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Rise Of Tribalism, Racism & Bigotry Most Associated With Which Turning & Why?
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(05-11-2019, 07:46 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: PBR as ever you're wrong, totally wrong.  Nigger is a valid word and is as usable as any other word.  In fact I tend to use it precisely for its shock value to white liberals.  Non-Liberal whites might be offended by the word, but are not shocked by it.  As to the President of Howard University...is he a nigger?  I don't know.  He certainly speaks the queen's English, and apparently holds down a job.  That in and of itself should separate him from niggers and make him simply a black person.

It is still an insult. I am about half English and Welsh and about half German and Swiss with other components in traces. I do not call people "limeys" or "krauts", either of which would be offensive. I can assure you that in some Klavern, a word that you would take offense at hearing directed at you is used a lot. It is used against all blacks. If the KKK fascists in that Klavern ever met Clarence Thomas and did not know who he is, then I can predict the word that they would hurl at him.

Remember -- the biggest fear of a white racist of a certain type is race-mixing, especially the sort that culminates in a black baby emerging from the vagina of a white woman. The black bourgeoisie is most likely to commit that equivalent of Rassenschande

Quote:Also your views on the black bourgeoisie are wrong.  In a truly racist order--which the US is not--there wouldn't be a black bourgeoisie at all.  Strangely it seems that most of the policies espoused by the Democratic Party in particular are designed to destroy the black bourgeoisie which is the vanguard of Black Advancement.  Strangely this is the same party that ran the Jim Crow South, and nearly every confederate was a Democrat too--I say nearly because I'm sure there were a few lingering Whigs.

Did I compare contemporary America to Nazi Germany, to Apartheid-era South Africa, or even to the segregationist South of the past? Yes, black people have problems of social acceptance in some circles... but who would not have a problem in some circles? Much progress has been made in desegregating schools, public accommodations, and even real estate. Yes, there remains some racial profiling, and it is wise that blacks who go shopping dress up so that they will not be confused with shoplifters. If one is a black or Hispanic woman in an upper-middle-class neighborhood one wisely dresses in such a way that leaves no confusion that she is a maid.

But that is small stuff in contrast to what blacks used to experience. Discrimination is far less a problem than is inadequate education. Black people who put the same value on formal education as the stereotypical "Tiger Mom" will have kids who can compete with the kids of the stereotypical "Tiger Mom". Of course the kids miss out on television and video games. Aw, too bad! 

Quote:If anything the election of Trump and the repudiation of the identity politics of the Democratic Party not only leads us to the prevention of a Hitler-like figure from arising but should one arise, it would arise from the Left anyway.  Which is hardly a surprise when one stops to consider that Nazi is an abbreviation of National Socialist in the German. 


Uh... no. The Democratic Party has constituency groups that include people that identity politics burns. The Republican Party now has the people who would impose a high-tech version of feudalism if they could get away with it. If you want to know what people are now most attracted to identity politics -- it is poor, undereducated white people who somehow believe that their whiteness entitles them to privilege. As for Nazis being 'socialists' -- there really were some Nazis who wanted the Nazi Party go go socialist, like Otto Roehm and Anton Strasser, both murdered during the Night of the Long Knives for insisting on the "socialist" part of National Socialism -- massive nationalization of Big Business. Nazism well served the existing cartels and trusts that then dominated the German economy and gave German workers the lowest industrial wages in Europe.

Calling attention to the "Socialist" part of the self-description of the Nazi Party is like accepting as truth the self description of North Korea as the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". North Korea is Korean as opposed to something else, but otherwise it is in no way democratic, it grossly misrepresents the interests of any part of the Korean People except for the communist party, and it is not even a republic but instead an absolute monarchy.


Quote:As I've pointed out the main difference between Marxian Socialism and National Socialism is the direction of nationalism vs internationalism.  Both are murderous ideologies that must be opposed by any liberty loving person--and any True American in particular.


I assure you that many American commies consider themselves as truly American as Kluxers mostly consider themselves truly American. Heck, serial killer Ted Bundy and mass-murderer Timothy McVeigh were undeniably American. As far as that goes, an F5 tornado that sweeps through the American Midwest is American too. Yes, i associate Communism with a horrendous loss of personal freedom, the elimination of meaningful justice, and a high body count. I see "democratic centralism" as the cornerstone of the lack of democracy in all previous and existing Commie regimes -- the leadership makes the decisions and nobody can ever seek to reverse such a decision.

This said, Karl Marx got something very right, and it has yet to be disproved: that the working man has nothing to sell but his labor, and his labor is no longer desired, then he is completely expendable.

Quote:I hope you live to see that you're on the wrong side of history as the Left loves to say.

That is more likely what will happen to you, and not because you are black, gay, or a capitalist.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#42
Words only have power if you give them power to control you. Just a thought. Intent could and I do say COULD be negative, but as I have said words only have power if you give them such. Thoughts on that?
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(05-13-2019, 12:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(05-13-2019, 07:20 AM)taramarie Wrote: You don't know it either matey. It is not about suppressing yourself for one thing. That will only create a toxic inner core which will come out in other not so healthy ways.

Never saw him say this. Great story!

Wrong. Go check out tantra.

We agree on this one. I personally rather not be deliberately nasty, but I am human and not perfect. But it is also good to not suppress yourself either and work on it in healthier ways.  Rolleyes  However that said, anyone can interpret any of your own actions in any way they want. You are a fine example of this. Also my partners mother for that matter. You cannot control how others interpret what you say or do. Some people have a lens on the world where they see only what is already within themselves, and be damned if the other person involved never meant it in the way it was interpreted by the less than healthy recipient of the discussion. Here is a relevant video on the subject.



To be honest, she didn't do a very good job convincing that he really did something bad so my perception of him remained the same.
I did wonder also about that too, but I do think she makes a marvellous point.
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(05-13-2019, 07:20 AM)taramarie Wrote: You don't know it either matey. It is not about suppressing yourself for one thing. That will only create a toxic inner core which will come out in other not so healthy ways.

Never saw him say this. Great story!

Wrong. Go check out tantra.

We agree on this one. I personally rather not be deliberately nasty, but I am human and not perfect. But it is also good to not suppress yourself either and work on it in healthier ways.  Rolleyes  However that said, anyone can interpret any of your own actions in any way they want. You are a fine example of this. Also my partners mother for that matter. You cannot control how others interpret what you say or do. Some people have a lens on the world where they see only what is already within themselves, and be damned if the other person involved never meant it in the way it was interpreted by the less than healthy recipient of the discussion. Here is a relevant video on the subject.




I saw the video, and after I saw the life-coach giving some bland advice on success -- with the host then 'exposing' him as a violent person I saw the fellow again, and I looked for some traits of a sociopath, the person who seems too good to be true and then proves rotten under the surface. I saw charm... and sociopaths usually charm people quickly (they have short time spans in which to do harm) so that they can swindle, cheat, or abuse their victims -- people that they can get to let down their guard. I have two second cousins who are sociopaths -- and they are charmers. One of them makes deals with public officials -- in strip clubs. Another became an accountant and worked for a hospital -- and drained company assets as an embezzler.

I think of what I would have done had I been in the accountant's place. He was making good money off his salary alone. Surely he got much help from his grandparents and  might have been able to send them off on a second honeymoon -- somewhere in Europe. To be sure, his wife was something of a problem; her house was a regular stop for UPS to drop off stuff that she bought on a shopping channel. I can imagine wining and dining people on an expense account, but not in strip clubs.

I hope that those two fellows do not read what I have written.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#45
Back to topic: I'd say the ideas behind it crop up in 2Ts, but they really spread throughout the population in 3Ts.
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(05-14-2019, 02:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(05-11-2019, 07:46 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: PBR as ever you're wrong, totally wrong.  Nigger is a valid word and is as usable as any other word.  In fact I tend to use it precisely for its shock value to white liberals.  Non-Liberal whites might be offended by the word, but are not shocked by it.  As to the President of Howard University...is he a nigger?  I don't know.  He certainly speaks the queen's English, and apparently holds down a job.  That in and of itself should separate him from niggers and make him simply a black person.

It is still an insult. I am about half English and Welsh and about half German and Swiss with other components in traces. I do not call people "limeys" or "krauts", either of which would be offensive. I can assure you that in some Klavern, a word that you would take offense at hearing directed at you is used a lot. It is used against all blacks. If the KKK fascists in that Klavern ever met Clarence Thomas and did not know who he is, then I can predict the word that they would hurl at him.

Remember -- the biggest fear of a white racist of a certain type is race-mixing, especially the sort that culminates in a black baby emerging from the vagina of a white woman. The black bourgeoisie is most likely to commit that equivalent of Rassenschande

Quote:Also your views on the black bourgeoisie are wrong.  In a truly racist order--which the US is not--there wouldn't be a black bourgeoisie at all.  Strangely it seems that most of the policies espoused by the Democratic Party in particular are designed to destroy the black bourgeoisie which is the vanguard of Black Advancement.  Strangely this is the same party that ran the Jim Crow South, and nearly every confederate was a Democrat too--I say nearly because I'm sure there were a few lingering Whigs.

Did I compare contemporary America to Nazi Germany, to Apartheid-era South Africa, or even to the segregationist South of the past? Yes, black people have problems of social acceptance in some circles... but who would not have a problem in some circles? Much progress has been made in desegregating schools, public accommodations, and even real estate. Yes, there remains some racial profiling, and it is wise that blacks who go shopping dress up so that they will not be confused with shoplifters. If one is a black or Hispanic woman in an upper-middle-class neighborhood one wisely dresses in such a way that leaves no confusion that she is a maid.

But that is small stuff in contrast to what blacks used to experience. Discrimination is far less a problem than is inadequate education. Black people who put the same value on formal education as the stereotypical "Tiger Mom" will have kids who can compete with the kids of the stereotypical "Tiger Mom". Of course the kids miss out on television and video games. Aw, too bad! 

Quote:If anything the election of Trump and the repudiation of the identity politics of the Democratic Party not only leads us to the prevention of a Hitler-like figure from arising but should one arise, it would arise from the Left anyway.  Which is hardly a surprise when one stops to consider that Nazi is an abbreviation of National Socialist in the German. 


Uh... no. The Democratic Party has constituency groups that include people that identity politics burns. The Republican Party now has the people who would impose a high-tech version of feudalism if they could get away with it. If you want to know what people are now most attracted to identity politics -- it is poor, undereducated white people who somehow believe that their whiteness entitles them to privilege. As for Nazis being 'socialists' -- there really were some Nazis who wanted the Nazi Party go go socialist, like Otto Roehm and Anton Strasser, both murdered during the Night of the Long Knives for insisting on the "socialist" part of National Socialism -- massive nationalization of Big Business. Nazism well served the existing cartels and trusts that then dominated the German economy and gave German workers the lowest industrial wages in Europe.

Calling attention to the "Socialist" part of the self-description of the Nazi Party is like accepting as truth the self description of North Korea as the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". North Korea is Korean as opposed to something else, but otherwise it is in no way democratic, it grossly misrepresents the interests of any part of the Korean People except for the communist party, and it is not even a republic but instead an absolute monarchy.


Quote:As I've pointed out the main difference between Marxian Socialism and National Socialism is the direction of nationalism vs internationalism.  Both are murderous ideologies that must be opposed by any liberty loving person--and any True American in particular.


I assure you that many American commies consider themselves as truly American as Kluxers mostly consider themselves truly American. Heck, serial killer Ted Bundy and mass-murderer Timothy McVeigh were undeniably American.  As far as that goes, an F5 tornado that sweeps through the American Midwest is American too. Yes, i associate Communism with a horrendous loss of personal freedom, the elimination of meaningful justice, and a high body count. I see "democratic centralism" as the cornerstone of the lack of democracy in all previous and existing Commie regimes -- the leadership makes the decisions and nobody can ever seek to reverse such a decision.

This said, Karl Marx got something very right, and it has yet to be disproved: that the working man has nothing to sell but his labor, and his labor is no longer desired, then he is completely expendable.

Quote:I hope you live to see that you're on the wrong side of history as the Left loves to say.

That is more likely what will happen to you, and not because you are black, gay, or a capitalist.

PBR...if I didn't already know you were clueless this post certainly proved it.
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