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Greta Thunberg - Civic or Artist?
#21
hey Teejay, are you Australian? Maybe it's just your family that's untypical. I always say, all people with shitty parents are a bit of a Nomad.
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#22
(11-11-2019, 08:49 AM)Teejay Wrote:
(02-26-2017, 01:39 PM)freivolk Wrote:
(08-21-2016, 06:33 PM)Remy Renault Wrote: Even though the US and Western Europe are more or less in alignment, sometimes I feel the dates of certain turnings differ slightly depending on what side of the pond you're on. For instance, even if the American 2T lasted from 1965-1980, in Western Europe I think it was more late fifties to mid-seventies rather than mid sixties to early eighties like in the US. So if anything, Europe had a really f***ing long 3T. In Western Europe the "Sixties" were basically over before they officially ended according to the calendar whereas they lasted until about 1973 in the US. Or maybe it was only France and Italy who experienced their respective 2Ts ahead of schedule, say from 1959-1975, whereas the UK and Germany experienced theirs at roughly the same time as the US. I don't know...

But I think it's safe to say the 2T officially ended in Italy the night Pier Paolo Pasolini got murdered.

I think its obvious, the dates for the turnings between the US and Western Europe are very much in aligment. We have the 1T starting in 1948/9. In West Germany we have 1948 the Währungsreform (currency reform) and 1949 the foudation of the Federal Republic (were the first is in the german mindset more important then the later), in Italy the election of 1948 which stabilize the first Republic. I admit France is a bit complicated, but the economic recovering and the isolation of the communists also starts around 1947/8. That France has still to deal witha lot of leftover problems from the 4T is a result of Vichy, which coloboration tarnished the french hero generation and led to a restauration of the old 3T elite, till the Gaullists took over.
The 2T starts 1967/8 with the emerging youth(prophet) revolt. May 68 in Paris is definitly a important date.
1987 in West Germany, 1988 in France the ruling partys have slogans similar to "Its Morning, America" but in any case the events of 1989 show the beginning of the 3T.
The Financial crisis of 2008 had hit Europe much more, then the USA, whith creating a significant crisis of the Eurozone and the EU. With the Brexis this crisis reach ist boiling point.

Would not 1989 with the Fall of the Berlin Wall, along with the Second Summer of Love in Britain (which was the British Boomers or Generation 68'ers version of Woodstock), be a more fitting for end of the last 2T for Europe? Because the mood I get from Europe (minus Ireland, Turkey, Ukraine, Russia and Belarus which I argue are on a different saeculums) was one of spiritual satisfaction in 1989. Also I argue events of 1989 for Europe to me were a swan song to the Awakening, along with being a fitting end to an Awakening which started with the Prague Spring and the Protests of 1968.

(11-11-2019, 10:36 PM)Teejay Wrote:
(11-11-2019, 04:02 PM)taramarie Wrote: If you aren't here in New Zealand and have not grown up here you can only judge from a distance. It only takes you so far. I have first hand experience living here, growing up here which I can tell you all about as a millennial born late 1984 and yes we definitely are millennials. Ask kiwi's what its like here.

Tara Marie, 

For near on two decades, I have studied a lot Australian History, Politics and Popular Culture, also I have studied New Zealand’s to a lesser extent. Also, I have made extensive, detailed observations of people I have known in my life, along with public figures and generational societal attitudes in Australia.  Early on I rejected Strauss and Howe’s dates (whih they admitted were for North America) as not fitting the evidence for Australia, therefore I made my own estimates for Australian turnings and generations which pretty much exactly matches British (although interestingly not Irish) ones. 

Anyway, what observations I have made about New Zealand, have indicated a generational line-up identical to Australia’s. Indeed the 1980's for New Zealand, especially with the Revolutionary Fourth Labour Government, which was as revolutionary as Thatcher's Conservative government screams totally an Awakening to me. 

Anyway, regarding Australians born approximately from 1983 to 1986, I see us being late members of a Nomad generation. Indeed, observations I have made about these cohorts, which I have shared to American old T4T posters, have remarked that would make observations like that of those born in the late 1970's. Also they remark Australia's societal mood currently is similar to America's around 2014-2015, complete with a Tea Party style government, which is turning into a Trump style one. New Zealand's government to me seems to be a somewhat progressive version of the Obama administration.

However, some of us identify as Millennial's and conform to the Civic archetype or even have elements of both Civic and Nomad archetypes, but I am not one of them, I see myself as a Nomad belonging to a Nomad generation, despite these days I am far from a typical Nomad, although many people younger than me are very much Nomads, this all expected of what are considered ‘cuspers’. Although in the people I have known in my life, a lot of those born in the early to middle 1980's are very often Nomads, rather than Civics. While I see more Civics among those born in the late 1980's, although even you get sometimes either Nomads or Nomad/Civic hybrids, indeed the Civic archetype only starts becoming really dominant in the early 1990's cohorts.

Regarding my life experience, growing up in Australia, the experience is consistent of late wave member of a Nomad Generation, the same went for the great bulk of my peers as well. For example; in the High Schools I went to in both Hobart and Melbourne. There were cliques which the students socialised predominantly in, which have been maintained as we approach middle age. However, I was excluded from these cliques and was something of an outcast. That probably made me acquire some Artist traits in the last couple of decades.

Might I add my experience growing up and coming of age, was like the American Lost Generation in some respects, also my relationship with some Boomers (including my parents) was what was described about the American Lost and Missionaries by Strauss & Howe. Especially given that Aussie Boomers greatly resemble the American Missionaries, expect if they embraced New Age Spirituality, the parallels go down to Aussie Boomers having twaged numerous 'crusades' against what they see as "vices", which some were good and others were terrible. Plus the young adult Nomads were especially targeted by the crusades that the Aussie Boomers waged, that is what myself felt and many of my peers as well.

One of the Aussie 'crusades' was imposing a huge amount of social regulations imposed during in the 1990s and 2000s, which has turned Australia into a what is seen as some overseas observers a ‘nanny state’. Which, I argue definitely was an attempt to deny a Nomad generation of the freedoms, that Boomers enjoyed as young adults and to punish us Nomads. On top of that, there were punitive measures introduced in the late 1990s for people collecting unemployment benefits as well, by mutual obligation requirements and work for dole. However the Aussie Boomers could literally 'dole bludge' when they were young adults, indeed some New Zealanders moved to Australia in the 1970s to 'dole bludge' in places such as the suburb of Bondi in Sydney.

Although, in recent years people are starting to question wither some of these 'nanny state' measures were good ideas, such as the Lockout laws for pubs and nightclubs which my state (New South Wales) has. Because as the 1990s and recently 2000s cohorts have come of age, people are much more sympathetic to these cohorts than they were to mine, which was more an attitude of "they deserve it".

Nanny state laws are even worse now in the UK than they were when you were growing up and the laws keep getting more and more extreme. Explain this.
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(11-08-2019, 07:55 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 06:27 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: My bet that she is a prop of her Antifa activist parents.

When they're right, they're right. Global Warming is a yuge problem and could become waaay more expensive than any countermeasure.

Global Warming is bunk.  Every prediction predicted to date has been wrong.  That track record is unlikely to change.  So-called climate models are about as effective at modeling the climate as Gosplan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosplan) models were at modeling an economy.
It really is all mathematics.

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(11-10-2019, 11:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 06:27 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: My bet that she is a prop of her Antifa activist parents.

That being said assuming Sweden is more or less the same time line as the rest of the West she should be a Late Civic.  But I haven't seen, or conducted myself, a thorough examination of Sweden's Turning Structure.

Everyone forgets the simple truth: generations are aggregates of individuals, and not all individuals are alike.  So typecasting a single individual based on birthdate is a waste of time.  Odds favor one archetype over the others, but any can apply to that single person.  We all have our unique upbringing and natural propensities.  Generational theory can't alter that.

Thunberg comes across as a Cassandra.  That makes her a Prophet.  She's out of sync with her time, but that's her.

Possibly.  She supposedly has some type of Autism Spectrum Disorder (usually attributed is Asperger's...but DSM V, etc, etc) so that might also shift her out of sync as well.
It really is all mathematics.

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#25
Were I to choose among the problems identified in the DMS-IV, I would pick Asperger's. One can hurt others' feelings but otherwise be harmless. One can be a chilly rationalist and competent on the job.

With suitable support and encouragement, someone with Asperger's might not have a fully-satisfying life, but lots of people lead miserable lives for various reasons, including poverty -- and most of the pathology in the DMS-IV. I am not sure that narcissists have it so great.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#26
Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick". Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals. Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school. Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological. I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable. Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines. I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now. Mind you I don't have the White and Straight Privileges you have.
It really is all mathematics.

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(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.
what the fuck?!
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(11-13-2019, 10:42 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.
what the fuck?!

I don't agree with Kinser on Global Warming, but I'll side with him in that there are many Boomers who believe shit like that or worse. I once heard a story of a guy who believed there was some guru in India who could turn toxic waste into pure water.

As Kinser said - they think their charlatan of the week was better than all the scientists and doctors of the world put together.
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(11-14-2019, 04:05 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 10:42 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.
what the fuck?!

I don't agree with Kinser on Global Warming, but I'll side with him in that there are many Boomers who believe shit like that or worse. I once heard a story of a guy who believed there was some guru in India who could turn toxic waste into pure water.

As Kinser said - they think their charlatan of the week was better than all the scientists and doctors of the world put together.
Im actually still stunned that there are people out there that are THAT stupid. A crystal for a physical issue such as a rotten tooth. What in the fuck. It is as stupid as the planetary bs that Eric spouts out and the idea that matter doesn't exist. LOL! Ha, toxic waste to pure water. Fuck the water, can he make me a beer? Then I will be impressed!  Wink Big Grin
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(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.

I would rather have Asperger's than pathological narcissism, which I consider second-worst. Pathological narcissists might be more successful in economic results for themselves, but think of the harm that they do to others! Narcissism well fits an oppressor or exploiter no matter what his ideology.

Nobody chooses to have Asperger's... but recognize that I have some imagination, and that at my age (63) I have seen a lot or have heard a lot. But nobody chooses low intelligence, schizophrenia, bipolar syndrome, paranoia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, sado-masochism, addiction, borderline personality, sexual perversion, or sociopathy, either.

I may not fully understand what it is like to be black, but you can trust that I know what white people say when they think themselves safe to express racist ideas. I have been around people proud only of being white. Then listen to their conversations on other aspects of life -- and those aspects of life do not include the music of Bela Bartok. White privilege, so far as I discern, means only that one can get away with more bad behavior. Example: white people use more drugs and worse drugs in part because they are less likely to be busted.

DMS-IV does not include homosexuality -- and that is a good thing.  Considering what genetic messes people with Asperger's are, it would be better for the world if we did not procreate. It does not include blackness, either. If I had to choose between being black and having Asperger's I would choose being black. The Talented Tenth seems to live well enough.

By the way -- I am no mystic. Anyone who thinks that crystals have any powers of healing is a fool. There are crystals that I would avoid, such as realgar (arsenic) and cinnabar (mercury). I find astrophysics far easier to understand than astrology.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(11-14-2019, 02:24 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.

I would rather have Asperger's than pathological narcissism, which I consider second-worst. Pathological narcissists might be more successful in economic results for themselves, but think of the harm that they do to others! Narcissism well fits an oppressor or exploiter no matter what his ideology.

Nobody chooses to have Asperger's... but recognize that I have some imagination, and that at my age (63) I have seen a lot or have heard a lot. But nobody chooses low intelligence, schizophrenia, bipolar syndrome, paranoia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, sado-masochism, addiction, borderline personality, sexual perversion, or sociopathy, either.

I may not fully understand what it is like to be black, but you can trust that I know what white people say when they think themselves safe to express racist ideas. I have been around people proud only of being white. Then listen to their conversations on other aspects of life -- and those aspects of life do not include the music of Bela Bartok. White privilege, so far as I discern, means only that one can get away with more bad behavior. Example: white people use more drugs and worse drugs in part because they are less likely to be busted.  

DMS-IV does not include homosexuality -- and that is a good thing.  Considering what genetic messes people with Asperger's are, it would be better for the world if we did not procreate. It does not include blackness, either. If I had to choose between being black and having Asperger's I would choose being black. The Talented Tenth seems to live well enough.

By the way -- I am no mystic. Anyone who thinks that crystals have any powers of healing is a fool. There are crystals that I would avoid, such as realgar (arsenic) and cinnabar (mercury). I find astrophysics far easier to understand than astrology.

Astrophysics is pretty complicated. I understand the theories when explained to me, but doing the actual math requires a strong background in knowing what the symbols mean.

Astrology is a lot easier, but also requires knowing some symbols. It requires questioning the scientism dogmas that have been imposed upon us. Watching the Sheldrake and Watts videos or reading these articles, posted here under scientism, would help you see the point of view beyond scientism. 

Sheldrake points out that these dogmas are not the results of scientific investigation. They descend in large part from Christian myths. There is no more reason to hold on to a mythical mechanistic conception of life and Nature than to hold on to the myth of the Big Daddy Boss in the sky who creates everything. The scientism believers can't even get rid of the original miracle of the big bang. Much of modern physics, on the other hand, goes beyond the simple cause and effect mechanistic view, and even opens up the realm of astrology and esoteric realities. Quantum entanglement is a big new idea.

The idea of mechanical cause and effect is useful for creating machines, but that doesn't mean that because we can create machines, that the world is a machine. Conceiving the world as a machine reduces life to what can be pushed around. Dealing with our moral and psychological problems requires taking possession of yourself rather than being forced. That was the original insight of the greatest and first psychologist, the Buddha.

I know crystals can focus some degree of magnetic life power, as can be demonstrated, but it is a fairly weak energy compared to other means of heightening one's spiritual or healing energy. Crystals are pretty, and they make a good sales gimmick, and saying that they have some healing powers if you wear them is an attractive pitch for buying crystal jewelry. Women especially like to buy jewelry. Us guys have less use for it.

But even on a tech level, it's easy to see that crystals have power. Without them we would not have invented radio.

Seeing healing power in crystal jewelry is possible when you ditch the dogma that life and consciousness is a fluke of Nature. But our own conscious life could not have developed from a stupid mechanical universe. There are roots of consciousness below our own, which has emerged through the life process of evolution. Greater complexity of organisms means also greater consciousness and freedom within those organisms. That's the basic premise of Teilhard de Chardin's magnificent portrait of evolution. Darwinist ideas are not enough to explain what is happening.

It's a matter of being curious about life, and realizing that conventional mythology does not explain it. There are great frontiers of knowledge about spiritual realities to explore as well as frontiers of physical knowledge, and ultimately spirit and matter are terms that represent interdependent realities. This is not word salad; it is rock-solid basic roots awareness available to anyone. 

This curiosity and openness to life is needed if we are to look upon the universe and ourselves in a way that engenders respect and not manipulation. We are subjects, not just objects. Scientism is, then, a moral issue.

None of this means throwing away our rational faculties and thinking for yourself rather than accepting some miraculous claim. On the contrary, being curious and open to experience and evidence convinces me even more that mere believing things is not the way to go about things. A healthy skepticism will cure us of conspiracy theory, or of not using traditional western medicine when it is a proven healing method that's better than hoping the weak energy of crystals can cure a powerful disease. I am happy to use medicine that is proven to work, whatever kind that it is. I am grateful for the operation I had that turned back my prostate cancer. I am also happy for the powerful touch healing I received from a new age minister that cured me of a bad malfunction in my brain caused by drugs that the doctor just told me to see a psychiatrist about.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#32
I don't insist that you or anyone should accept astrology as true. I think it has some truth, because I have been convinced by my own experiment and experience. No-one can make me doubt this; the coincidence that I was able to forecast before I looked it up everything in my chart, convinced me in a way no skeptic can question. Likewise in the late 1960s when I thought about what was going on, and postulated there was a rare conjunction of outer transcendental planets happening, and then saw that it indeed happened on the exact day that I thought, it was enough to show that there's something to it in a way that no supposed scientific argument could answer.

So I offer my astrological insights because they are relevant to the prophetic mission of The Fourth Turning. It offers another broader perspective on what is happening, and is based on my solid record of predictions I have made of major events such as 9-11, the 2008 crash and the end of the Soviet Empire. And so, my prediction of the return of progress in the 2020s, and the crisis of 2025, gives you a larger perspective that can provide some hope and less despair if one election goes the wrong way.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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#33
Are you materialist guys chasing your own tails? Before you knock us spiritualists, consider who is willing to take a look and think about these things, and you guys just accepting things at face value.



"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#34
(11-13-2019, 10:42 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.
what the fuck?!

Tara...my boomer mother, though a RN, believes a large amount of ridiculous new agey pseudo-medicine.  She is a particular kind of moron that seems more common in Prophet generations than in generations with other archetypes.  As for people believing in charlatans over persons with actual competency that is a human condition.

In my lifetime I've been taken in by a few charlatans and been one myself.
It really is all mathematics.

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(11-14-2019, 02:24 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I would rather have Asperger's than pathological narcissism, which I consider second-worst. Pathological narcissists might be more successful in economic results for themselves, but think of the harm that they do to others! Narcissism well fits an oppressor or exploiter no matter what his ideology.

Nobody chooses to have Asperger's... but recognize that I have some imagination, and that at my age (63) I have seen a lot or have heard a lot. But nobody chooses low intelligence, schizophrenia, bipolar syndrome, paranoia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, sado-masochism, addiction, borderline personality, sexual perversion, or sociopathy, either.

I may not fully understand what it is like to be black, but you can trust that I know what white people say when they think themselves safe to express racist ideas. I have been around people proud only of being white. Then listen to their conversations on other aspects of life -- and those aspects of life do not include the music of Bela Bartok. White privilege, so far as I discern, means only that one can get away with more bad behavior. Example: white people use more drugs and worse drugs in part because they are less likely to be busted.  

DMS-IV does not include homosexuality -- and that is a good thing.  Considering what genetic messes people with Asperger's are, it would be better for the world if we did not procreate. It does not include blackness, either. If I had to choose between being black and having Asperger's I would choose being black. The Talented Tenth seems to live well enough.

By the way -- I am no mystic. Anyone who thinks that crystals have any powers of healing is a fool. There are crystals that I would avoid, such as realgar (arsenic) and cinnabar (mercury). I find astrophysics far easier to understand than astrology.

I see you are avoiding my question as to whether you went out and got yourself an actual diagnosis.  I did not make a point about choosing to have a condition--people either have a condition or do not have a condition.  My question is as to your diagnosis.  Without a legitimate diagnosis I'm under no compulsion to accept your claim.

Furthermore, for some types of jobs I find that those on the spectrum outperform those not on it.  I've mentioned before actively seeking high functioning autistic persons for bakery positions with my company.  They generally focus more on the details of baking if they are so inclined and baking, unlike cooking generally, is more science than art.  Details and exactness are requirements to have a consistent product that the public demands.  Also they are far cheaper than buying in product, and the baked goods being made in house is a competitive advantage.  But that says more about my economic sense than my opinion of those on the spectrum.

Privilege, white or otherwise, as conceived by the Left is more worthless than horse shit.  It does not exist.  If whites are able to get away with more bad behavior than other races I think it has more to do with their generally greater wealth than those other races. Money may not buy happiness but it certainly can buy a decent lawyer.  I will not comment on the racism of other races.  My own race has its own racist problem which I've expounded upon elsewhere.

Homosexuality has not been listed as a psychological disorder for several decades now.  That isn't news.

Yes the Talented Tenth does really well.  Those of us who are slightly less talented but fortunate enough to have been born into what remained of the Black Bourgeoisie also also are doing quite well.  Those that have also taken advantage of every opportunity presented them are doing quite well also.  Remaining in the ghetto is a choice, and it is quite easy to leave the ghetto.  What is harder is not getting out of the ghetto but getting the ghetto out of oneself.
It really is all mathematics.

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(11-14-2019, 07:00 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 10:42 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(11-13-2019, 08:01 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Key phrase there PBR..."Would pick".  Have you had your plethora of tests and observations done yet or are you still relying on the word of a social worker you had a five minute conversation with?

Honestly I don't know who is worse, you who reads an abstract on WebMD and decides he has X condition or my mother who is utterly convinced I didn't need to go to the oral surgeon to have a rotted tooth extracted; that it could be healed with crystals.  Good thing I went to culinary and not medical school.  Otherwise I'd be dealing with hypochondriac boomers when I wasn't dealing moronic new ager boomers who are convinced that their charlatan of the week is superior to my education and science.

As for misery, there are various causes for misery not all of them economic, sociological or pathological.  I'd venture to say being a loser in general is pretty miserable.  Fortunately I'll not have to experience that as I'm not a loser--I went out and got mines.  I dare say that you should have done the same, perhaps then you'd be far less miserable now.  Mind you I don't have the White  and Straight Privileges you have.
what the fuck?!

Tara...my boomer mother, though a RN, believes a large amount of ridiculous new agey pseudo-medicine.  She is a particular kind of moron that seems more common in Prophet generations than in generations with other archetypes.  As for people believing in charlatans over persons with actual competency that is a human condition.

In my lifetime I've been taken in by a few charlatans and been one myself.
Omg she is a RN and believes in that bullshit? I hope for her patients sake she is following through with her science based education and not that crystal healing woo woo shit otherwise she is going to kill someone.
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(11-12-2019, 11:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 07:55 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 06:27 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: My bet that she is a prop of her Antifa activist parents.

When they're right, they're right. Global Warming is a yuge problem and could become waaay more expensive than any countermeasure.

Global Warming is bunk.  Every prediction predicted to date has been wrong.  That track record is unlikely to change.  So-called climate models are about as effective at modeling the climate as Gosplan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosplan) models were at modeling an economy.

Mathematical modeling is always flawed. Models vary in results depending on the levels of greenhouse gas emissions. That is the unpredictable amount. Add more carbon dioxide, halocarbons, and sulfur hexafluoride  to the atmosphere, and more water vapor goes into the air. Water vapor is the most effective greenhouse gas, more powerful than carbon dioxide, but higher temperatures over the seas put more water vapor into the air because higher temperatures mean that more water can be held in the air. 

If you have ever noticed, the measurements of the shares of gases in the atmosphere are shown for those that do not vary by location  -- nitrogen, oxygen, argon, etc. Water vapor and carbon dioxide are not listed because those vary significantly. The air is much more 'juiced' in Kuwait than in Marseilles, let alone in polar regions. Oh, so why is Kuwait a desert if the air is so juiced? The cold fronts that bring drenching rain to  reach Marseilles in the winter, but cold fronts reach only about as far south as Tunis, Tehran and Tel Aviv in the winter.  

The models differ based on the amount of greenhouse gases that Humanity recklessly and improvidentially release into the atmosphere. Greenhouse emissions are the variable in the model. How the atmosphere acts with different levels of greenhouse gases is not so controversial.   


(this is a video showing projections of climate change. Note that dry zones expand and appear in places  in which they do not now exist. 

http://koeppen-geiger.vu-wien.ac.at/shifts.htm





 in 2100:

[Image: USA_env_MR_A2_2100_vividmaps.png]

There will be longer growing seasons -- but less water available. The C-D border between "rainy" winters and "snowy" winters goes from about Kansas City, St. Louis, and Louisville  to around Omaha, Chicago, and Detroit. Longer growing seasons will be nice in places like Fargo, North Dakota -- except that crops will need more rainfall and snow just to adjust to warmer conditions... and might be inadequate. Milder winters might expand the zone of tropical crop potential in Florida -- except that drought might intervene. California's San Joaquin Valley, one of the top crop-growing areas in America, becomes full-blown desert.   

The new Mediterranean belt along the Gulf Coast suggests that cold fronts will reach the southeastern USA only in the winter, late autumn, and early spring, but the air will still be juiced enough then for copious rainfall. There will apparently be no summer monsoon or a very slight one.  

Cactus will be part of the Los Angeles scene as they are in Phoenix. Full-blown desert starts appearing in southeastern Colorado and eastern New Mexico
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PBR....Kilimanjaro was supposed to be snow cap free in 2016.  It's 2019 still got fucking snow.  Blizzards in the US was supposed to be a thing of the past by now.  If they can't predict 10 years out, then I have no reason to believe they can 80 years out.  You simply can't pretend that inconvenient truths do not exist.



It really is all mathematics.

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I always thought this study was fairly definitive.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how...al-warming
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(11-12-2019, 09:15 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: Nanny state laws are even worse now in the UK than they were when you were growing up and the laws keep getting more and more extreme. Explain this.

Well in Australia, when these laws were first introduced nobody gave a damn about the young people being affected by it. However in recent years the attitude has changed, now that a lot of people are concerned that young people are being adversely affected by these laws.
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