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Lets make fun of Obama while he is still relevant.
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

I've definitely seen my 8 year old acting that way toward my 4 year old - just to put things in perspective.
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(01-25-2017, 11:20 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

I've definitely seen my 8 year old acting that way toward my 4 year old - just to put things in perspective.

I don't see it as that much age dependent.  An extreme partisan will be able to convince himself that anything that matches his world view is fine and smooth and dandy, while anything that conflicts will be frustrating and trigger highly emotional rejection.  From where I'm sitting, watching lots of folks sitting in their little self enclosed alternate realities, unable to perceive anything outside their bubbles, is anything but entertaining.  It's tragic and dangerous.
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(01-23-2017, 04:15 PM)Galen Wrote: I think this sums up what is happening to Obozo's legacy.

Assume the honor will be returned in due time.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(01-25-2017, 12:56 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-23-2017, 04:15 PM)Galen Wrote: I think this sums up what is happening to Obozo's legacy.

Assume the honor will be returned in due time.

I suspect that Trump will get quite a few things through Congress which will be rather more lasting than executive orders.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.
#MakeTheDemocratsGreatAgain
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(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

The current incarnation of liberalism is a joke and a bad one at that.  Like the founders I am not a fan of unlimited democracy but rather a democratic republic with very limited powers delegated to the government.  The democrats tried to give us Hillary, possibly one of the most corrupt people in politics, or Bernie who calls himself a socialist but thought communism was a really neat idea back in the day.  I have less problems with Trump than with what passes for liberalism these days.

All I would have gotten is more of the same thing as sixteen years.  At that point I may as well support Trump.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

"Liberal Democracy", as in the UK Liberal Democrat  party, is a fusion of two largely incompatible platforms for political convenience.  The two platforms came from the former "Liberal" party, which was essentially what we call libertarian in the US, and the former Social Democrat party, which was a socialist party with an economic platform incompatible with and opposed to liberalism in the broad sense.

Supposed "liberals" - in the narrow US sense - espouse the socialism without the liberalism. There's every reason for actual libertarians to be happy with their defeat.
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(01-26-2017, 03:09 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

The current incarnation of liberalism is a joke and a bad one at that.  Like the founders I am not a fan of unlimited democracy but rather a democratic republic with very limited powers delegated to the government.  The democrats tried to give us Hillary, possibly one of the most corrupt people in politics, or Bernie who calls himself a socialist but thought communism was a really neat idea back in the day.  I have less problems with Trump than with what passes for liberalism these days.

All I would have gotten is more of the same thing as sixteen years.  At that point I may as well support Trump.

Most of the stuff about Clinton is complete and utter bullshit, and Sanders is in his actual policy views (as opposed to his rhetoric) a standard social democrat, neither of them are outside the bounds of Liberal Democracy. Clinton would be considered moderately conservative in other Western countries, akin to Angela Merkel.

In my experience the vast majority of "Libertarians" are authoritarian Social Darwinists, and you are showing that clearly by seeing a Fascist demagogue as a "lesser evil".
#MakeTheDemocratsGreatAgain
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(01-26-2017, 05:40 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 03:34 AM)Galen Wrote: I must admit that watching the libtards go insane is a very nice bonus.  At the very least it will be a very entertaining four to eight years depending on how events unfold.

This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

"Liberal Democracy", as in the UK Liberal Democrat  party, is a fusion of two largely incompatible platforms for political convenience.  The two platforms came from the former "Liberal" party, which was essentially what we call libertarian in the US, and the former Social Democrat party, which was a socialist party with an economic platform incompatible with and opposed to liberalism in the broad sense.

Supposed "liberals" - in the narrow US sense - espouse the socialism without the liberalism. There's every reason for actual libertarians to be happy with their defeat.

You are showing your ignorance here. Liberal democracy has nothing to do with any particular political party.

And calling American Liberalism "socialism" is a complete lie, no, wait, your side would prefer the term "alternative fact". Rolleyes
#MakeTheDemocratsGreatAgain
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(01-26-2017, 07:50 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-26-2017, 05:40 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 08:08 AM)Odin Wrote: This is the attitude of a 12yo, not a grown adult.

Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

"Liberal Democracy", as in the UK Liberal Democrat  party, is a fusion of two largely incompatible platforms for political convenience.  The two platforms came from the former "Liberal" party, which was essentially what we call libertarian in the US, and the former Social Democrat party, which was a socialist party with an economic platform incompatible with and opposed to liberalism in the broad sense.

Supposed "liberals" - in the narrow US sense - espouse the socialism without the liberalism. There's every reason for actual libertarians to be happy with their defeat.

You are showing your ignorance here. Liberal democracy has nothing to do with any particular political party.

Capitalization matters.  If you say "Liberal Democracy", it implies association with the proper noun.  You should have used "liberal democracy" if that was what you meant.  Same with "Libertarian" and "libertarian", "Republican" and "republican", etc.
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(01-25-2017, 04:31 PM)Galen Wrote: I suspect that Trump will get quite a few things through Congress which will be rather more lasting than executive orders.

The SCOTUS nomination will be the first real test.  BHO faced unrelenting opposition.  Trump may as well, if he's dumb enough to nominate a hard-right judge.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-26-2017, 10:08 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-26-2017, 07:50 AM)Odin Wrote:
(01-26-2017, 05:40 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 05:15 PM)Odin Wrote:
(01-25-2017, 04:30 PM)Galen Wrote: Not really, because I consider that to be a worst case scenario which you should have picked up from the language I used.  I really do consider unwinding Obozo's idiocy, you probably think of it as a legacy, to be a very worthwhile goal.

If you were really a Libertarian, as opposed to merely an edgy contrarian who likes "sticking it to the libtards", you would be siding with us to defend Liberalism (in the broad sense) and Liberal Democracy against Trump and the Alt-Right.

"Liberal Democracy", as in the UK Liberal Democrat  party, is a fusion of two largely incompatible platforms for political convenience.  The two platforms came from the former "Liberal" party, which was essentially what we call libertarian in the US, and the former Social Democrat party, which was a socialist party with an economic platform incompatible with and opposed to liberalism in the broad sense.

Supposed "liberals" - in the narrow US sense - espouse the socialism without the liberalism. There's every reason for actual libertarians to be happy with their defeat.

You are showing your ignorance here. Liberal democracy has nothing to do with any particular political party.

Capitalization matters.  If you say "Liberal Democracy", it implies association with the proper noun.  You should have used "liberal democracy" if that was what you meant.  Same with "Libertarian" and "libertarian", "Republican" and "republican", etc.

-- exactly. I am a democrat, but not a Dem, who keep getting more & more un-democratic as the years go by.  Angry

that's why l like Bernie. He's a democrat (dispite the l behind his last name) an old school Dem, he reminds me of the Dem pols from when l was growing up in the 60s & 70s
Heart  Bernie/Tulsi 2020    Heart
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I think referring to the old UK Liberal Party as "libertarian" in the American sense might be a bit of a stretch, at least without clarifying when you were talking about.  The Liberal Party started moving from Manchester style classic liberalism as early as the 1890s (Basically during the Great Power 2T).
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(01-26-2017, 12:55 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: I think referring to the old UK Liberal Party as "libertarian" in the American sense might be a bit of a stretch, at least without clarifying when you were talking about.  The Liberal Party started moving from Manchester style classic liberalism as early as the 1890s (Basically during the Great Power 2T).

I was actually thinking specifically about Nick Clegg, who was very much from the liberal/libertarian wing of the Liberal Democrats.  While he was very much the junior partner in the coalition with the Conservatives, he was able to move some of their policies a little toward the libertarian end of the spectrum.

For example, the Conservatives' natural inclination was to impose austerity - higher taxes, lower spending - Clegg was able to get them to use supply side policies - lower taxes, lower spending.  While a fully libertarian government would have cut taxes by 90% instead of by 10%, even a 10% cut was sufficient to ensure that the UK markedly outperformed the rest of the EU during his term.

Of course, the social democrat wing of the party hated the Conservatives and the coalition government, so Clegg didn't outlast the coalition.
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