do it, but none of them are being considered for vice-president.

Love that you looked up Rice and her stars are good, definitely looking likely to be VP and President in short order.

I can't see Rice as POTUS, because I doubt she can herself.  She's talented, but she'll have to be a Trumanesque figure to turn that into policy and progress in general.  She's a wonk, not a politician.

The "stars" say otherwise. She does a lot of stump speaking. She doesn't come across as a wonk. She has presence and bearing, and generates confidence.

Your former governor is even better. And Mitch Landrieu is the best. Assuming Biden wins in 2020, some very talented Democratic politicians will have to step up for 2024, or our 4T will likely fail, because the challenger will have a leg up in that election. The best thing Biden can do is pick the best among his choices who could step up to the role. That's Susan Rice, and the worst choice would be Kamala Harris. If the Republicans get back in in 2024, then we just reverse everything and go back to square one, and all the problems fester.

The Republicans actually have a rising star, which I saw on TV recently. Until now their best prospect was a right-wing idiot trumper from Arkansas, Tom Cotton from the cotton lands. But Utah is a state that votes Republican nationally, but sometimes Democratic locally. They had a moderate Republican politician who ran for president a while back, Jon Huntsman. Now they have Spencer Cox, their next governor. He has a 15-2 score on my system. I looked him up because he seemed to have some personal power and heft, some positive charm, and was quite articulate. That's a winning combo for a politician. So, watch for him in the future. He was not going along with the Trump line on mail-in voting, which he is in charge of in Utah, but seemed quite intelligent. Not the change agent we need, I'm sure, but when people are ready for a stable leader, the next Ike, who may not just reverse advances made by Democrats, he may be the guy. That would be better than that young Trump power couple we all know.
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Eric M
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