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(11-28-2019, 10:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
Yep. We have enough AR-15's and other similar weapons, other semi automatic weapons of all kinds (pistols, rifles and shotguns), high powered rifles and ammunition that are exclusively made for killing large wild animals and so forth available to us right now to start out with and this doesn't include the amount of real weapons of war that we be removing from the bodies of blue soldiers and liberal law enforcement officials or the ones so the called traitors will decide to take with them when they decide to join us/ the American cause. Just so you know, you and every other blue fool is going to be in for one hell of a war which will be fought where you live street by street, house by house and that's if your lucky enough to live in a blue area that is viewed as needed for the support of the American war effort.
Oh, we also have enough soldiers in and out of uniform and enough police and a large enough population of American people with all kinds of knowledge and professional skills who will completely support the American war effort and an American system that's far more advanced than the primitive age old system that you seem to prefer that basically imploded before your very own eyes about thirty years ago. Unfortunately, you don't have the benefit of surprise on your side because the other half the country see's it, knows it and understands what the liberal side is still all about these days.
I think there will be plenty of soldiers and police who support democracy and the constitution to crush your rebellion against a duly-elected quasi-socialist government of some sort.
The ownership of guns and semi-automatic guns is being more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer citizen hands. One wonders just how big this army of yours is going to be.
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(11-29-2019, 01:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (11-28-2019, 02:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 05:25 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The second amendment was not instituted to allow citizens to take up arms against the federal government. That is treason, and that is specifically mentioned in the constitution. From what I have learned, the amendment was instituted because the nation had no army and was dependent to defend itself on a militia composed of well-trained citizens who supplied their own arms. These militias were used to put down revolutions and riots by those who considered the government oppressive, such as the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794, and likely was passed so that southern slaveowners could put down a feared slave revolt.
I know a commie or quasi socialist of some sort would/could view it/feel that way if they were to ever succeed with their goal of taking over or destroying the power of the American government.
If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
I think we would more likely vote to divide as a country at that point. We have the right to do that too. What's the point of going to war to keep some cities and keep a bunch of people that we aren't all that interested in financially supporting and keeping at this point? Oh, you can call us sore losers, racists, fascists or whatever else as we are voting to do it and you can call us stupid, racist and whatever else as our President our troops begin to erect and secure our national borders and you can cheer as American run bulldozers are removing the portion of the American border that liberal fools like you had in place to protect you as well. As you already know, Americans don't care and Americans don't stop or get in the way it's government doing what its supposed to do that upsets liberals these day.
You'll need to vote state by state to secede, and I don't know how a blue government would take that "illegal" act. But if you did, as you know, it would likely be OK with me; unlike the blues of Lincoln's time. My only concern is that much of the natural beauty of America is located in now-red states that might secede, and that would mean the likely destruction of these beautiful wild scenic places. But a civil war to protect some national parks and forests and such might not be worth the cost.
I don't know how many states would secede, but Minnesota is not likely to be one of them, so to live in your red right-wing utopia you'd have to move to some place like Wyoming or Oklahoma or Alabama.
And as I said, your closed-off society would be at a disadvantage, because the remaining states would have more immigrants that add to our economic productivity. And since our approach to government that provides help to those who need it works better than your stingy approach which concentrates wealth into a few hands, your red-state republic would quickly fall behind our rump USA, and you'd be asking to rejoin the union soon, with your tails between your rumps and your sorry legs.
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12-02-2019, 08:22 PM
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(11-29-2019, 01:41 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (11-28-2019, 02:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 05:25 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The second amendment was not instituted to allow citizens to take up arms against the federal government. That is treason, and that is specifically mentioned in the constitution. From what I have learned, the amendment was instituted because the nation had no army and was dependent to defend itself on a militia composed of well-trained citizens who supplied their own arms. These militias were used to put down revolutions and riots by those who considered the government oppressive, such as the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794, and likely was passed so that southern slaveowners could put down a feared slave revolt.
I know a commie or quasi socialist of some sort would/could view it/feel that way if they were to ever succeed with their goal of taking over or destroying the power of the American government.
If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
I think we would more likely vote to divide as a country at that point. We have the right to do that too. What's the point of going to war to keep some cities and keep a bunch of people that we aren't all that interested in financially supporting and keeping at this point? Oh, you can call us sore losers, racists, fascists or whatever else as we are voting to do it and you can call us stupid, racist and whatever else as our President our troops begin to erect and secure our national borders and you can cheer as American run bulldozers are removing the portion of the American border that liberal fools like you had in place to protect you as well. As you already know, Americans don't care and Americans don't stop or get in the way it's government doing what its supposed to do that upsets liberals these day.
Another characteristic of your red state utopia would be the likely abolition of higher education, because it's a breeding ground for socialist and atheist opinions like permission for women to have abortions. These loonies would be the majority of voters in your red utopia.
In September, Tennessee State Senator Kerry Roberts (R-Springfield) declared that he wanted to eliminate higher education (presumably only for women, because abortion) which would save America. His excuse: he was on talk radio. He (still) hasn’t apologized.
https://www.wjhl.com/news/regional/tenne...ng-ground/
How do you think your seceded state would do economically if it had no universities?
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(12-02-2019, 07:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (11-28-2019, 10:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
Yep. We have enough AR-15's and other similar weapons, other semi automatic weapons of all kinds (pistols, rifles and shotguns), high powered rifles and ammunition that are exclusively made for killing large wild animals and so forth available to us right now to start out with and this doesn't include the amount of real weapons of war that we be removing from the bodies of blue soldiers and liberal law enforcement officials or the ones so the called traitors will decide to take with them when they decide to join us/ the American cause. Just so you know, you and every other blue fool is going to be in for one hell of a war which will be fought where you live street by street, house by house and that's if your lucky enough to live in a blue area that is viewed as needed for the support of the American war effort.
Oh, we also have enough soldiers in and out of uniform and enough police and a large enough population of American people with all kinds of knowledge and professional skills who will completely support the American war effort and an American system that's far more advanced than the primitive age old system that you seem to prefer that basically imploded before your very own eyes about thirty years ago. Unfortunately, you don't have the benefit of surprise on your side because the other half the country see's it, knows it and understands what the liberal side is still all about these days.
I think there will be plenty of soldiers and police who support democracy and the constitution to crush your rebellion against a duly-elected quasi-socialist government of some sort.
The ownership of guns and semi-automatic guns is being more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer citizen hands. One wonders just how big this army of yours is going to be.
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(12-04-2019, 12:26 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (12-02-2019, 07:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (11-28-2019, 10:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
Yep. We have enough AR-15's and other similar weapons, other semi automatic weapons of all kinds (pistols, rifles and shotguns), high powered rifles and ammunition that are exclusively made for killing large wild animals and so forth available to us right now to start out with and this doesn't include the amount of real weapons of war that we be removing from the bodies of blue soldiers and liberal law enforcement officials or the ones so the called traitors will decide to take with them when they decide to join us/ the American cause. Just so you know, you and every other blue fool is going to be in for one hell of a war which will be fought where you live street by street, house by house and that's if your lucky enough to live in a blue area that is viewed as needed for the support of the American war effort.
Oh, we also have enough soldiers in and out of uniform and enough police and a large enough population of American people with all kinds of knowledge and professional skills who will completely support the American war effort and an American system that's far more advanced than the primitive age old system that you seem to prefer that basically imploded before your very own eyes about thirty years ago. Unfortunately, you don't have the benefit of surprise on your side because the other half the country see's it, knows it and understands what the liberal side is still all about these days.
I think there will be plenty of soldiers and police who support democracy and the constitution to crush your rebellion against a duly-elected quasi-socialist government of some sort.
The ownership of guns and semi-automatic guns is being more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer citizen hands. One wonders just how big this army of yours is going to be.
United States Army. Mess with it and your life will be either short or miserable. Despite its power it does not go around spoiling for a fight.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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Morning Consult/Politico, Dec. 19-20, 1387 RV (prior poll Dec. 14-15)
This poll was conducted entirely after the House impeachment vote.
Approve 41 (nc)
Disapprove 56 (+1)
Strongly approve 27 (+3)
Strongly disapprove 46 (+2)
Do you approve or disapprove of the House of Representatives impeaching President Trump? (Previous wording: would you approve of...)
Approve 52 (+2)
Disapprove 43 (nc)
And would you approve or disapprove of the Senate removing President Trump from office?
Approve 51 (+1)
Disapprove 42 (-1)
So much for a sympathy bump for the President.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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I wonder how many Republicans would turn back time and impeach (and remove) Donald Trump for blackmailing the President of Ukraine now. Mike Pence would be President, be less erratic but more reactionary. and have been in a better position in which to get elected to a full term as President.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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