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Example:
Early '60s cohort (Prophet/Nomad)
Early '80s cohort (Nomad/Hero)
Early '00s cohort (Hero/Artist)
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Early 1880's (Prophet/Nomad)
Early 1840's (Nomad/Hero)
Early 1790's (Artist/Prophet)
I wouldn't make too much of it.
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Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
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(03-17-2020, 09:55 AM)Ghost Wrote: Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
I agree with this 100%. I do believe that those born in the very early 21st century would be the actual cusp, when it comes to generation archetypes. The cultural/mainstream generations seem to be right, since those born upto 1964 would be a demographic Boomer and mid-late 60s babies do have some Boomer qualities, late 70s and early 80s babies are always torn between X and Millennial, and mid-late 90s babies would be in-between Millennial and Z. I personally see myself as a tail-end Millennial cusper, but us early 00's babies do seem much more culturally Z, but still have some leftover Millennial traces.
Even though, it does make sense that the Gen Jones cusp would be 1959-1962 and 1961 would be the first to lean X, at the end of the day, those born from 1961-1964 will probably never truly know what generation they fall into because they are technically "set-in-stone" Baby Boomers, but feel much closer to Gen X, so they will always be in that in-between gen limbo. In fact, I might add on this:
S&H definitions, starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet; 1940-1942 lean Artist because they probably remember the end of WWII and were too old for the '60s young adult movements, and 1943-1945 lean Prophet because they can't remember WWII and were children of the '50's who were the oldest participating in the movements of the '60's): 1940-1945 (born in the early-mid '40s during the war, prior to the baby boom)
Off-cusp "Core" Prophets (100% Prophet or very close to it; those born on the edges will have some leftover Artist or rising Nomad qualities): 1946-1957 (the true "baby boom", roughly born from the late 40s to mid 50s and the main "yuppies" of the 80s; the older ones were the main activist, dodge-drafting hippies of the late 60s and early 70s)
Prophet/Nomad cusp: (a mix of Prophet & Nomad; 1958-1960 lean Prophet and 1961-1963 lean Nomad): 1958-1963 (born during the decline in birth rate, while still being high)
Off-cusp "Core" Nomads (100% Nomad or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Prophet or rising Hero qualities): 1964-1979 (the group that really resembles Nomads and were born at the end of the baby boom, entirety of the baby bust, and upto the rise of births from the mid 60's, throughout the 70's; graduated high school in the 80s and 90s, post-MTV but most likely graduated college pre-9/11)
Nomad/Hero cusp (a mix of Nomad & Hero; 1980-1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school in the 90's pre-Y2K and probably the last to remember the Challenger explosion, and 1982-1983 lean Hero for graduating high school in the 2000's and symbolic "new millennium" and can't remember the Challenger explosion): 1980-1983 (most disputed start and end dates for Millennials and Gen X; born in the early 80's; roughly the last to have the most of their childhood in the 80's, albeit late 80's, were in college during 9/11 and can't remember the end of the Awakening era before the start of the Unraveling)
Off-cusp "Core" Heroes (100% Hero or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Nomad or rising Artist qualities): 1984-2000 (born roughly from the mid-80's to the late 90's, last of the 20th century babies; children of the 90's and 2000's; graduated high school post-9/11 onward, and are the true teens and youth of the early 21st century, hence the term "Millennial")
Hero/Artist cusp (a mix of Hero & Artist; 2001-2002 lean Hero because they had most of their youth prior to the 2018 midterms and climate change crisis, graduate high school before the post-coronavirus atmosphere, last children of the 00's, born before the establishment of Homeland security and the last to reliably have memory of life during a somewhat prosperous time before the iPhone and 2008 crisis, and 2003-2004 lean Artist because they were children of the 10's, had most of their youth after the climate change crisis, and were born after the establishment of Homeland security and probably can't really remember life pre-iPhone and 2008 crisis): 2001-2004 (born in the very early 21st century and came of age around the predicted 2020 crisis, coronavirus and potential recession)
Off-cusp "Core" Artists (100% Artist or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Hero or rising Prophet qualities): 2005-2020 (I put the end date at 2020 because they were the last born before the aftermath of the coronavirus, even though they were born during it)
New Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet): 2021-TBD (born after coronavirus)
Cultural/Mainstream definitions (mainly Pew), starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Swing Generation (Silent/Boomer cusp; 1943-1945 lean Silent for being born during the war before the post-war baby boom and graduated high school before the JFK assassination but can't remember the war, 1946-1948 lean Boomer for being born during the post-war baby boom but graduated high school before the hippie movement): 1943-1948
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (born during the baby boom)
Off-cusp Boomers (Basically pure Boomers who graduated high school after the start of the hippie movement in the late 60s but before 1980 and the 1979 Iran-hostage crisis): 1949-1961
Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 lean Boomer for being born during the baby boom but graduated in the 80s, which seem to be very Xer-like, and probably did not get into the disco craze; 1965-1967 lean X for being after the baby boom, hence the baby bust, but were in high school when Gen X culture in high school was not fully set in yet so there was some Boomer influences there, and could vote graduated college in the 80's, which is a bit Boomer-like): 1962-1967
Generation X: 1965-1980
Off-cusp X'ers (Basically pure X; entered high school in a Gen X, MTV atmosphere and graduated high school before Windows 95, those on the edges could possibly have some influences from outside generations): 1968-1977
Xennials (X/Millennial cusp; 1978-1980 lean X for graduating high school pre-Columbine and had most of their high school years before the golden age of rap died when Tupac and Biggie died; 1981-1983 lean Millennial for graduating high school post-Columbine and had most of their youth and high school years in a more upbeat, positive, teen pop vibe): 1978-1983 (graduated high school post-Windows 95, but pre-9/11; most of elementary school after Challenger explosion but before collapse of USSR)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (K-12 post-Challenger but pre-9/11, graduated high school post-Columbine but pre-Isis and political "peak" of the 2010's, born during the Reagan era 80s, upto the first term of the Clinton presidency in the mid-90's)
Off-cusp Millennials (Basically pure Millennial, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; entered high school in a post-9/11 atmosphere but before the end of the Iraq War, the backlash of 9/11, most of the childhood in the the last decade of the 20th century, also were all teens and the main high school kids of the "noughties", and had most of their elementary school years post-USSR and pre-9/11): 1984-1993
Zillennials (Millennial/Z cusp; 1994-1996 lean Millennial for being born in the mid 90's, having most of their high school years in a somewhat pure Millennial atmosphere, being in K-12 schooling during 9/11, which makes the last to have a real memory of the event, have their main childhood in the "Millennial era" early 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 1.0, and the last to remember the "golden age" of the 90's; 1997-1999 lean Z for being born in the late 90's, having most of their high school years in a transitional era of Millennial and Z culture, not yet in K-12 during 9/11 but are probably the very last to have any memory of it, main childhood in the more established mid 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 2.0, and while they would have memory of the 90's leftover culture of the early 00's they remember the 90's itself): 1994-1999 (born in the mid-to-late 1990's, graduated high school post-Iraq War but pre-Parkland, elementary school years deeply rooted in the 00's post-Columbine and pre-Osama Bin Laden death, most of childhood of the early-mid 00's and most of elementary school post-9/11)
Generation Z: 1997-2012 (born from Clinton's second term in the late 90's to Obama's first term in the early 10's, entered K-12 post-9/11 but pre-Parkland, and most of K-5 during Web 2.0 but before a completely post-coronavirus "feel" as we are still in it)
Off-cusp Z'ers (Basically pure Z, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; born in the 2000's decade, absolutely don't remember 9/11 but could possibly have memories of a world before smartphones were dominated, graduated post-Parkland, and reached their double-digits in the 2010's and twenties in the 2020's): 2000-2009
Zalphas (Z/Alpha cusp; 2010-2012 lean Z for being born before the 2012 "end of the world", could remember the Trump election, last children of the 10's, most of elementary school before coronavirus, with the exception of 2012, and were in K-12 before Parkland; 2013-2015 lean Alpha for being born during a "new-normal" society, after the 2012 "end of the world", could probably not remember the Trump election, first children of the new "Roaring 20's", most of elementary after coronavirus pandemic, including 2012 babies, born after Sandy Hook and Newtown shooting, and entered K-12 after Parkland): 2010-2015 (born in the early-mid 10's)
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(03-17-2020, 04:59 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 09:55 AM)Ghost Wrote: Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
I agree with this 100%. I do believe that those born in the very early 21st century would be the actual cusp, when it comes to generation archetypes. The cultural/mainstream generations seem to be right, since those born upto 1964 would be a demographic Boomer and mid-late 60s babies do have some Boomer qualities, late 70s and early 80s babies are always torn between X and Millennial, and mid-late 90s babies would be in-between Millennial and Z. I personally see myself as a tail-end Millennial cusper, but us early 00's babies do seem much more culturally Z, but still have some leftover Millennial traces.
Even though, it does make sense that the Gen Jones cusp would be 1959-1962 and 1961 would be the first to lean X, at the end of the day, those born from 1961-1964 will probably never truly know what generation they fall into because they are technically "set-in-stone" Baby Boomers, but feel much closer to Gen X, so they will always be in that in-between gen limbo. In fact, I might add on this:
S&H definitions, starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet; 1940-1942 lean Artist because they probably remember the end of WWII and were too old for the '60s young adult movements, and 1943-1945 lean Prophet because they can't remember WWII and were children of the '50's who were the oldest participating in the movements of the '60's): 1940-1945 (born in the early-mid '40s during the war, prior to the baby boom)
Off-cusp "Core" Prophets (100% Prophet or very close to it; those born on the edges will have some leftover Artist or rising Nomad qualities): 1946-1957 (the true "baby boom", roughly born from the late 40s to mid 50s and the main "yuppies" of the 80s; the older ones were the main activist, dodge-drafting hippies of the late 60s and early 70s)
Prophet/Nomad cusp: (a mix of Prophet & Nomad; 1958-1960 lean Prophet and 1961-1963 lean Nomad): 1958-1963 (born during the decline in birth rate, while still being high)
Off-cusp "Core" Nomads (100% Nomad or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Prophet or rising Hero qualities): 1964-1979 (the group that really resembles Nomads and were born at the end of the baby boom, entirety of the baby bust, and upto the rise of births from the mid 60's, throughout the 70's; graduated high school in the 80s and 90s, post-MTV but most likely graduated college pre-9/11)
Nomad/Hero cusp (a mix of Nomad & Hero; 1980-1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school in the 90's pre-Y2K and probably the last to remember the Challenger explosion, and 1982-1983 lean Hero for graduating high school in the 2000's and symbolic "new millennium" and can't remember the Challenger explosion): 1980-1983 (most disputed start and end dates for Millennials and Gen X; born in the early 80's; roughly the last to have the most of their childhood in the 80's, albeit late 80's, were in college during 9/11 and can't remember the end of the Awakening era before the start of the Unraveling)
Off-cusp "Core" Heroes (100% Hero or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Nomad or rising Artist qualities): 1984-2000 (born roughly from the mid-80's to the late 90's, last of the 20th century babies; children of the 90's and 2000's; graduated high school post-9/11 onward, and are the true teens and youth of the early 21st century, hence the term "Millennial")
Hero/Artist cusp (a mix of Hero & Artist; 2001-2002 lean Hero because they had most of their youth prior to the 2018 midterms and climate change crisis, graduate high school before the post-coronavirus atmosphere, last children of the 00's, born before the establishment of Homeland security and the last to reliably have memory of life during a somewhat prosperous time before the iPhone and 2008 crisis, and 2003-2004 lean Artist because they were children of the 10's, had most of their youth after the climate change crisis, and were born after the establishment of Homeland security and probably can't really remember life pre-iPhone and 2008 crisis): 2001-2004 (born in the very early 21st century and came of age around the predicted 2020 crisis, coronavirus and potential recession)
Off-cusp "Core" Artists (100% Artist or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Hero or rising Prophet qualities): 2005-2020 (I put the end date at 2020 because they were the last born before the aftermath of the coronvirus, even though they were born during it)
New Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet): 2021-TBD (born after coronavirus)
Cultural/Mainstream definitions (mainly Pew), starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Swing Generation (Silent/Boomer cusp; 1943-1945 lean Silent for being born during the war before the post-war baby boom and graduated high school before the JFK assassination but can't remember the war, 1946-1948 lean Boomer for being born during the post-war baby boom but graduated high school before the hippie movement): 1943-1948
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (born during the baby boom)
Off-cusp Boomers (Basically pure Boomers who graduated high school after the start of the hippie movement in the late 60s but before 1980 and the 1979 Iran-hostage crisis): 1949-1961
Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 lean Boomer for being born during the baby boom but graduated in the 80s, which seem to be very Xer-like, and probably did not get into the disco craze; 1965-1967 lean X for being after the baby boom, hence the baby bust, but were in high school when Gen X culture in high school was not fully set in yet so there was some Boomer influences there, and could vote graduated college in the 80's, which is a bit Boomer-like)
Generation X: 1965-1980
Off-cusp X'ers (Basically pure X; entered high school in a Gen X, MTV atmosphere and graduated high school before Windows 95, those on the edges could possibly have some influences from outside generations): 1968-1977
Xennials (X/Millennial cusp; 1978-1980 lean X for graduating high school pre-Columbine and had most of their high school years before the golden age of rap died when Tupac and Biggie died; 1981-1983 lean Millennial for graduating high school post-Columbine and had most of their youth and high school years in a more upbeat, positive, teen pop vibe): 1978-1983 (graduated high school post-Windows 95, but pre-9/11; most of elementary school after Challenger explosion but before collapse of USSR)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (K-12 post-Challenger but pre-9/11, graduated high school post-Columbine but pre-Isis and political "peak" of the 2010's, born during the Reagan era 80s, upto the first term of the Clinton presidency in the mid-90's)
Off-cusp Millennials (Basically pure Millennial, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; entered high school in a post-9/11 atmosphere but before the end of the Iraq War, the backlash of 9/11, most of the childhood in the the last decade of the 20th century, also were all teens and the main high school kids of the "noughties", and had most of their elementary school years post-USSR and pre-9/11): 1984-1993
Zillennials (Millennial/Z cusp; 1994-1996 lean Millennial for being born in the mid 90's, having most of their high school years in a somewhat pure Millennial atmosphere, being in K-12 schooling during 9/11, which makes the last to have a real memory of the event, have their main childhood in the "Millennial era" early 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 1.0, and the last to remember the "golden age" of the 90's; 1997-1999 lean Z for being born in the late 90's, having most of their high school years in a transitional era of Millennial and Z culture, not yet in K-12 during 9/11 but are probably the very last to have any memory of it, main childhood in the more established mid 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 2.0, and while they would have memory of the 90's leftover culture of the early 00's they remember the 90's itself): 1994-1999 (born in the mid-to-late 1990's, graduated high school post-Iraq War but pre-Parkland, elementary school years deeply rooted in the 00's post-Columbine and pre-Osama Bin Laden death, most of childhood of the early-mid 00's and most of elementary school post-9/11)
Generation Z: 1997-2012 (born from Clinton's second term in the late 90's to Obama's first term in the early 10's, entered K-12 post-9/11 but pre-Parkland, and most of K-5 during Web 2.0 but before a completely post-coronavirus "feel" as we are still in it)
Off-cusp Z'ers (Basically pure Z, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; born in the 2000's decade, absolutely don't remember 9/11 but could possibly have memories of a world before smartphones were dominated, graduated post-Parkland, and reached their double-digits in the 2010's and twenties in the 2020's): 2000-2009
Zalphas (Z/Alpha cusp; 2010-2012 lean Z for being born before the 2012 "end of the world", could remember the Trump election, last children of the 10's, most of elementary school before coronavirus, with the exception of 2012, and were in K-12 before Parkland; 2013-2015 lean Alpha for being born during a "new-normal" society, after the 2012 "end of the world", could probably not remember the Trump election, first children of the new "Roaring 20's", most of elementary after coronavirus pandemic, including 2012 babies, born after Sandy Hook and Newtown shooting, and entered K-12 after Parkland): 2010-2015 (born in the early-mid 10's)
For the archetypes:
I think off cusp Nomads are probably 1963-1979. I think that it's highly unlikely that 1963 borns were into disco and they weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter election, which was the event that singlehandedly brought us from 2T to 3T.
It's also of a great coincidence that 1984-2000 are 1363-1379 in the Persian calendar, and that the year after an impeachment tends to be very crazy:
*1868 had Andrew Johnson's impeachment. 1869 had Black Friday.
*1998 had Bill Clinton's impeachment. 1999 had the Columbine shooting and the Y2K scare.
*2019 had Donald Trump's impeachment. 2020 had the WW3 memes and the coronavirus scare. Coincidentally, 2019 and 2020 are 1398 and 1399 in the Persian calendar.
I'd say that core Artists is accurate for now. I don't think we could accurately determine the end of the Artist/Neo-Prophet cusp until this 4T ends (and arguably the Millennial saeculum in its entirety, which I am guessing will end in 2029 just because saeculums on average are about 84 years). 2021 does seem like a logical starting point for the cusp, considering that they will be the first wave of "quarantine baby boom" babies, but the ending point is uncertain. Talking more about saeculums, 1937 was the first year after birth rates reached an all-time low in 1936 and they are arguably the first "pre-Boomers" in this sense. It is also exactly 84 years before and the same Chinese zodiac animal as 2021.
For Cultural mainstream definitions:
I think you're dead on with them, and they're linear too.
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(03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)Ghost Wrote: (03-17-2020, 04:59 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 09:55 AM)Ghost Wrote: Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
I agree with this 100%. I do believe that those born in the very early 21st century would be the actual cusp, when it comes to generation archetypes. The cultural/mainstream generations seem to be right, since those born upto 1964 would be a demographic Boomer and mid-late 60s babies do have some Boomer qualities, late 70s and early 80s babies are always torn between X and Millennial, and mid-late 90s babies would be in-between Millennial and Z. I personally see myself as a tail-end Millennial cusper, but us early 00's babies do seem much more culturally Z, but still have some leftover Millennial traces.
Even though, it does make sense that the Gen Jones cusp would be 1959-1962 and 1961 would be the first to lean X, at the end of the day, those born from 1961-1964 will probably never truly know what generation they fall into because they are technically "set-in-stone" Baby Boomers, but feel much closer to Gen X, so they will always be in that in-between gen limbo. In fact, I might add on this:
S&H definitions, starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet; 1940-1942 lean Artist because they probably remember the end of WWII and were too old for the '60s young adult movements, and 1943-1945 lean Prophet because they can't remember WWII and were children of the '50's who were the oldest participating in the movements of the '60's): 1940-1945 (born in the early-mid '40s during the war, prior to the baby boom)
Off-cusp "Core" Prophets (100% Prophet or very close to it; those born on the edges will have some leftover Artist or rising Nomad qualities): 1946-1957 (the true "baby boom", roughly born from the late 40s to mid 50s and the main "yuppies" of the 80s; the older ones were the main activist, dodge-drafting hippies of the late 60s and early 70s)
Prophet/Nomad cusp: (a mix of Prophet & Nomad; 1958-1960 lean Prophet and 1961-1963 lean Nomad): 1958-1963 (born during the decline in birth rate, while still being high)
Off-cusp "Core" Nomads (100% Nomad or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Prophet or rising Hero qualities): 1964-1979 (the group that really resembles Nomads and were born at the end of the baby boom, entirety of the baby bust, and upto the rise of births from the mid 60's, throughout the 70's; graduated high school in the 80s and 90s, post-MTV but most likely graduated college pre-9/11)
Nomad/Hero cusp (a mix of Nomad & Hero; 1980-1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school in the 90's pre-Y2K and probably the last to remember the Challenger explosion, and 1982-1983 lean Hero for graduating high school in the 2000's and symbolic "new millennium" and can't remember the Challenger explosion): 1980-1983 (most disputed start and end dates for Millennials and Gen X; born in the early 80's; roughly the last to have the most of their childhood in the 80's, albeit late 80's, were in college during 9/11 and can't remember the end of the Awakening era before the start of the Unraveling)
Off-cusp "Core" Heroes (100% Hero or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Nomad or rising Artist qualities): 1984-2000 (born roughly from the mid-80's to the late 90's, last of the 20th century babies; children of the 90's and 2000's; graduated high school post-9/11 onward, and are the true teens and youth of the early 21st century, hence the term "Millennial")
Hero/Artist cusp (a mix of Hero & Artist; 2001-2002 lean Hero because they had most of their youth prior to the 2018 midterms and climate change crisis, graduate high school before the post-coronavirus atmosphere, last children of the 00's, born before the establishment of Homeland security and the last to reliably have memory of life during a somewhat prosperous time before the iPhone and 2008 crisis, and 2003-2004 lean Artist because they were children of the 10's, had most of their youth after the climate change crisis, and were born after the establishment of Homeland security and probably can't really remember life pre-iPhone and 2008 crisis): 2001-2004 (born in the very early 21st century and came of age around the predicted 2020 crisis, coronavirus and potential recession)
Off-cusp "Core" Artists (100% Artist or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Hero or rising Prophet qualities): 2005-2020 (I put the end date at 2020 because they were the last born before the aftermath of the coronvirus, even though they were born during it)
New Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet): 2021-TBD (born after coronavirus)
Cultural/Mainstream definitions (mainly Pew), starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Swing Generation (Silent/Boomer cusp; 1943-1945 lean Silent for being born during the war before the post-war baby boom and graduated high school before the JFK assassination but can't remember the war, 1946-1948 lean Boomer for being born during the post-war baby boom but graduated high school before the hippie movement): 1943-1948
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (born during the baby boom)
Off-cusp Boomers (Basically pure Boomers who graduated high school after the start of the hippie movement in the late 60s but before 1980 and the 1979 Iran-hostage crisis): 1949-1961
Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 lean Boomer for being born during the baby boom but graduated in the 80s, which seem to be very Xer-like, and probably did not get into the disco craze; 1965-1967 lean X for being after the baby boom, hence the baby bust, but were in high school when Gen X culture in high school was not fully set in yet so there was some Boomer influences there, and could vote graduated college in the 80's, which is a bit Boomer-like)
Generation X: 1965-1980
Off-cusp X'ers (Basically pure X; entered high school in a Gen X, MTV atmosphere and graduated high school before Windows 95, those on the edges could possibly have some influences from outside generations): 1968-1977
Xennials (X/Millennial cusp; 1978-1980 lean X for graduating high school pre-Columbine and had most of their high school years before the golden age of rap died when Tupac and Biggie died; 1981-1983 lean Millennial for graduating high school post-Columbine and had most of their youth and high school years in a more upbeat, positive, teen pop vibe): 1978-1983 (graduated high school post-Windows 95, but pre-9/11; most of elementary school after Challenger explosion but before collapse of USSR)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (K-12 post-Challenger but pre-9/11, graduated high school post-Columbine but pre-Isis and political "peak" of the 2010's, born during the Reagan era 80s, upto the first term of the Clinton presidency in the mid-90's)
Off-cusp Millennials (Basically pure Millennial, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; entered high school in a post-9/11 atmosphere but before the end of the Iraq War, the backlash of 9/11, most of the childhood in the the last decade of the 20th century, also were all teens and the main high school kids of the "noughties", and had most of their elementary school years post-USSR and pre-9/11): 1984-1993
Zillennials (Millennial/Z cusp; 1994-1996 lean Millennial for being born in the mid 90's, having most of their high school years in a somewhat pure Millennial atmosphere, being in K-12 schooling during 9/11, which makes the last to have a real memory of the event, have their main childhood in the "Millennial era" early 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 1.0, and the last to remember the "golden age" of the 90's; 1997-1999 lean Z for being born in the late 90's, having most of their high school years in a transitional era of Millennial and Z culture, not yet in K-12 during 9/11 but are probably the very last to have any memory of it, main childhood in the more established mid 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 2.0, and while they would have memory of the 90's leftover culture of the early 00's they remember the 90's itself): 1994-1999 (born in the mid-to-late 1990's, graduated high school post-Iraq War but pre-Parkland, elementary school years deeply rooted in the 00's post-Columbine and pre-Osama Bin Laden death, most of childhood of the early-mid 00's and most of elementary school post-9/11)
Generation Z: 1997-2012 (born from Clinton's second term in the late 90's to Obama's first term in the early 10's, entered K-12 post-9/11 but pre-Parkland, and most of K-5 during Web 2.0 but before a completely post-coronavirus "feel" as we are still in it)
Off-cusp Z'ers (Basically pure Z, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; born in the 2000's decade, absolutely don't remember 9/11 but could possibly have memories of a world before smartphones were dominated, graduated post-Parkland, and reached their double-digits in the 2010's and twenties in the 2020's): 2000-2009
Zalphas (Z/Alpha cusp; 2010-2012 lean Z for being born before the 2012 "end of the world", could remember the Trump election, last children of the 10's, most of elementary school before coronavirus, with the exception of 2012, and were in K-12 before Parkland; 2013-2015 lean Alpha for being born during a "new-normal" society, after the 2012 "end of the world", could probably not remember the Trump election, first children of the new "Roaring 20's", most of elementary after coronavirus pandemic, including 2012 babies, born after Sandy Hook and Newtown shooting, and entered K-12 after Parkland): 2010-2015 (born in the early-mid 10's)
For the archetypes:
I think off cusp Nomads are probably 1963-1979. I think that it's highly unlikely that 1963 borns were into disco and they weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter election, which was the event that singlehandedly brought us from 2T to 3T.
It's also of a great coincidence that 1984-2000 are 1363-1379 in the Persian calendar, and that the year after an impeachment tends to be very crazy:
*1868 had Andrew Johnson's impeachment. 1869 had Black Friday.
*1998 had Bill Clinton's impeachment. 1999 had the Columbine shooting and the Y2K scare.
*2019 had Donald Trump's impeachment. 2020 had the WW3 memes and the coronavirus scare. Coincidentally, 2019 and 2020 are 1398 and 1399 in the Persian calendar.
I'd say that core Artists is accurate for now. I don't think we could accurately determine the end of the Artist/Neo-Prophet cusp until this 4T ends (and arguably the Millennial saeculum in its entirety, which I am guessing will end in 2029 just because saeculums on average are about 84 years). 2021 does seem like a logical starting point for the cusp, considering that they will be the first wave of "quarantine baby boom" babies, but the ending point is uncertain. Talking more about saeculums, 1937 was the first year after birth rates reached an all-time low in 1936 and they are arguably the first "pre-Boomers" in this sense. It is also exactly 84 years before and the same Chinese zodiac animal as 2021.
For Cultural mainstream definitions:
I think you're dead on with them, and they're linear too.
I agree with all that. About the cutoff for "core" Artist and the Artist/Neo Prophet cusp, 2020 and 2021, even though they are born in the same decade, will probably be more of a gap than 2019 and 2020, but this is just an estimate, because 2020 seems to be transitional right now. About 2021 babies being the "first wave of 'quarantine baby boom' babies", they are not yet even being conceived during this time. It is mostly late December 2020 babies. That is surprising.
Similar to the 2020 and 2021 gap, 18 years prior, it seems that there is slightly more of a gap between 2002 babies and 2003 babies, then 2001 and 2002 babies. 2001 and 2002 babies were the children of the late 2000's, born around the turn of the millennium, right at the start of the 21st century, graduating high school before the post-coronavirus era (even though 2002 babies are in their last semester of high school right now, in the midst of it, and might not even graduate high school traditionally). 2001 could be a good end date for Millennials, and it feels like a neat 20 years for Millennials to come of age in the 2000's and 2010's (2000-2019), and 2001 babies were born before 9/11 and graduated high school entirely before the coronavirus outbreak, so they definitely have a lot of lasts, but nowadays I don't think that is a good enough end date because 2001 and 2002 are very similar. 2000 and 2001 have more differences, like one big contrast, being born in DIFFERENT millenniums, while still holding the 2 in the first digit. Of course, that does not mean that the one-year difference makes anybody completely different, I am just saying that their might be more of a relation with someone born in an odd year and someone born in an even year after them, rather than before them, if that makes remotely any sense. But there will always be exceptions, for example, a 1964 Gen Xer might have more in common with a 1965 Gen Xer than a 1963 Gen Xer, or a 1982 Millennial could be more similar to a 1983 Millennial than a 1981 Gen Xer, clearly because the former are actually in the same generation, while the latter are not.
IMO, I would rather end the Millennial generation at 2000 than 2001. And 2000 looks much neater, because they would be the last of the 20th century births. They were also born when the oldest Millennials graduated high school, and it also fits the Chinese Zodiac. Even though, as a 2002 baby, I believe that I am a tail-end Millennial, whether Millennials end in 2002 or 2004, I think 1982-2000 is the next best definition and is leaps-and-bounds better than 1982-2001. In fact, it is still commonly used by the US Census Bureau and I wouldn't mind starting Post-Millennials or Zoomers (anything other than Gen Z) at 2001. 2003 as an end date to me doesn't seem right at the moment, though, because if I include 2003, I feel like 2004 needs to be included. This might come off as complete nonsense or not relating to the topic at all, but I thought that it might be interesting to mention, but overall, relative to the AIDS epidemic in the early 3T affecting early-wave X the most, 9/11 in the later 3T affecting late-wave X and even some early-wave Millennials (Generation Y) the most, the 2008 crash, the official start of the 4T, affected early-wave Millennials the most, I think that late-wave Millennials (those born from the mid-90's to early-00's) will be the most affected by the coronavirus (that is closing down the high schools and colleges they attend) and apparent recession that is currently happening, which might be the apex of the 4T.
Though, about the off-cusp Nomads, I kind of felt tempted to start it at 1965, but 1964 seemed more practical. I couldn't find many reasons for the Prophet/Nomad cusp being 1958-1963, but I guess 1958 could because of graduating college in the 80's post-Iran hostage crisis and 1963 because they were the last to come of age in any sort in the 70's, as well as having a genuine teen and high school experience in the 70's, considering they spent most of high school then, and graduated high school pre-MTV.
But you definitely could make a case for 1963 being the start of the "core" of Gen X, because most of their childhood was within the 70's decade, they probably don't remember the Summer of Love in 1967, and graduated high school after the 1980 election, in which Ronald Reagan became president, and entered college in 1981, when the 1980's culture was more established and fully had a college experience in a Reagan-like America, and graduated college in what I think of as the official 3T start, 1985, which was also around the time when Gen X fully gained the youth culture, since the oldest were in their mid-twenties, and Boomers were distanced out of the youth culture, fully engaged in the adult world.
The 1958 cohort, to me, would be in the same position, and could possibly be the last "core" Boomers, because they were probably the last to have a full grasp of what was going on when the moon landed and Woodstock happened in 1969, the last to reliably have a memory of the JFK assassination since they were most likely 5-year-old kindergartners at the time, being the prime group of college kids for the disco craze of the late 70's, graduated high school during the Ford election, which was purely Boomer, while the Carter election seemed Gen Jones, and Reagan seemed much more Gen X, most likely graduated college before the 1980 election, the last born before Hawaii was a state, and the last group of stereotypical Boomer celebrities like Ellen Degeneres and so on, even though there are a lot of Joneser celebrities like MJ, Madonna, Prince, etc. Heck, even Keenen Ivory Wayans comes off more like X. So, I say 1958 is the last to have a somewhat stereotypical Boomer upbringing, but a bit Joneser to me. Same with 1963 on the Gen X side of things.
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(03-18-2020, 02:03 AM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)Ghost Wrote: (03-17-2020, 04:59 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 09:55 AM)Ghost Wrote: Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
I agree with this 100%. I do believe that those born in the very early 21st century would be the actual cusp, when it comes to generation archetypes. The cultural/mainstream generations seem to be right, since those born upto 1964 would be a demographic Boomer and mid-late 60s babies do have some Boomer qualities, late 70s and early 80s babies are always torn between X and Millennial, and mid-late 90s babies would be in-between Millennial and Z. I personally see myself as a tail-end Millennial cusper, but us early 00's babies do seem much more culturally Z, but still have some leftover Millennial traces.
Even though, it does make sense that the Gen Jones cusp would be 1959-1962 and 1961 would be the first to lean X, at the end of the day, those born from 1961-1964 will probably never truly know what generation they fall into because they are technically "set-in-stone" Baby Boomers, but feel much closer to Gen X, so they will always be in that in-between gen limbo. In fact, I might add on this:
S&H definitions, starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet; 1940-1942 lean Artist because they probably remember the end of WWII and were too old for the '60s young adult movements, and 1943-1945 lean Prophet because they can't remember WWII and were children of the '50's who were the oldest participating in the movements of the '60's): 1940-1945 (born in the early-mid '40s during the war, prior to the baby boom)
Off-cusp "Core" Prophets (100% Prophet or very close to it; those born on the edges will have some leftover Artist or rising Nomad qualities): 1946-1957 (the true "baby boom", roughly born from the late 40s to mid 50s and the main "yuppies" of the 80s; the older ones were the main activist, dodge-drafting hippies of the late 60s and early 70s)
Prophet/Nomad cusp: (a mix of Prophet & Nomad; 1958-1960 lean Prophet and 1961-1963 lean Nomad): 1958-1963 (born during the decline in birth rate, while still being high)
Off-cusp "Core" Nomads (100% Nomad or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Prophet or rising Hero qualities): 1964-1979 (the group that really resembles Nomads and were born at the end of the baby boom, entirety of the baby bust, and upto the rise of births from the mid 60's, throughout the 70's; graduated high school in the 80s and 90s, post-MTV but most likely graduated college pre-9/11)
Nomad/Hero cusp (a mix of Nomad & Hero; 1980-1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school in the 90's pre-Y2K and probably the last to remember the Challenger explosion, and 1982-1983 lean Hero for graduating high school in the 2000's and symbolic "new millennium" and can't remember the Challenger explosion): 1980-1983 (most disputed start and end dates for Millennials and Gen X; born in the early 80's; roughly the last to have the most of their childhood in the 80's, albeit late 80's, were in college during 9/11 and can't remember the end of the Awakening era before the start of the Unraveling)
Off-cusp "Core" Heroes (100% Hero or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Nomad or rising Artist qualities): 1984-2000 (born roughly from the mid-80's to the late 90's, last of the 20th century babies; children of the 90's and 2000's; graduated high school post-9/11 onward, and are the true teens and youth of the early 21st century, hence the term "Millennial")
Hero/Artist cusp (a mix of Hero & Artist; 2001-2002 lean Hero because they had most of their youth prior to the 2018 midterms and climate change crisis, graduate high school before the post-coronavirus atmosphere, last children of the 00's, born before the establishment of Homeland security and the last to reliably have memory of life during a somewhat prosperous time before the iPhone and 2008 crisis, and 2003-2004 lean Artist because they were children of the 10's, had most of their youth after the climate change crisis, and were born after the establishment of Homeland security and probably can't really remember life pre-iPhone and 2008 crisis): 2001-2004 (born in the very early 21st century and came of age around the predicted 2020 crisis, coronavirus and potential recession)
Off-cusp "Core" Artists (100% Artist or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Hero or rising Prophet qualities): 2005-2020 (I put the end date at 2020 because they were the last born before the aftermath of the coronvirus, even though they were born during it)
New Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet): 2021-TBD (born after coronavirus)
Cultural/Mainstream definitions (mainly Pew), starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Swing Generation (Silent/Boomer cusp; 1943-1945 lean Silent for being born during the war before the post-war baby boom and graduated high school before the JFK assassination but can't remember the war, 1946-1948 lean Boomer for being born during the post-war baby boom but graduated high school before the hippie movement): 1943-1948
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (born during the baby boom)
Off-cusp Boomers (Basically pure Boomers who graduated high school after the start of the hippie movement in the late 60s but before 1980 and the 1979 Iran-hostage crisis): 1949-1961
Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 lean Boomer for being born during the baby boom but graduated in the 80s, which seem to be very Xer-like, and probably did not get into the disco craze; 1965-1967 lean X for being after the baby boom, hence the baby bust, but were in high school when Gen X culture in high school was not fully set in yet so there was some Boomer influences there, and could vote graduated college in the 80's, which is a bit Boomer-like)
Generation X: 1965-1980
Off-cusp X'ers (Basically pure X; entered high school in a Gen X, MTV atmosphere and graduated high school before Windows 95, those on the edges could possibly have some influences from outside generations): 1968-1977
Xennials (X/Millennial cusp; 1978-1980 lean X for graduating high school pre-Columbine and had most of their high school years before the golden age of rap died when Tupac and Biggie died; 1981-1983 lean Millennial for graduating high school post-Columbine and had most of their youth and high school years in a more upbeat, positive, teen pop vibe): 1978-1983 (graduated high school post-Windows 95, but pre-9/11; most of elementary school after Challenger explosion but before collapse of USSR)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (K-12 post-Challenger but pre-9/11, graduated high school post-Columbine but pre-Isis and political "peak" of the 2010's, born during the Reagan era 80s, upto the first term of the Clinton presidency in the mid-90's)
Off-cusp Millennials (Basically pure Millennial, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; entered high school in a post-9/11 atmosphere but before the end of the Iraq War, the backlash of 9/11, most of the childhood in the the last decade of the 20th century, also were all teens and the main high school kids of the "noughties", and had most of their elementary school years post-USSR and pre-9/11): 1984-1993
Zillennials (Millennial/Z cusp; 1994-1996 lean Millennial for being born in the mid 90's, having most of their high school years in a somewhat pure Millennial atmosphere, being in K-12 schooling during 9/11, which makes the last to have a real memory of the event, have their main childhood in the "Millennial era" early 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 1.0, and the last to remember the "golden age" of the 90's; 1997-1999 lean Z for being born in the late 90's, having most of their high school years in a transitional era of Millennial and Z culture, not yet in K-12 during 9/11 but are probably the very last to have any memory of it, main childhood in the more established mid 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 2.0, and while they would have memory of the 90's leftover culture of the early 00's they remember the 90's itself): 1994-1999 (born in the mid-to-late 1990's, graduated high school post-Iraq War but pre-Parkland, elementary school years deeply rooted in the 00's post-Columbine and pre-Osama Bin Laden death, most of childhood of the early-mid 00's and most of elementary school post-9/11)
Generation Z: 1997-2012 (born from Clinton's second term in the late 90's to Obama's first term in the early 10's, entered K-12 post-9/11 but pre-Parkland, and most of K-5 during Web 2.0 but before a completely post-coronavirus "feel" as we are still in it)
Off-cusp Z'ers (Basically pure Z, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; born in the 2000's decade, absolutely don't remember 9/11 but could possibly have memories of a world before smartphones were dominated, graduated post-Parkland, and reached their double-digits in the 2010's and twenties in the 2020's): 2000-2009
Zalphas (Z/Alpha cusp; 2010-2012 lean Z for being born before the 2012 "end of the world", could remember the Trump election, last children of the 10's, most of elementary school before coronavirus, with the exception of 2012, and were in K-12 before Parkland; 2013-2015 lean Alpha for being born during a "new-normal" society, after the 2012 "end of the world", could probably not remember the Trump election, first children of the new "Roaring 20's", most of elementary after coronavirus pandemic, including 2012 babies, born after Sandy Hook and Newtown shooting, and entered K-12 after Parkland): 2010-2015 (born in the early-mid 10's)
For the archetypes:
I think off cusp Nomads are probably 1963-1979. I think that it's highly unlikely that 1963 borns were into disco and they weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter election, which was the event that singlehandedly brought us from 2T to 3T.
It's also of a great coincidence that 1984-2000 are 1363-1379 in the Persian calendar, and that the year after an impeachment tends to be very crazy:
*1868 had Andrew Johnson's impeachment. 1869 had Black Friday.
*1998 had Bill Clinton's impeachment. 1999 had the Columbine shooting and the Y2K scare.
*2019 had Donald Trump's impeachment. 2020 had the WW3 memes and the coronavirus scare. Coincidentally, 2019 and 2020 are 1398 and 1399 in the Persian calendar.
I'd say that core Artists is accurate for now. I don't think we could accurately determine the end of the Artist/Neo-Prophet cusp until this 4T ends (and arguably the Millennial saeculum in its entirety, which I am guessing will end in 2029 just because saeculums on average are about 84 years). 2021 does seem like a logical starting point for the cusp, considering that they will be the first wave of "quarantine baby boom" babies, but the ending point is uncertain. Talking more about saeculums, 1937 was the first year after birth rates reached an all-time low in 1936 and they are arguably the first "pre-Boomers" in this sense. It is also exactly 84 years before and the same Chinese zodiac animal as 2021.
For Cultural mainstream definitions:
I think you're dead on with them, and they're linear too.
I agree with all that. About the cutoff for "core" Artist and the Artist/Neo Prophet cusp, 2020 and 2021, even though they are born in the same decade, will probably be more of a gap than 2019 and 2020, but this is just an estimate, because 2020 seems to be transitional right now. About 2021 babies being the "first wave of 'quarantine baby boom' babies", they are not yet even being conceived during this time. It is mostly late December 2020 babies. That is surprising.
Similar to the 2020 and 2021 gap, 18 years prior, it seems that there is slightly more of a gap between 2002 babies and 2003 babies, then 2001 and 2002 babies. 2001 and 2002 babies were the children of the late 2000's, born around the turn of the millennium, right at the start of the 21st century, graduating high school before the post-coronavirus era (even though 2002 babies are in their last semester of high school right now, in the midst of it, and might not even graduate high school traditionally). 2001 could be a good end date for Millennials, and it feels like a neat 20 years for Millennials to come of age in the 2000's and 2010's (2000-2019), and 2001 babies were born before 9/11 and graduated high school entirely before the coronavirus outbreak, so they definitely have a lot of lasts, but nowadays I don't think that is a good enough end date because 2001 and 2002 are very similar. 2000 and 2001 have more differences, like one big contrast, being born in DIFFERENT millenniums, while still holding the 2 in the first digit. Of course, that does not mean that the one-year difference makes anybody completely different, I am just saying that their might be more of a relation with someone born in an odd year and someone born in an even year after them, rather than before them, if that makes remotely any sense. But there will always be exceptions, for example, a 1964 Gen Xer might have more in common with a 1965 Gen Xer than a 1963 Gen Xer, or a 1982 Millennial could be more similar to a 1983 Millennial than a 1981 Gen Xer, clearly because the former are actually in the same generation, while the latter are not.
IMO, I would rather end the Millennial generation at 2000 than 2001. And 2000 looks much neater, because they would be the last of the 20th century births. They were also born when the oldest Millennials graduated high school, and it also fits the Chinese Zodiac. Even though, as a 2002 baby, I believe that I am a tail-end Millennial, whether Millennials end in 2002 or 2004, I think 1982-2000 is the next best definition and is leaps-and-bounds better than 1982-2001. In fact, it is still commonly used by the US Census Bureau and I wouldn't mind starting Post-Millennials or Zoomers (anything other than Gen Z) at 2001. 2003 as an end date to me doesn't seem right at the moment, though, because if I include 2003, I feel like 2004 needs to be included. This might come off as complete nonsense or not relating to the topic at all, but I thought that it might be interesting to mention, but overall, relative to the AIDS epidemic in the early 3T affecting early-wave X the most, 9/11 in the later 3T affecting late-wave X and even some early-wave Millennials (Generation Y) the most, the 2008 crash, the official start of the 4T, affected early-wave Millennials the most, I think that late-wave Millennials (those born from the mid-90's to early-00's) will be the most affected by the coronavirus (that is closing down the high schools and colleges they attend) and apparent recession that is currently happening, which might be the apex of the 4T.
Though, about the off-cusp Nomads, I kind of felt tempted to start it at 1965, but 1964 seemed more practical. I couldn't find many reasons for the Prophet/Nomad cusp being 1958-1963, but I guess 1958 could because of graduating college in the 80's post-Iran hostage crisis and 1963 because they were the last to come of age in any sort in the 70's, as well as having a genuine teen and high school experience in the 70's, considering they spent most of high school then, and graduated high school pre-MTV.
But you definitely could make a case for 1963 being the start of the "core" of Gen X, because most of their childhood was within the 70's decade, they probably don't remember the Summer of Love in 1967, and graduated high school after the 1980 election, in which Ronald Reagan became president, and entered college in 1981, when the 1980's culture was more established and fully had a college experience in a Reagan-like America, and graduated college in what I think of as the official 3T start, 1985, which was also around the time when Gen X fully gained the youth culture, since the oldest were in their mid-twenties, and Boomers were distanced out of the youth culture, fully engaged in the adult world.
The 1958 cohort, to me, would be in the same position, and could possibly be the last "core" Boomers, because they were probably the last to have a full grasp of what was going on when the moon landed and Woodstock happened in 1969, the last to reliably have a memory of the JFK assassination since they were most likely 5-year-old kindergartners at the time, being the prime group of college kids for the disco craze of the late 70's, graduated high school during the Ford election, which was purely Boomer, while the Carter election seemed Gen Jones, and Reagan seemed much more Gen X, most likely graduated college before the 1980 election, the last born before Hawaii was a state, and the last group of stereotypical Boomer celebrities like Ellen Degeneres and so on, even though there are a lot of Joneser celebrities like MJ, Madonna, Prince, etc. Heck, even Keenen Ivory Wayans comes off more like X. So, I say 1958 is the last to have a somewhat stereotypical Boomer upbringing, but a bit Joneser to me. Same with 1963 on the Gen X side of things.
The Chinese zodiac is one of those reasons why 1982-2000 could work pretty well, and the Trump v. Hillary election does seem like the Reagan v. Carter election (both had Republican victories that "shocked America" at the time). We could have 1963-1964 as "tail end Boomers" (weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter but still were born before the birth rate dip of 1965; 1964 is a bigger outlier of the Boomers considering they graduated HS after the launch of MTV) and 1999-2000 as "tail end Millennials" (weren't able to vote in Trump v. Hillary but still were born before the official start of the third millennium; 2000 is a bigger outlier of the Millennials considering they graduated HS after the Parkland shooting) in this case. I think the 1982-2000 definition can work very well for both S&H and the cultural/mainstream generations.
Regarding the 2002-2003 gap: I view 2002 and 2003 similar to 1981 and 1982. The earlier birthyear has a lot of notable firsts but doesn't fulfill the generation's name, whereas the later does.
For 2002, it would be that they were born after 9/11, were still in elementary school when the Sandy Hook shooting took place and when the 2012 apocalypse was supposed to happen, and graduated high school after the Trump impeachment and the coronavirus scare. However, they don't fulfill the definition of a Homelander due to being born before the establishment of Homeland Security (2003 on the other hand does).
For 1981, it would be that they were born after the 2T/3T shift (Reagan v. Carter election), were still in elementary school during the breakthrough of grunge and the USSR collapse, and graduated high school after the Clinton impeachment and the Columbine shooting. However, they don't fulfill the definition of a Millennial due to graduating high school before Y2K (1982 on the other hand does).
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(03-18-2020, 06:26 AM)Ghost Wrote: (03-18-2020, 02:03 AM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)Ghost Wrote: (03-17-2020, 04:59 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: (03-17-2020, 09:55 AM)Ghost Wrote: Archetypes (rough estimates):
1959-1962: Prophet/Nomad cusp (1959-1960 are more on the Prophet side of things, 1961-1962 are more on the Nomad side of things)
1980-1983: Nomad/Hero cusp (1980-1981 are more on the Nomad side of things, 1982-1983 are more on the Hero side of things)
2001-2004: Hero/Artist cusp (2001-2002 are more on the Hero side of things, 2003-2004 are more on the Artist side of things)
Cultural/Mainstream Generations (rough estimates):
1962-1967: Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 are more on the Boomer side of things, 1965-1967 are more on the X side of things)
1978-1983: Xennials (1978-1980 are more on the X side of things, 1981-1983 are more on the Millennial side of things)
1994-1999: Zillennials (1994-1996 are more on the Millennial side of things, 1997-1999 are more on the Z side of things)
I agree with this 100%. I do believe that those born in the very early 21st century would be the actual cusp, when it comes to generation archetypes. The cultural/mainstream generations seem to be right, since those born upto 1964 would be a demographic Boomer and mid-late 60s babies do have some Boomer qualities, late 70s and early 80s babies are always torn between X and Millennial, and mid-late 90s babies would be in-between Millennial and Z. I personally see myself as a tail-end Millennial cusper, but us early 00's babies do seem much more culturally Z, but still have some leftover Millennial traces.
Even though, it does make sense that the Gen Jones cusp would be 1959-1962 and 1961 would be the first to lean X, at the end of the day, those born from 1961-1964 will probably never truly know what generation they fall into because they are technically "set-in-stone" Baby Boomers, but feel much closer to Gen X, so they will always be in that in-between gen limbo. In fact, I might add on this:
S&H definitions, starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet; 1940-1942 lean Artist because they probably remember the end of WWII and were too old for the '60s young adult movements, and 1943-1945 lean Prophet because they can't remember WWII and were children of the '50's who were the oldest participating in the movements of the '60's): 1940-1945 (born in the early-mid '40s during the war, prior to the baby boom)
Off-cusp "Core" Prophets (100% Prophet or very close to it; those born on the edges will have some leftover Artist or rising Nomad qualities): 1946-1957 (the true "baby boom", roughly born from the late 40s to mid 50s and the main "yuppies" of the 80s; the older ones were the main activist, dodge-drafting hippies of the late 60s and early 70s)
Prophet/Nomad cusp: (a mix of Prophet & Nomad; 1958-1960 lean Prophet and 1961-1963 lean Nomad): 1958-1963 (born during the decline in birth rate, while still being high)
Off-cusp "Core" Nomads (100% Nomad or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Prophet or rising Hero qualities): 1964-1979 (the group that really resembles Nomads and were born at the end of the baby boom, entirety of the baby bust, and upto the rise of births from the mid 60's, throughout the 70's; graduated high school in the 80s and 90s, post-MTV but most likely graduated college pre-9/11)
Nomad/Hero cusp (a mix of Nomad & Hero; 1980-1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school in the 90's pre-Y2K and probably the last to remember the Challenger explosion, and 1982-1983 lean Hero for graduating high school in the 2000's and symbolic "new millennium" and can't remember the Challenger explosion): 1980-1983 (most disputed start and end dates for Millennials and Gen X; born in the early 80's; roughly the last to have the most of their childhood in the 80's, albeit late 80's, were in college during 9/11 and can't remember the end of the Awakening era before the start of the Unraveling)
Off-cusp "Core" Heroes (100% Hero or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Nomad or rising Artist qualities): 1984-2000 (born roughly from the mid-80's to the late 90's, last of the 20th century babies; children of the 90's and 2000's; graduated high school post-9/11 onward, and are the true teens and youth of the early 21st century, hence the term "Millennial")
Hero/Artist cusp (a mix of Hero & Artist; 2001-2002 lean Hero because they had most of their youth prior to the 2018 midterms and climate change crisis, graduate high school before the post-coronavirus atmosphere, last children of the 00's, born before the establishment of Homeland security and the last to reliably have memory of life during a somewhat prosperous time before the iPhone and 2008 crisis, and 2003-2004 lean Artist because they were children of the 10's, had most of their youth after the climate change crisis, and were born after the establishment of Homeland security and probably can't really remember life pre-iPhone and 2008 crisis): 2001-2004 (born in the very early 21st century and came of age around the predicted 2020 crisis, coronavirus and potential recession)
Off-cusp "Core" Artists (100% Artist or very close to it those born on the edges will have some leftover Hero or rising Prophet qualities): 2005-2020 (I put the end date at 2020 because they were the last born before the aftermath of the coronvirus, even though they were born during it)
New Artist/Prophet cusp (a mix of Artist & Prophet): 2021-TBD (born after coronavirus)
Cultural/Mainstream definitions (mainly Pew), starting with Boomers upto Zoomers:
Swing Generation (Silent/Boomer cusp; 1943-1945 lean Silent for being born during the war before the post-war baby boom and graduated high school before the JFK assassination but can't remember the war, 1946-1948 lean Boomer for being born during the post-war baby boom but graduated high school before the hippie movement): 1943-1948
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (born during the baby boom)
Off-cusp Boomers (Basically pure Boomers who graduated high school after the start of the hippie movement in the late 60s but before 1980 and the 1979 Iran-hostage crisis): 1949-1961
Boomer/X cusp (1962-1964 lean Boomer for being born during the baby boom but graduated in the 80s, which seem to be very Xer-like, and probably did not get into the disco craze; 1965-1967 lean X for being after the baby boom, hence the baby bust, but were in high school when Gen X culture in high school was not fully set in yet so there was some Boomer influences there, and could vote graduated college in the 80's, which is a bit Boomer-like)
Generation X: 1965-1980
Off-cusp X'ers (Basically pure X; entered high school in a Gen X, MTV atmosphere and graduated high school before Windows 95, those on the edges could possibly have some influences from outside generations): 1968-1977
Xennials (X/Millennial cusp; 1978-1980 lean X for graduating high school pre-Columbine and had most of their high school years before the golden age of rap died when Tupac and Biggie died; 1981-1983 lean Millennial for graduating high school post-Columbine and had most of their youth and high school years in a more upbeat, positive, teen pop vibe): 1978-1983 (graduated high school post-Windows 95, but pre-9/11; most of elementary school after Challenger explosion but before collapse of USSR)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (K-12 post-Challenger but pre-9/11, graduated high school post-Columbine but pre-Isis and political "peak" of the 2010's, born during the Reagan era 80s, upto the first term of the Clinton presidency in the mid-90's)
Off-cusp Millennials (Basically pure Millennial, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; entered high school in a post-9/11 atmosphere but before the end of the Iraq War, the backlash of 9/11, most of the childhood in the the last decade of the 20th century, also were all teens and the main high school kids of the "noughties", and had most of their elementary school years post-USSR and pre-9/11): 1984-1993
Zillennials (Millennial/Z cusp; 1994-1996 lean Millennial for being born in the mid 90's, having most of their high school years in a somewhat pure Millennial atmosphere, being in K-12 schooling during 9/11, which makes the last to have a real memory of the event, have their main childhood in the "Millennial era" early 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 1.0, and the last to remember the "golden age" of the 90's; 1997-1999 lean Z for being born in the late 90's, having most of their high school years in a transitional era of Millennial and Z culture, not yet in K-12 during 9/11 but are probably the very last to have any memory of it, main childhood in the more established mid 00's, most of K-5 elementary school during Web 2.0, and while they would have memory of the 90's leftover culture of the early 00's they remember the 90's itself): 1994-1999 (born in the mid-to-late 1990's, graduated high school post-Iraq War but pre-Parkland, elementary school years deeply rooted in the 00's post-Columbine and pre-Osama Bin Laden death, most of childhood of the early-mid 00's and most of elementary school post-9/11)
Generation Z: 1997-2012 (born from Clinton's second term in the late 90's to Obama's first term in the early 10's, entered K-12 post-9/11 but pre-Parkland, and most of K-5 during Web 2.0 but before a completely post-coronavirus "feel" as we are still in it)
Off-cusp Z'ers (Basically pure Z, but could possibly have some leftover influences from the previous and succeeding generation; born in the 2000's decade, absolutely don't remember 9/11 but could possibly have memories of a world before smartphones were dominated, graduated post-Parkland, and reached their double-digits in the 2010's and twenties in the 2020's): 2000-2009
Zalphas (Z/Alpha cusp; 2010-2012 lean Z for being born before the 2012 "end of the world", could remember the Trump election, last children of the 10's, most of elementary school before coronavirus, with the exception of 2012, and were in K-12 before Parkland; 2013-2015 lean Alpha for being born during a "new-normal" society, after the 2012 "end of the world", could probably not remember the Trump election, first children of the new "Roaring 20's", most of elementary after coronavirus pandemic, including 2012 babies, born after Sandy Hook and Newtown shooting, and entered K-12 after Parkland): 2010-2015 (born in the early-mid 10's)
For the archetypes:
I think off cusp Nomads are probably 1963-1979. I think that it's highly unlikely that 1963 borns were into disco and they weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter election, which was the event that singlehandedly brought us from 2T to 3T.
It's also of a great coincidence that 1984-2000 are 1363-1379 in the Persian calendar, and that the year after an impeachment tends to be very crazy:
*1868 had Andrew Johnson's impeachment. 1869 had Black Friday.
*1998 had Bill Clinton's impeachment. 1999 had the Columbine shooting and the Y2K scare.
*2019 had Donald Trump's impeachment. 2020 had the WW3 memes and the coronavirus scare. Coincidentally, 2019 and 2020 are 1398 and 1399 in the Persian calendar.
I'd say that core Artists is accurate for now. I don't think we could accurately determine the end of the Artist/Neo-Prophet cusp until this 4T ends (and arguably the Millennial saeculum in its entirety, which I am guessing will end in 2029 just because saeculums on average are about 84 years). 2021 does seem like a logical starting point for the cusp, considering that they will be the first wave of "quarantine baby boom" babies, but the ending point is uncertain. Talking more about saeculums, 1937 was the first year after birth rates reached an all-time low in 1936 and they are arguably the first "pre-Boomers" in this sense. It is also exactly 84 years before and the same Chinese zodiac animal as 2021.
For Cultural mainstream definitions:
I think you're dead on with them, and they're linear too.
I agree with all that. About the cutoff for "core" Artist and the Artist/Neo Prophet cusp, 2020 and 2021, even though they are born in the same decade, will probably be more of a gap than 2019 and 2020, but this is just an estimate, because 2020 seems to be transitional right now. About 2021 babies being the "first wave of 'quarantine baby boom' babies", they are not yet even being conceived during this time. It is mostly late December 2020 babies. That is surprising.
Similar to the 2020 and 2021 gap, 18 years prior, it seems that there is slightly more of a gap between 2002 babies and 2003 babies, then 2001 and 2002 babies. 2001 and 2002 babies were the children of the late 2000's, born around the turn of the millennium, right at the start of the 21st century, graduating high school before the post-coronavirus era (even though 2002 babies are in their last semester of high school right now, in the midst of it, and might not even graduate high school traditionally). 2001 could be a good end date for Millennials, and it feels like a neat 20 years for Millennials to come of age in the 2000's and 2010's (2000-2019), and 2001 babies were born before 9/11 and graduated high school entirely before the coronavirus outbreak, so they definitely have a lot of lasts, but nowadays I don't think that is a good enough end date because 2001 and 2002 are very similar. 2000 and 2001 have more differences, like one big contrast, being born in DIFFERENT millenniums, while still holding the 2 in the first digit. Of course, that does not mean that the one-year difference makes anybody completely different, I am just saying that their might be more of a relation with someone born in an odd year and someone born in an even year after them, rather than before them, if that makes remotely any sense. But there will always be exceptions, for example, a 1964 Gen Xer might have more in common with a 1965 Gen Xer than a 1963 Gen Xer, or a 1982 Millennial could be more similar to a 1983 Millennial than a 1981 Gen Xer, clearly because the former are actually in the same generation, while the latter are not.
IMO, I would rather end the Millennial generation at 2000 than 2001. And 2000 looks much neater, because they would be the last of the 20th century births. They were also born when the oldest Millennials graduated high school, and it also fits the Chinese Zodiac. Even though, as a 2002 baby, I believe that I am a tail-end Millennial, whether Millennials end in 2002 or 2004, I think 1982-2000 is the next best definition and is leaps-and-bounds better than 1982-2001. In fact, it is still commonly used by the US Census Bureau and I wouldn't mind starting Post-Millennials or Zoomers (anything other than Gen Z) at 2001. 2003 as an end date to me doesn't seem right at the moment, though, because if I include 2003, I feel like 2004 needs to be included. This might come off as complete nonsense or not relating to the topic at all, but I thought that it might be interesting to mention, but overall, relative to the AIDS epidemic in the early 3T affecting early-wave X the most, 9/11 in the later 3T affecting late-wave X and even some early-wave Millennials (Generation Y) the most, the 2008 crash, the official start of the 4T, affected early-wave Millennials the most, I think that late-wave Millennials (those born from the mid-90's to early-00's) will be the most affected by the coronavirus (that is closing down the high schools and colleges they attend) and apparent recession that is currently happening, which might be the apex of the 4T.
Though, about the off-cusp Nomads, I kind of felt tempted to start it at 1965, but 1964 seemed more practical. I couldn't find many reasons for the Prophet/Nomad cusp being 1958-1963, but I guess 1958 could because of graduating college in the 80's post-Iran hostage crisis and 1963 because they were the last to come of age in any sort in the 70's, as well as having a genuine teen and high school experience in the 70's, considering they spent most of high school then, and graduated high school pre-MTV.
But you definitely could make a case for 1963 being the start of the "core" of Gen X, because most of their childhood was within the 70's decade, they probably don't remember the Summer of Love in 1967, and graduated high school after the 1980 election, in which Ronald Reagan became president, and entered college in 1981, when the 1980's culture was more established and fully had a college experience in a Reagan-like America, and graduated college in what I think of as the official 3T start, 1985, which was also around the time when Gen X fully gained the youth culture, since the oldest were in their mid-twenties, and Boomers were distanced out of the youth culture, fully engaged in the adult world.
The 1958 cohort, to me, would be in the same position, and could possibly be the last "core" Boomers, because they were probably the last to have a full grasp of what was going on when the moon landed and Woodstock happened in 1969, the last to reliably have a memory of the JFK assassination since they were most likely 5-year-old kindergartners at the time, being the prime group of college kids for the disco craze of the late 70's, graduated high school during the Ford election, which was purely Boomer, while the Carter election seemed Gen Jones, and Reagan seemed much more Gen X, most likely graduated college before the 1980 election, the last born before Hawaii was a state, and the last group of stereotypical Boomer celebrities like Ellen Degeneres and so on, even though there are a lot of Joneser celebrities like MJ, Madonna, Prince, etc. Heck, even Keenen Ivory Wayans comes off more like X. So, I say 1958 is the last to have a somewhat stereotypical Boomer upbringing, but a bit Joneser to me. Same with 1963 on the Gen X side of things.
The Chinese zodiac is one of those reasons why 1982-2000 could work pretty well, and the Trump v. Hillary election does seem like the Reagan v. Carter election (both had Republican victories that "shocked America" at the time). We could have 1963-1964 as "tail end Boomers" (weren't able to vote in the Reagan v. Carter but still were born before the birth rate dip of 1965; 1964 is a bigger outlier of the Boomers considering they graduated HS after the launch of MTV) and 1999-2000 as "tail end Millennials" (weren't able to vote in Trump v. Hillary but still were born before the official start of the third millennium; 2000 is a bigger outlier of the Millennials considering they graduated HS after the Parkland shooting) in this case. I think the 1982-2000 definition can work very well for both S&H and the cultural/mainstream generations.
Regarding the 2002-2003 gap: I view 2002 and 2003 similar to 1981 and 1982. The earlier birthyear has a lot of notable firsts but doesn't fulfill the generation's name, whereas the later does.
For 2002, it would be that they were born after 9/11, were still in elementary school when the Sandy Hook shooting took place and when the 2012 apocalypse was supposed to happen, and graduated high school after the Trump impeachment and the coronavirus scare. However, they don't fulfill the definition of a Homelander due to being born before the establishment of Homeland Security (2003 on the other hand does).
For 1981, it would be that they were born after the 2T/3T shift (Reagan v. Carter election), were still in elementary school during the breakthrough of grunge and the USSR collapse, and graduated high school after the Clinton impeachment and the Columbine shooting. However, they don't fulfill the definition of a Millennial due to graduating high school before Y2K (1982 on the other hand does).
The 1982-2000 definition does work best for both S&H and cultural/mainstream definitions. This should be the standard that everyone agrees with, but demographers are stuck on less significant changes that are misread as a generation gap, having it much shorter and ending in the 90s. If I was to talk about generations on a website like Reddit, I would probably use the 1946-1964 Boomer, 1965-1981 Gen X, 1982-2000 Millennial, and 2001+ Gen Z definitions, even though I might be more inclined to use the 1965-1980 Gen X, 1981-1996 Millennial, and 1997-2012 Pew 16-year definition, which is not significant enough for a generation and I think should fade away. On the bright side, the McCrindle 1965-1979, 1980-1994, 1995-2009, and even 2010-2024 Gen Alpha definitions are fading away.
Overall, I still believe that Gen X is 1961-1981 and Millennials should definitely start in 1982 and end in 2002, even though 2000 & 2004 could work, though 2004 is probably more of Homelander due to being born after the establishment of Homeland security.
1998 babies are IMO the last comfortable Millennials, even though anybody born upto 2000 is safely Millennial.
Also, with the last birth year of Gen X and Millennials, they were born after a historical event in the US, and graduate high school after a president's impeachment, followed by another historical event.
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I agree with the S&H dates. This is about S&H after all. We don't have to buy the demographic Pew dates.
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03-21-2020, 05:46 AM
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1982 is a bad date to start the Millennial generation. If "not remembering the 2T" is the criterion, then the start date is 1977, since they won't remember the times before Reagan and Thatcher. The essence of the 3T was market liberalism and it started with these elections. But if the criterion is "coming of age during the 4T", then the correct date is 1986 or even 88. A good compromise is to classify all people born between 1977-1985 as Xennials, which are a hybrid type. They were raised as Civics but acquired some Nomad traits, having some adult experience of the 3T.
1982 is a remnant of the Y2K hype.
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03-21-2020, 09:32 AM
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(03-21-2020, 05:46 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: 1982 is a bad date to start the Millennial generation. If "not remembering the 2T" is the criterion, then the start date is 1977, since they won't remember the times before Reagan and Thatcher. The essence of the 3T was market liberalism and it started with these elections. But if the criterion is "coming of age during the 4T", then the correct date is 1986 or even 88. A good compromise is to classify all people born between 1977-1985 as Xennials, which are a hybrid type. They were raised as Civics but acquired some Nomad traits, having some adult experience of the 3T.
First, neither Reagan nor Thatcher flipped their countries to the right immediately. It was a process that seemed to coalesce in the 1983+/- time frame. Prior to that, the political discussion was still actively left v right. After that, it was right v far right.
Blazkovitz Wrote:1982 is a remnant of the Y2K hype.
Was Y2K hype or a successful proactive intervention? Almost all of the antiquated H/W and S/W that used two-digit dating for years was eliminated before the trigger date. How do you know that this wasn't more akin to vaccinations before the epidemic arrived?
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I believe that I mentioned this in the paleo 4T site....
I was born in 1956. There were two individuals in my high school class who were true hippies, a boy and a girl. So far as I know this cohort was the last with real hippies, though perhaps there were hippy wannabes in the late '50s cohorts.
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Are early even decade cohorts usually cusps of two generations?
