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Did Boomer Individualism Help or Hurt America
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(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 06:59 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: It created a very colourful saeculum. Music from our cycle especially from the 1980s will probably be played for centuries. Same for movies and fashion. I can't imagine the boys of 2200 not knowing Rocky.

When it comes to politics, I prefer the Missionaries.

We Boomers have more in common with the Transcendentals, and that make us a bit scary.  I agree, the Missionaries were a better version of Prophet.

Boomer politics is simply demented doom, their orientations are varied but all agree in rejecting rationality and civilization. The evangelicals chose theocratic mysticism, while the hippies chose Earth-worship and the "neoliberals" chose magic of the market.
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(11-13-2019, 09:11 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 06:59 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: It created a very colourful saeculum. Music from our cycle especially from the 1980s will probably be played for centuries. Same for movies and fashion. I can't imagine the boys of 2200 not knowing Rocky.

When it comes to politics, I prefer the Missionaries.

We Boomers have more in common with the Transcendentals, and that make us a bit scary.  I agree, the Missionaries were a better version of Prophet.

Boomer politics is simply demented doom, their orientations are varied but all agree in rejecting rationality and civilization. The evangelicals chose theocratic mysticism, while the hippies chose Earth-worship and the "neoliberals" chose magic of the market.

That's not demented doom. Civilization and rationality are not rejected. Rationality as the prior religion as reason uber alles is rejected. We need all our faculties, not just one which has limited application. Thinking and words are too limited and clumsy to base all our actions on. We need greater awareness. We are all distorted and confined by the uncontrolled activity of mind chatter, and need to learn to meditate. The Pew chart that said the Greatest Generation "meditates" is absurd. Pew must be using a different definition of meditation. It is suspension of thinking, and focused awareness; not thinking about stuff.

Please view the videos I posted by Watts and Sheldrake under the scientism thread. Everyone needs to see those. People have a lot of misconceptions about science and worldviews; these authors and speakers are truly great communicators and fun to listen to.

Neo-liberalism is demented; I wouldn't say doom necessarily, but it has been carried to an extreme, and not by boomers! By conservatives of all generations including white millennials. It needs to be defeated as our governing political ideology, and has not been for 40 years.

Earth worship is the opposite of doom; it is needed for survival. It is WITHOUT Earth worship that we are doomed. Get that straight; you have it reversed! It is needed for survival of civilization!

Civilization can be seen also as sometimes a limiting factor and not the only value. We need to admit Nature back into our lives and our being, and free ourselves from the authority of imposed and cruel kinds of civilization. But on the whole, if reformed and advanced, civilization is seen by boomers and all generations as a positive and also productive of many high values.

The sixties greenpeace and spiritual revolutions began under a Uranus-Pluto conjunction, like the previous such conjunctions that occurred at the beginning of the previous democratic and socialist revolutions. The sixties awakening and its revolutionary ideals cannot ever be "out of date" and are not the sole characteristic of "boomers." A revolution continues to expand and grow until it governs a large portion of humanity. It reaches a fullfillment stage at the opposition in which it takes appreciable power.

Please read:
http://philosopherswheel.com/thethreerevolutions.html
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#23
(11-13-2019, 04:28 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 09:11 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 06:59 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: It created a very colourful saeculum. Music from our cycle especially from the 1980s will probably be played for centuries. Same for movies and fashion. I can't imagine the boys of 2200 not knowing Rocky.

When it comes to politics, I prefer the Missionaries.

We Boomers have more in common with the Transcendentals, and that make us a bit scary.  I agree, the Missionaries were a better version of Prophet.

Boomer politics is simply demented doom, their orientations are varied but all agree in rejecting rationality and civilization. The evangelicals chose theocratic mysticism, while the hippies chose Earth-worship and the "neoliberals" chose magic of the market.

That's not demented doom. Civilization and rationality are not rejected. Rationality as the prior religion as reason uber alles is rejected. We need all our faculties, not just one which has limited application. Thinking and words are too limited and clumsy to base all our actions on. We need greater awareness. We are all distorted and confined by the uncontrolled activity of mind chatter, and need to learn to meditate. The Pew chart that said the Greatest Generation "meditates" is absurd. Pew must be using a different definition of meditation. It is suspension of thinking, and focused awareness; not thinking about stuff.

Please view the videos I posted by Watts and Sheldrake under the scientism thread. Everyone needs to see those. People have a lot of misconceptions about science and worldviews; these authors and speakers are truly great communicators and fun to listen to.

Neo-liberalism is demented; I wouldn't say doom necessarily, but it has been carried to an extreme, and not by boomers! By conservatives of all generations including white millennials. It needs to be defeated as our governing political ideology, and has not been for 40 years.

Earth worship is the opposite of doom; it is needed for survival. It is WITHOUT Earth worship that we are doomed. Get that straight; you have it reversed! It is needed for survival of civilization!

Civilization can be seen also as sometimes a limiting factor and not the only value. We need to admit Nature back into our lives and our being, and free ourselves from the authority of imposed and cruel kinds of civilization. But on the whole, if reformed and advanced, civilization is seen by boomers and all generations as a positive and also productive of many high values.

The sixties greenpeace and spiritual revolutions began under a Uranus-Pluto conjunction, like the previous such conjunctions that occurred at the beginning of the previous democratic and socialist revolutions. The sixties awakening and its revolutionary ideals cannot ever be "out of date" and are not the sole characteristic of "boomers." A revolution continues to expand and grow until it governs a large portion of humanity. It reaches a fullfillment stage at the opposition in which it takes appreciable power.

Please read:
http://philosopherswheel.com/thethreerevolutions.html

Agree with him there. The planetary stuff not so much but Eric will Eric.
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#24
(11-04-2019, 05:55 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
As to individualism, it is natural to the American character.  As a nation even our most collectivist generation (Millies) seems to be highly individualistic.  I can't tell you how many different intersections of "oppression" the
latest wave of "Progressives" can come up with.




Prabhat Sarkar would certainly agree with you here - and his understudy, Dr. Ravi Batra, has said as much, pointing out that America, including before it became independent, was a haven for acquisitors, even though Britain was in an intellectual age from about 1690 until well after 1776, and in a warrior age before that (the Western warrior age began with the voyage of Columbus in 1492).
"It was better with them that were slain by the sword, than with them that died with hunger, for these pined away being consumed for want of the fruits of the earth" - Lamentations 4:9
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(11-08-2019, 07:53 AM)Hintergrund Wrote: And Adenauer would have been nothing without the Allies winning the war. During the nazi time, he was busy enough hiding himself, no time for resistance.

I have my idea for a novel in which America becomes a bad guy (rule by the KKK) and the Weimar Republic survives the extremist threat of the early 1930's, and with the democratic trends overpowering the militaristic trends in Japanese life, Germany and Japan become the Good Guys. Note that with a leader like Adenauer Germany has no Holocaust, and Germany's Model Minority makes the sorts of contributions to German society that they do in reality in America. Many American Jews flee to Germany and its partners rather than risk KKK pogroms.

While Britain is fascist under Moseley, India becomes a haven for the British Royal Family and gains independence (analogy: Brazil becoming independent of Portugal). Stalin's Soviet Union can be nothing other than evil. 

It would be very different from many of the alternative-history novels not in an Axis victory... I see Adenauer as remarkably similar to Churchill. (The thug powers of the real Axis lost because as gangsters they could never win the peace. Real victory comes when the defeated side loses all cause for resistance or uprisings). Churchill and Adenauer basically trade places in history as do their countries, except that Churchill takes the role in history that the plotters of July 20 had for Goerdeler. The British plotters succeed, and one of the first deeds of the new Queen (guess who!) is to ask forgiveness of the British people that the British Union of Fascists had started to persecute. The yellow badges that read "JEW" become objects of pride in Britain -- and, in view of the swift German victory in France in 1940 -- France, those that read "JUIF" or "JUIVE" . (Laval is also a Bad Guy). 

Oh, what of the fearsome Soviet Union? Let's put it this way -- at some point Stalin flees for Klan America in an aircraft that disappears over the Arctic Ocean in one of the great mysteries of history.   

I even have an idea for cover art designed by an otherwise-obscure commercial artist who went back to art after his Beer Hall Putsch failed showing a "THIS IS THE ENEMY" poster showing a Klansman as an arsonist, rapist, and torturer.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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