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Legacy of the 2010s
#41
(05-23-2019, 01:21 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 12:52 AM)taramarie Wrote: Have to say after thinking about it I agree with kinser about legalizing drugs. Once legalized it would take the power out of criminals hands, it could regulate how drugs are produced, the money would go elsewhere....not to criminals or at least not as much and less people in prison for non violent crimes. People will get hold of drugs either way, at least make it so the criminals don't profit and so there are standards put in place for how the drugs are produced and sold. Unless someone has another thought about this of course?

Let me give an example of how legalizing drugs worked in one producing country.  Its name is Turkey and at one time produced nearly all the heroin that the US consumed.  It was able to do this because no other crop paid farmers as much money as the opium poppy did and Turkey is really good at growing opium poppies.  Like Coca in Peru or Bolivia it was litterally grow this crop or not have enough money to live on.

At the time the crop was illegal, and well guess who ran the collection of the illegal crop?  The Italian Mafia which then sold it to their American Cousins.  This is well documented for anyone who wants to check it out.  They either called it the French Connection (as they used Marseilles as a hub, or the Pizza connection because the Italian-American Mafia used pizzerias as their cover businesses for this).

Well to deal with the illicit trade Turkey could go out and harass farmers and arrest people and basically spend tons of cash for no real effect...or it could try something completely radical.  It could legalize growing the poppies, and then offer the production to pharmaceutical companies. 

When Turkey legalized growing the poppies Bayer took over as the main purchaser, offering as much as the mafia did (and often more to compete with them), all completely legal and taxed, and they produced many life saving drugs with it.


Simply put prohibition has never worked, and will never work. The fact that PBR deliberately refuses to see the absolute and utter failure of this policy either indicates insanity or stupidity or both.

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As for the differences between Latin Americans and Anglo Americans it is immaterial.  I don't want ANY foreigners in the US.  I don't care where they come from.

Since being subtle hasn't worked let me try absolute bluntness.

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Totally agree with you about legalization of drugs and a fantastic example.
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#42
(05-23-2019, 01:52 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 01:21 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 12:52 AM)taramarie Wrote: Have to say after thinking about it I agree with kinser about legalizing drugs. Once legalized it would take the power out of criminals hands, it could regulate how drugs are produced, the money would go elsewhere....not to criminals or at least not as much and less people in prison for non violent crimes. People will get hold of drugs either way, at least make it so the criminals don't profit and so there are standards put in place for how the drugs are produced and sold. Unless someone has another thought about this of course?

Let me give an example of how legalizing drugs worked in one producing country.  Its name is Turkey and at one time produced nearly all the heroin that the US consumed.  It was able to do this because no other crop paid farmers as much money as the opium poppy did and Turkey is really good at growing opium poppies.  Like Coca in Peru or Bolivia it was litterally grow this crop or not have enough money to live on.

At the time the crop was illegal, and well guess who ran the collection of the illegal crop?  The Italian Mafia which then sold it to their American Cousins.  This is well documented for anyone who wants to check it out.  They either called it the French Connection (as they used Marseilles as a hub, or the Pizza connection because the Italian-American Mafia used pizzerias as their cover businesses for this).

Well to deal with the illicit trade Turkey could go out and harass farmers and arrest people and basically spend tons of cash for no real effect...or it could try something completely radical.  It could legalize growing the poppies, and then offer the production to pharmaceutical companies. 

When Turkey legalized growing the poppies Bayer took over as the main purchaser, offering as much as the mafia did (and often more to compete with them), all completely legal and taxed, and they produced many life saving drugs with it.


Simply put prohibition has never worked, and will never work. The fact that PBR deliberately refuses to see the absolute and utter failure of this policy either indicates insanity or stupidity or both.

==

As for the differences between Latin Americans and Anglo Americans it is immaterial.  I don't want ANY foreigners in the US.  I don't care where they come from.

Since being subtle hasn't worked let me try absolute bluntness.

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Totally agree with you about legalization of drugs and a fantastic example.
The same can be said about sex work as well. Don't you think it's time for us to legalize or at least decriminalize that as well for all the same reason? So far their had been very little movement on this issue although it's prohibition hasn't worked any more than it did with liquor a century ago
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#43
(05-23-2019, 08:16 AM)beechnut79 Wrote: [quote pid='43806' dateline='1558594351']
The same can be said about sex work as well. Don't you think it's time for us to legalize or at least decriminalize that as well for all the same reason? So far their had been very little movement on this issue although it's prohibition hasn't worked any more than it did with liquor a century ago

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Personally I favor the Nordic Model as to prostitution.  Where the prostituted themselves is decriminalized and offered services to leave prostitution but the pimps and johns are still subject to criminal prosecution.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/what-is-the-nordic-model/
It really is all mathematics.

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#44
(05-23-2019, 08:16 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 01:52 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 01:21 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-23-2019, 12:52 AM)taramarie Wrote: Have to say after thinking about it I agree with kinser about legalizing drugs. Once legalized it would take the power out of criminals hands, it could regulate how drugs are produced, the money would go elsewhere....not to criminals or at least not as much and less people in prison for non violent crimes. People will get hold of drugs either way, at least make it so the criminals don't profit and so there are standards put in place for how the drugs are produced and sold. Unless someone has another thought about this of course?

Let me give an example of how legalizing drugs worked in one producing country.  Its name is Turkey and at one time produced nearly all the heroin that the US consumed.  It was able to do this because no other crop paid farmers as much money as the opium poppy did and Turkey is really good at growing opium poppies.  Like Coca in Peru or Bolivia it was litterally grow this crop or not have enough money to live on.

At the time the crop was illegal, and well guess who ran the collection of the illegal crop?  The Italian Mafia which then sold it to their American Cousins.  This is well documented for anyone who wants to check it out.  They either called it the French Connection (as they used Marseilles as a hub, or the Pizza connection because the Italian-American Mafia used pizzerias as their cover businesses for this).

Well to deal with the illicit trade Turkey could go out and harass farmers and arrest people and basically spend tons of cash for no real effect...or it could try something completely radical.  It could legalize growing the poppies, and then offer the production to pharmaceutical companies. 

When Turkey legalized growing the poppies Bayer took over as the main purchaser, offering as much as the mafia did (and often more to compete with them), all completely legal and taxed, and they produced many life saving drugs with it.


Simply put prohibition has never worked, and will never work. The fact that PBR deliberately refuses to see the absolute and utter failure of this policy either indicates insanity or stupidity or both.

==

As for the differences between Latin Americans and Anglo Americans it is immaterial.  I don't want ANY foreigners in the US.  I don't care where they come from.

Since being subtle hasn't worked let me try absolute bluntness.

[Image: il_570xN.1007169627_800t.jpg]

Totally agree with you about legalization of drugs and a fantastic example.
The same can be said about sex work as well. Don't you think it's time for us to legalize or at least decriminalize that as well for all the same reason? So far their had been very little movement on this issue although it's prohibition hasn't worked any more than it did with liquor a century ago
You mean prostitution? That has been made legal in my country for a few years now.
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#45
(05-21-2019, 02:17 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 11:44 PM)taramarie Wrote:



This is very suitable here in this forum and paints views with EVERYONE here hence we can never see eye to eye. It paints kinsers view UNLESS he can provide proof behind his prophecy of course, otherwise it reminds me of Eric. I will wait and see. I hope he is far more grounded.

Good one. There is absolute truth, at the least with mathematical and physical laws and the all-powerful dialectic.

You lost me at dialectic... I have no problems w/ 4th Turning, but why do I have to believe in dialectics?
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#46
The dialectic is the means by which we synthesize understanding of reality -- if we are good at it.
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#47
The 2010s will go down in history as a restatement of the 1920s.

Which stands to reason: Both were "3-decades" - in that 1+9+2+0=3, and 2+0+1+0 also equals 3.

Both decades played host to hideously widening income and wealth inequality, along with finger-wagging elders constantly kvetching about youth whose hedonism was not tempered with so much as a hint of idealism.
"It was better with them that were slain by the sword, than with them that died with hunger, for these pined away being consumed for want of the fruits of the earth" - Lamentations 4:9
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#48
(01-15-2020, 01:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: The 2010s will go down in history as a restatement of the 1920s.

Which stands to reason: Both were "3-decades" - in that 1+9+2+0=3, and 2+0+1+0 also equals 3.

Both decades played host to hideously widening income and wealth inequality, along with finger-wagging elders constantly kvetching about youth whose hedonism was not tempered with so much as a hint of idealism.

Let's see; 1+8+4+0 is 3, modulo 10... 

We had a big economic meltdown beginning in 2007 (maybe earlier if one counts the mass foreclosures in real estate) culminating in the Crash of 2008 that reversed in 2009... if anything, the Double-Zero Decade is the analogue to the Roaring Twenties. The problem is that the 2010's have brought to America the economic inequality characteristic of a feudal order or a fascist regime. Our economic order is fascist, and it has only three objectives that I can easily fit into the acronym PIG -- (elite) Power, Indulgence, and Gain at the expense of all else. What passes as the job market is a grim contest to determine who can accept and endorse the nastiest in their lives on behalf of rapacious overlords who increasingly look like the first people to be executed in the wake of a revolution. 

Let us not fault X and Millennial adults. Those are the ones who endure American capitalism at its worst, and they could never understand or assimilate the  aetherial anti-materialsm of Idealist generations at their best because they were not raised for such. Boomers? Most Boomers are innocent of the worst deeds of the elites because they never had a chance. A Boomer truck driver, barber, or nurse typically did nothing to shape the culture of untrammeled greed among people in a position to monopolize the economy and squeeze small business. People who have had to do real work have been shut out from advancement in bureaucratic corporations since the time when Boomers were young workers. Boomer economic elites have been horrible.

We had a Crisis event to initiate a Crisis, and we found ourselves in an even worse Degeneracy.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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