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Each Generation's Name (since Revolutionary Saeculum) Ranked
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(03-11-2020, 07:54 AM)Ghost Wrote:
(03-11-2020, 12:14 AM)Cocoa Puff Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 10:12 PM)Ghost Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 07:28 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: I might be wrong here, but I think this is just an estimated range for transitions and cores of generations, which I think might be interesting. At the end of the say, it all depends on the person, unless you are in the core, which would only be by birth year and not experiences.

The generational percentage from GI/Silent to Millennial/Homeland (don't know much about the traits of the GIs and prior), going by S&H Definitions (except Millennial end date & Homeland start date):

Core GIs and earlier - b. 1919-earlier
1919 - before = 100% GI

GI/Silent transition (a.k.a. Hero/Artist transition) - Generally b. 1922-1927; b. 1920-1929 at the farthest

1920 - 91% GI (Hero): 9% Silent (Artist) - Definitely GI with a hint of Silent; the beginning of the transition
1921 - 82% GI (Hero): 18% Silent (Artist) - Predominantly GI with minor Silent traits
1922 - 73% GI (Hero): 27% Silent (Artist) - When the transition truly starts
1923 - 64% GI (Hero): 36% Silent (Artist)
1924 - 55% GI (Hero): 45% Silent (Artist) - The demarcation line for end of GI's
1925 - 45% GI (Hero): 55% Silent (Artist) - The demarcation line for start of Silents
1926 - 36% GI (Hero): 64% Silent (Artist) 
1927 - 27% GI (Hero): 73% Silent (Artist) - When the transition truly ends
1928 - 18% GI (Hero): 82% Silent (Artist) - Predominantly Silent with minor GI traits
1929 - 9% GI (Hero): 91% Silent (Artist) - Definitely Silent with a hint of GI; the end of the transition

Core Silents (a.k.a. 100% Artist)- Definitely b. 1930-1937;  b. 1928-1939 at the farthest
1930 - 1937 - 100% Silent (Artist)

Silent/Boomer transition (a.k.a. Artist/Prophet transition; Swing Generation) - Generally b. 1940-1945; b. 1938-1947 at the farthest

1938 - 95% Silent (Artist): 5% Boomer (Prophet) - Definitely Silent with a hint of Boomer; the beginning of the transition
1939 - 90% Silent (Artist): 10% Boomer (Prophet) - Predominantly Silent with minor Boomer traits
1940 - 80% Silent (Artist): 20% Boomer (Prophet) - When the transition truly starts
1941 - 65% Silent (Artist): 35% Boomer (Prophet)
1942 - 55% Silent (Artist): 45% Boomer (Prophet) - The demarcation line for end of Silents
1943 - 45% Silent (Artist): 55% Boomer (Prophet) - The demarcation line for start of Boomers
1944 - 35% Silent (Artist): 65% Boomer (Prophet)
1945 - 20% Silent (Artist): 80% Boomer (Prophet) - When the transition truly ends
1946 - 10% Silent (Artist): 90% Boomer (Prophet) - Predominantly Boomer with minor Silent traits
1947 - 5% Silent (Artist): 95% Boomer (Prophet) - Definitely Boomer with a hint of Silent; the end of the transition

Core Boomer transition (a.k.a. 100% Prophet) - Definitely b. 1948-1954; b. 1946-1957 at the farthest
1948 - 1954 - 100% Boomer (Prophet)


Boomer/X transition (a.k.a. Prophet/Nomad transition; Generation Jones) - Generally b. 1958-1964; b. 1955-1966 at the farthest

1955 - 95% Boomer (Prophet): 5% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely Boomer with a hint of X; the beginning of the transition
1956 - 90% Boomer (Prophet): 10% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly Boomer with minor X traits
1957 - 85% Boomer (Prophet): 15% X'er (Nomad) - Mostly Boomer with some X traits
1958 - 80% Boomer (Prophet): 20% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly starts
1959 - 70% Boomer (Prophet): 30% X'er (Nomad) 
1960 - 60% Boomer (Prophet): 40% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for end of Boomers
1961 - 40% Boomer (Prophet): 60% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for start of X
1962 - 30% Boomer (Prophet): 70% X'er (Nomad) 
1963 - 25% Boomer (Prophet): 75% X'er (Nomad) 
1964 - 20% Boomer (Prophet): 80% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly ends
1965 - 10% Boomer (Prophet): 90% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly X with minor Boomer traits
1966 - 5% Boomer (Prophet): 95% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely X with a hint of Boomer; the end of the transition

Core X (a.k.a. 100% Nomad) - Definitely b. 1967-1974; b. 1965-1976 at the farthest
1967 - 1974 - 100% X'er (Nomad)

X/Millennial transition (a.k.a. Nomad/Hero transition; Generation Y, Xennial) - Generally b. 1977-1986; b. 1975-1988 at the farthest

1975 - 96% X'er (Nomad): 4% Millennial (Hero) - Definitely X with a hint of Millennial; the beginning of the transition
1976 - 92% X'er (Nomad): 8% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly X with minor Millennial traits
1977 - 88% X'er (Nomad): 12% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly starts
1978 - 80% X'er (Nomad): 20% Millennial (Hero)
1979 - 72% X'er (Nomad): 28% Millennial (Hero)
1980 - 64% X'er (Nomad): 36% Millennial (Hero)
1981 - 56% X'er (Nomad): 44% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for end of X
1982 - 48% X'er (Nomad): 52% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for start of Millennial
1983 - 40% X'er (Nomad): 60% Millennial (Hero) 
1984 - 32% X'er (Nomad): 68% Millennial (Hero)  
1985 - 24% X'er (Nomad): 76% Millennial (Hero) 
1986 - 16% X'er (Nomad): 84% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly ends
1987 - 8% X'er (Nomad): 92% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly Millennial with minor X traits
1988 - 4% X'er (Nomad): 96% Millennial (Hero) -Definitely Millennial with a hint of X; the end of the transition

Core Millennial (a.k.a. 100% Hero) - Definitely b. 1989-1994; b. 1987-1996 at the farthest
1989 - 1994 - 100% Millennial (Hero)

Millennial/Homeland transition (a.k.a. Hero/Artist transition; Generation Z, Zillennial) - Generally b. 1997-2005; b. 1995-2007 at the farthest

1995 - 96% Millennial (Hero): 4% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Homeland; the beginning of the transition
1996 - 92% Millennial (Hero): 8% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Homeland traits
1997 - 88% Millennial (Hero): 12% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly starts
1998 - 84% Millennial (Hero): 16% Homeland (Artist)
1999 - 72% Millennial (Hero): 24% Homeland (Artist)
2000 - 68% Millennial (Hero): 32% Homeland (Artist)
2001 - 60% Millennial (Hero): 40% Homeland (Artist)
2002 - 52% Millennial (Hero): 48% Homeland (Artist) - The demarcation line for end of Millennial
2003 - 44% Millennial (Hero): 56% Homeland (Artist) - The demarcation line for start of Homeland
2004 - 36% Millennial (Hero): 64% Homeland (Artist)
2005 - 28% Millennial (Hero): 72% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly ends
2006 - 12% Millennial (Hero): 88% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Millennial traits
2007 - 4% Millennial (Hero): 96% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Millennial; the end of the transition

Core Homeland and later - b. 2008-onward
2008-onward - 100% Homeland - beyond

I'm going to take a stab here, but what are your thoughts on this one?

The Prophet/Nomad transition

1954: 100% Prophet 
1955: 92% Prophet, 8% Nomad (the transition begins - they started elementary school after the birth control pill was introduced, spent most of their elementary school years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and graduated high school after the legalization of abortion)
1956: 84% Prophet, 16% Nomad
1957: 76% Prophet, 24% Nomad (probably the first somewhat cusp year, considering they graduated high school after the Vietnam War ended)
1958: 68% Prophet, 32% Nomad
1959: 60% Prophet, 40% Nomad
1960: 52% Prophet, 48% Nomad
1961: 44% Prophet, 56% Nomad (the first year leaning towards Nomad, as 1961 is a common starting point for Gen X)
1962: 36% Prophet, 64% Nomad
1963: 28% Prophet, 72% Nomad
1964: 20% Prophet, 80% Nomad (probably the last somewhat cusp year, considering they were born before the decline in birth rates in 1965)
1965: 12% Prophet, 88% Nomad
1966: 4% Prophet, 96% Nomad (the transition ends - they were the last to vote in the Reagan vs Mondale election)
1967: 100% Nomad

The Nomad/Hero Transition

1975: 100% Nomad
1976: 92% Nomad, 8% Hero (the transition begins - they started elementary school after the Reagan v. Carter election, started high school after the Berlin Wall fell, and graduated high school after Kurt Cobain committed suicide)
1977: 84% Nomad, 16% Hero
1978: 76% Nomad, 24% Hero (the first somewhat cusp year, considering that they spent most of their elementary school years after the Challenger explosion, started high school after Nirvana released Nevermind, and graduated high school after Windows 95 was released)
1979: 68% Nomad, 32% Hero
1980: 60% Nomad, 40% Hero
1981: 52% Nomad, 48% Hero
1982: 44% Nomad, 56% Hero (the first year leaning towards Hero - they graduated high school in a year that begins with a 2)
1983: 36% Nomad, 64% Hero
1984: 28% Nomad, 72% Hero
1985: 20% Nomad, 80% Hero (the last somewhat cusp year, considering they entered high school before Y2K and were the last to be born before stereotypical Millennial celebrities, such as Amanda Bynes and Lindsay Lohan, were born)
1986: 12% Nomad, 88% Hero
1987: 4% Nomad, 96% Hero (the transition ends - they were the last to enter elementary school before the Bush v. Clinton election and were the last to be at middle school at the time the Columbine shooting took place)
1988: 100% Hero

The Hero/Artist transition

1996: 100% Hero
1997: 92% Hero, 8% Artist (the transition begins - they weren't at school yet when 9/11 took place, were still in elementary school when the iPhone was released, and graduated high school after Gamergate)
1998: 84% Hero, 16% Artist
1999: 76% Hero, 24% Artist (probably the first somewhat cusp year, considering they started high school after electropop fizzled out and graduated high school after Trump's victory)
2000: 68% Hero, 32% Artist
2001: 60% Hero, 40% Artist
2002: 52% Hero, 48% Artist
2003: 44% Hero, 56% Artist (the first year leaning towards Homelander, as they were the first to be born after the establishment of Homeland Security. Not to mention that Greta Thunberg was born in this year)
2004: 36% Hero, 64% Artist
2005: 28% Hero, 72% Artist
2006: 20% Hero, 80% Artist (probably the last somewhat cusp year, considering there are some sources that stretch the Millennial definition to 2006 and that they were no longer elementary school when the Parkland shooting took place)
2007: 12% Hero, 88% Artist
2008: 4% Hero, 96% Artist (the transition ends - they were no longer at elementary school when Trump was impeached and when the coronavirus scare began in the US)
2009: 100% Artist

This also seems to coincide with the "one saeculum equals one Uranus cycle or 84 years" rule mentioned by some users on this website.

I actually think this is more clean than mine. Especially since you gave some facts about some birth years. And it probably does make sense for 2008 to be the last birth year with any Hero traits because they were the last born before the 2008 Crisis. 2009 would be the first 100% Artists, right before entering the 2010s. 

Just guessing, you would probably have Core Prophets end in 1954 (it would probably start in 1946 or 1947). 
1955-1966 are the Prophet/Nomad transition
1967-1975 are Core Nomads
1976-1987 are the Nomad/Hero transition 
1988-1996 are Core Heroes
1997-2008 are the Hero/Artist transition 
2009-? are Core Artists

Prophets in the Millennial Saeculum - b. 1960 and before
Nomads in the Millennial Saeculum - b. 1961-1981
Heroes in the Millennial Saeculum- b. 1982-2002
Artists in the Millennial Saeculum- b. 2003-202x

Do you agree with the transitions, or was it
just an interesting generation discussion?

I agree with the periods you described. What are your thoughts on this cusp chart?

Prophet/Nomad cusp: 1959-1962 (the new voters in the Reagan v. Carter election)
1959 and 1960 lean Prophet because they were already in high school during the end of the Watergate scandal.
1961 and 1962 lean Nomad because they weren't in high school yet during the end of the Watergate scandal.

Nomad/Hero cusp: 1980-1983 (high schoolers during the rise of Y2K-era trends and college students when 9/11 took place)
1980 and 1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school before Y2K.
1982 and 1983 lean Hero because they graduated high school after Y2K (this is why they are seen as "Millennials").

Hero/Artist cusp: 2001-2004 (high schoolers during the Notre Dame fires and when people like Billie Eilish started to become more popular)
2001 and 2002 lean Hero because they entered elementary school before the Recession, will graduate high school before this election, and were born before the establishment of Homeland Security.
2003 and 2004 lean Artist because they entered elementary school after the Recession, will graduated high school after this election, and were born after the establishment of Homeland Security (this is why they are seen as "Homelanders").
I definitely agree with the cusp dates. Especially the Early 80s baby one, because they are really in the X/Millennial cusp, since most sources start “Y” in 1980 at the earliest and X at 1983 at the latest, most starting it in 1982. Mid 80s babies are cuspy Hero with Nomad traits, and Late 70s babies are cuspy Nomad with some Hero traits. I also agree with the Hero/Artist cusp for those born in the VERY Early 21st century (2001-2004, or Early 2000s babies), in which I would comfortably fall in. Mid-Late 90s babies (including 2000) are more safely Millennial. As for the Jones cusp, that one is pretty accurate. The Early 60s babies are really in-between the Boom and X, whereas Late 50s babies are more Younger  Boom, while Mid 60s babies are more deeply rooted in X than they realize.

Anyways, do you think that cusp always has to be perfectly even on both sides, could there be a leaning on one side, like the cusp being just the late part or even early part of a generation until a new generation actually starts when the 100% traits come in earlier than usual (for example: late 40s babies for Boomers), and vice-versa for the end of a generation?
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#22
(03-11-2020, 04:00 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote:
(03-11-2020, 07:54 AM)Ghost Wrote:
(03-11-2020, 12:14 AM)Cocoa Puff Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 10:12 PM)Ghost Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 07:28 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: I might be wrong here, but I think this is just an estimated range for transitions and cores of generations, which I think might be interesting. At the end of the say, it all depends on the person, unless you are in the core, which would only be by birth year and not experiences.

The generational percentage from GI/Silent to Millennial/Homeland (don't know much about the traits of the GIs and prior), going by S&H Definitions (except Millennial end date & Homeland start date):

Core GIs and earlier - b. 1919-earlier
1919 - before = 100% GI

GI/Silent transition (a.k.a. Hero/Artist transition) - Generally b. 1922-1927; b. 1920-1929 at the farthest

1920 - 91% GI (Hero): 9% Silent (Artist) - Definitely GI with a hint of Silent; the beginning of the transition
1921 - 82% GI (Hero): 18% Silent (Artist) - Predominantly GI with minor Silent traits
1922 - 73% GI (Hero): 27% Silent (Artist) - When the transition truly starts
1923 - 64% GI (Hero): 36% Silent (Artist)
1924 - 55% GI (Hero): 45% Silent (Artist) - The demarcation line for end of GI's
1925 - 45% GI (Hero): 55% Silent (Artist) - The demarcation line for start of Silents
1926 - 36% GI (Hero): 64% Silent (Artist) 
1927 - 27% GI (Hero): 73% Silent (Artist) - When the transition truly ends
1928 - 18% GI (Hero): 82% Silent (Artist) - Predominantly Silent with minor GI traits
1929 - 9% GI (Hero): 91% Silent (Artist) - Definitely Silent with a hint of GI; the end of the transition

Core Silents (a.k.a. 100% Artist)- Definitely b. 1930-1937;  b. 1928-1939 at the farthest
1930 - 1937 - 100% Silent (Artist)

Silent/Boomer transition (a.k.a. Artist/Prophet transition; Swing Generation) - Generally b. 1940-1945; b. 1938-1947 at the farthest

1938 - 95% Silent (Artist): 5% Boomer (Prophet) - Definitely Silent with a hint of Boomer; the beginning of the transition
1939 - 90% Silent (Artist): 10% Boomer (Prophet) - Predominantly Silent with minor Boomer traits
1940 - 80% Silent (Artist): 20% Boomer (Prophet) - When the transition truly starts
1941 - 65% Silent (Artist): 35% Boomer (Prophet)
1942 - 55% Silent (Artist): 45% Boomer (Prophet) - The demarcation line for end of Silents
1943 - 45% Silent (Artist): 55% Boomer (Prophet) - The demarcation line for start of Boomers
1944 - 35% Silent (Artist): 65% Boomer (Prophet)
1945 - 20% Silent (Artist): 80% Boomer (Prophet) - When the transition truly ends
1946 - 10% Silent (Artist): 90% Boomer (Prophet) - Predominantly Boomer with minor Silent traits
1947 - 5% Silent (Artist): 95% Boomer (Prophet) - Definitely Boomer with a hint of Silent; the end of the transition

Core Boomer transition (a.k.a. 100% Prophet) - Definitely b. 1948-1954; b. 1946-1957 at the farthest
1948 - 1954 - 100% Boomer (Prophet)


Boomer/X transition (a.k.a. Prophet/Nomad transition; Generation Jones) - Generally b. 1958-1964; b. 1955-1966 at the farthest

1955 - 95% Boomer (Prophet): 5% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely Boomer with a hint of X; the beginning of the transition
1956 - 90% Boomer (Prophet): 10% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly Boomer with minor X traits
1957 - 85% Boomer (Prophet): 15% X'er (Nomad) - Mostly Boomer with some X traits
1958 - 80% Boomer (Prophet): 20% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly starts
1959 - 70% Boomer (Prophet): 30% X'er (Nomad) 
1960 - 60% Boomer (Prophet): 40% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for end of Boomers
1961 - 40% Boomer (Prophet): 60% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for start of X
1962 - 30% Boomer (Prophet): 70% X'er (Nomad) 
1963 - 25% Boomer (Prophet): 75% X'er (Nomad) 
1964 - 20% Boomer (Prophet): 80% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly ends
1965 - 10% Boomer (Prophet): 90% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly X with minor Boomer traits
1966 - 5% Boomer (Prophet): 95% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely X with a hint of Boomer; the end of the transition

Core X (a.k.a. 100% Nomad) - Definitely b. 1967-1974; b. 1965-1976 at the farthest
1967 - 1974 - 100% X'er (Nomad)

X/Millennial transition (a.k.a. Nomad/Hero transition; Generation Y, Xennial) - Generally b. 1977-1986; b. 1975-1988 at the farthest

1975 - 96% X'er (Nomad): 4% Millennial (Hero) - Definitely X with a hint of Millennial; the beginning of the transition
1976 - 92% X'er (Nomad): 8% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly X with minor Millennial traits
1977 - 88% X'er (Nomad): 12% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly starts
1978 - 80% X'er (Nomad): 20% Millennial (Hero)
1979 - 72% X'er (Nomad): 28% Millennial (Hero)
1980 - 64% X'er (Nomad): 36% Millennial (Hero)
1981 - 56% X'er (Nomad): 44% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for end of X
1982 - 48% X'er (Nomad): 52% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for start of Millennial
1983 - 40% X'er (Nomad): 60% Millennial (Hero) 
1984 - 32% X'er (Nomad): 68% Millennial (Hero)  
1985 - 24% X'er (Nomad): 76% Millennial (Hero) 
1986 - 16% X'er (Nomad): 84% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly ends
1987 - 8% X'er (Nomad): 92% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly Millennial with minor X traits
1988 - 4% X'er (Nomad): 96% Millennial (Hero) -Definitely Millennial with a hint of X; the end of the transition

Core Millennial (a.k.a. 100% Hero) - Definitely b. 1989-1994; b. 1987-1996 at the farthest
1989 - 1994 - 100% Millennial (Hero)

Millennial/Homeland transition (a.k.a. Hero/Artist transition; Generation Z, Zillennial) - Generally b. 1997-2005; b. 1995-2007 at the farthest

1995 - 96% Millennial (Hero): 4% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Homeland; the beginning of the transition
1996 - 92% Millennial (Hero): 8% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Homeland traits
1997 - 88% Millennial (Hero): 12% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly starts
1998 - 84% Millennial (Hero): 16% Homeland (Artist)
1999 - 72% Millennial (Hero): 24% Homeland (Artist)
2000 - 68% Millennial (Hero): 32% Homeland (Artist)
2001 - 60% Millennial (Hero): 40% Homeland (Artist)
2002 - 52% Millennial (Hero): 48% Homeland (Artist) - The demarcation line for end of Millennial
2003 - 44% Millennial (Hero): 56% Homeland (Artist) - The demarcation line for start of Homeland
2004 - 36% Millennial (Hero): 64% Homeland (Artist)
2005 - 28% Millennial (Hero): 72% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly ends
2006 - 12% Millennial (Hero): 88% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Millennial traits
2007 - 4% Millennial (Hero): 96% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Millennial; the end of the transition

Core Homeland and later - b. 2008-onward
2008-onward - 100% Homeland - beyond

I'm going to take a stab here, but what are your thoughts on this one?

The Prophet/Nomad transition

1954: 100% Prophet 
1955: 92% Prophet, 8% Nomad (the transition begins - they started elementary school after the birth control pill was introduced, spent most of their elementary school years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and graduated high school after the legalization of abortion)
1956: 84% Prophet, 16% Nomad
1957: 76% Prophet, 24% Nomad (probably the first somewhat cusp year, considering they graduated high school after the Vietnam War ended)
1958: 68% Prophet, 32% Nomad
1959: 60% Prophet, 40% Nomad
1960: 52% Prophet, 48% Nomad
1961: 44% Prophet, 56% Nomad (the first year leaning towards Nomad, as 1961 is a common starting point for Gen X)
1962: 36% Prophet, 64% Nomad
1963: 28% Prophet, 72% Nomad
1964: 20% Prophet, 80% Nomad (probably the last somewhat cusp year, considering they were born before the decline in birth rates in 1965)
1965: 12% Prophet, 88% Nomad
1966: 4% Prophet, 96% Nomad (the transition ends - they were the last to vote in the Reagan vs Mondale election)
1967: 100% Nomad

The Nomad/Hero Transition

1975: 100% Nomad
1976: 92% Nomad, 8% Hero (the transition begins - they started elementary school after the Reagan v. Carter election, started high school after the Berlin Wall fell, and graduated high school after Kurt Cobain committed suicide)
1977: 84% Nomad, 16% Hero
1978: 76% Nomad, 24% Hero (the first somewhat cusp year, considering that they spent most of their elementary school years after the Challenger explosion, started high school after Nirvana released Nevermind, and graduated high school after Windows 95 was released)
1979: 68% Nomad, 32% Hero
1980: 60% Nomad, 40% Hero
1981: 52% Nomad, 48% Hero
1982: 44% Nomad, 56% Hero (the first year leaning towards Hero - they graduated high school in a year that begins with a 2)
1983: 36% Nomad, 64% Hero
1984: 28% Nomad, 72% Hero
1985: 20% Nomad, 80% Hero (the last somewhat cusp year, considering they entered high school before Y2K and were the last to be born before stereotypical Millennial celebrities, such as Amanda Bynes and Lindsay Lohan, were born)
1986: 12% Nomad, 88% Hero
1987: 4% Nomad, 96% Hero (the transition ends - they were the last to enter elementary school before the Bush v. Clinton election and were the last to be at middle school at the time the Columbine shooting took place)
1988: 100% Hero

The Hero/Artist transition

1996: 100% Hero
1997: 92% Hero, 8% Artist (the transition begins - they weren't at school yet when 9/11 took place, were still in elementary school when the iPhone was released, and graduated high school after Gamergate)
1998: 84% Hero, 16% Artist
1999: 76% Hero, 24% Artist (probably the first somewhat cusp year, considering they started high school after electropop fizzled out and graduated high school after Trump's victory)
2000: 68% Hero, 32% Artist
2001: 60% Hero, 40% Artist
2002: 52% Hero, 48% Artist
2003: 44% Hero, 56% Artist (the first year leaning towards Homelander, as they were the first to be born after the establishment of Homeland Security. Not to mention that Greta Thunberg was born in this year)
2004: 36% Hero, 64% Artist
2005: 28% Hero, 72% Artist
2006: 20% Hero, 80% Artist (probably the last somewhat cusp year, considering there are some sources that stretch the Millennial definition to 2006 and that they were no longer elementary school when the Parkland shooting took place)
2007: 12% Hero, 88% Artist
2008: 4% Hero, 96% Artist (the transition ends - they were no longer at elementary school when Trump was impeached and when the coronavirus scare began in the US)
2009: 100% Artist

This also seems to coincide with the "one saeculum equals one Uranus cycle or 84 years" rule mentioned by some users on this website.

I actually think this is more clean than mine. Especially since you gave some facts about some birth years. And it probably does make sense for 2008 to be the last birth year with any Hero traits because they were the last born before the 2008 Crisis. 2009 would be the first 100% Artists, right before entering the 2010s. 

Just guessing, you would probably have Core Prophets end in 1954 (it would probably start in 1946 or 1947). 
1955-1966 are the Prophet/Nomad transition
1967-1975 are Core Nomads
1976-1987 are the Nomad/Hero transition 
1988-1996 are Core Heroes
1997-2008 are the Hero/Artist transition 
2009-? are Core Artists

Prophets in the Millennial Saeculum - b. 1960 and before
Nomads in the Millennial Saeculum - b. 1961-1981
Heroes in the Millennial Saeculum- b. 1982-2002
Artists in the Millennial Saeculum- b. 2003-202x

Do you agree with the transitions, or was it
just an interesting generation discussion?

I agree with the periods you described. What are your thoughts on this cusp chart?

Prophet/Nomad cusp: 1959-1962 (the new voters in the Reagan v. Carter election)
1959 and 1960 lean Prophet because they were already in high school during the end of the Watergate scandal.
1961 and 1962 lean Nomad because they weren't in high school yet during the end of the Watergate scandal.

Nomad/Hero cusp: 1980-1983 (high schoolers during the rise of Y2K-era trends and college students when 9/11 took place)
1980 and 1981 lean Nomad because they graduated high school before Y2K.
1982 and 1983 lean Hero because they graduated high school after Y2K (this is why they are seen as "Millennials").

Hero/Artist cusp: 2001-2004 (high schoolers during the Notre Dame fires and when people like Billie Eilish started to become more popular)
2001 and 2002 lean Hero because they entered elementary school before the Recession, will graduate high school before this election, and were born before the establishment of Homeland Security.
2003 and 2004 lean Artist because they entered elementary school after the Recession, will graduated high school after this election, and were born after the establishment of Homeland Security (this is why they are seen as "Homelanders").
I definitely agree with the cusp dates. Especially the Early 80s baby one, because they are really in the X/Millennial cusp, since most sources start “Y” in 1980 at the earliest and X at 1983 at the latest, most starting it in 1982. Mid 80s babies are cuspy Hero with Nomad traits, and Late 70s babies are cuspy Nomad with some Hero traits. I also agree with the Hero/Artist cusp for those born in the VERY Early 21st century (2001-2004, or Early 2000s babies), in which I would comfortably fall in. Mid-Late 90s babies (including 2000) are more safely Millennial. As for the Jones cusp, that one is pretty accurate. The Early 60s babies are really in-between the Boom and X, whereas Late 50s babies are more Younger  Boom, while Mid 60s babies are more deeply rooted in X than they realize.

Anyways, do you think that cusp always has to be perfectly even on both sides, could there be a leaning on one side, like the cusp being just the late part or even early part of a generation until a new generation actually starts when the 100% traits come in earlier than usual (for example: late 40s babies for Boomers), and vice-versa for the end of a generation?

I think family dynamics could impact some of it, especially if they're the absolute core of the cusp (1960-1961, 1981-1982, 2002-2003):

For example, Person A was born in 2003 and Person B was born in 2002:
Person A has parents born in 1959 (probably a little bit unrealistic) and is the youngest in his family. He is more towards the Hero side of things.
Person B has parents born in 1979 and is the oldest in his family. He is more towards the Artist side of things.
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(03-10-2020, 06:00 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 05:35 PM)Camz Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 04:43 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 09:19 AM)Camz Wrote: I like that. "Gen Z" being the last cohort or Millennials is way better than it representing 1995-2010 borns. That birth range disgusts me. I agree with the Homeland Gen starting in 2002 or 2003.

I don't like the 1995-2010 definition for Gen Z that they have on Reddit, either. It doesn't make sense. I'd dare to say that there is a much bigger generation gap between 90's babies and 10's babies, than with 80's babies and 00's babies (at least the earlier ones). 1995-2010 and 1997-2012, etc. are the mainstream spans out there defined by mostly demographers, who don't take as time to analyze generations historically, but rather define it just by pop culture, birth year, and demographics. It is similar to Baby Boomers being 1946-1964, when most early 60s babies don't truly fit in with Boomers. I feel like Strauss and Howe is much more accurate. Even if I was to start Gen Z in the 1990's, 1995 seems to early. The earliest would be 1997, but culturally 1999 seems like a better start. Even 2001 would be a better start point than 1995 to me. But, personally I think that it is 2003 or I just go with S&H's 2005 start date.
Probably, from an estimate, the transition from Millennial to Homelander could be extended long, from like 1994ish up until like 2005ish.

I definitely agree, and the funny thing is that r/GenZ is completely divided. 90s babies, early 2000s babies, 2004-6, and 2007 are their own groups who hate each other because of a sense of superiority being born a year before another. People flex on the fact that they remember a time before the iPhone, and that they're "2000s kids" rather than "2010s kids" (and there are debates on what counts as a "2000s kid" which get toxic). It's silly and immature. The point of the sub is to unite Zoomers, like in r/GenX, but its doing the opposite. Probably a mix of typical youth immaturity and 1995-20XX just being a bad birth range.

I actually recently changed my mind of when Gen Z/Homelanders started: 2004. It's because 2003 kids...
-entered K12 when Bush was still president
-in elementary school during the Obama election and RECESSION, so they might remember them, rather than 1925 silents on Black Tuesday
-spent most of K12 before gay marriage was legalized
-entered middle school before Trump announced his campaign
-were in high school during Parkland (so they weren't that young, and processed it differently)
-some can vote in the 2020 election
-"1/6 of the class should be able to vote in 2020" umm,, that's iffy but their classmates should
-Greta Thunberg was born this year, who's a total civic
-involved heavily in March For Our Lives
-turning 20 (coming of age) in 2023, when the crisis will be far from over. there were 25-year-old G.Is in 1945
-in general had more lasts than firsts
They're probably super cuspy, but lean toward Millennial

Not to be too picky, but I think you meant 1925. And as in 2003 babies, do you just mean the HS C/O 2021? Because no one born that year can vote for another four years. Other than that, I agree with you. 

When it comes to specific coming of age years, I basically just say ages 16-25 (the age of consent, to drive, get a job to brain being fully developed. Generally, 18 or even 21 is the key "coming-of-age" age. 
To me, biological childhood is 3-10 or 11. So "2000s kids" would be from 1993-2002 (January 1, 1993-December 31, 2002 by birth year; late 1992-mid 2002, a.k.a. HS C/O 2011-2020 by high school class; I would barely fit here) and 2010s kids would be 2003-2012. A minor child is like 0-17; in my opinion, a "growing-up" child is 3-20 or 5-18, as in K-12, making the C/O 2021 the ultimate 2010s "kid".
Btw, the r/GenZ subreddit is so toxic, but at times can be interesting, which is why I still have a Reddit account. The Zillennials subreddit isn't that bad, tho.

I remember lurking on there and seeing some guy post something about the best years to be born in and just knew that there was something not quite right.
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#24
The names of post-WW2 generations suck. Old generations' names stand for something, like Missionary, Lost, or Silent. Boomer, X and Millennial are purely demographic locations. They need new names. What about:
-Countercultural generation for Boomers
-Digitalizers for Millennials
-I cannot make up an appropriate name for Xers.
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(05-23-2020, 08:00 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: The names of post-WW2 generations suck. Old generations' names stand for something, like Missionary, Lost, or Silent. Boomer, X and Millennial are purely demographic locations. They need new names. What about:
-Countercultural generation for Boomers
-Digitalizers for Millennials
-I cannot make up an appropriate name for Xers.

Ha ha. That's why they are called Xers!

Good luck, everyone. I don't think those two are appropriate enough, but good try. Smile

I provided names for sub-generations in my 1997 book, but when it came to boomers I just copped out and called them baby boomers. What does that tell you? Maybe Boomers and Xers are just generations that can't be named.
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Keep the spirit alive;
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#26
Xers are now called Karens:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lau...generation

But this comment is moronic:
Baby boomers are invalidating people and starting trouble, but Gen X is part of the problem as well. They follow their parents, whereas millennials and Gen Z has seen how detrimental the mindset of generations before them has been and tries to incite change.

These changes millies want to incite are just 60s radical student agenda. Boomers and Xers have supported it too when they were younger, but now they grew out of it.

In terms of moral foundations, pre-WW1 culture was based on an ethics of sanctity. Many Lost have abandoned it in the 1920s, unleashing the kind of nihilism the article correctly attributes to Xers. Then 60s radical students started promoted ethics of care, usually called PC though I call it Inclusivism. Millennials are the first generation socialized with the ethics of care, and Xers bash it with the same nihilism they applied to remnants of ethics of sanctity which were still present during the 3T. The entire period from the 1920s to the early 2000s should be viewed as a transition from culture of sanctity to culture of care. Karens don't apply enough care. I'm a male Karen as well.
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#27
(05-25-2020, 04:55 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Xers are now called Karens:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lau...generation
Crazy and meaningless term.

Quote:But this comment is moronic:
Baby boomers are invalidating people and starting trouble, but Gen X is part of the problem as well. They follow their parents, whereas millennials and Gen Z has seen how detrimental the mindset of generations before them has been and tries to incite change.

These changes millies want to incite are just 60s radical student agenda. Boomers and Xers have supported it too when they were younger, but now they grew out of it.

Yes, that is nonsense; your comment is correct.
Betrayed their youthful ideals, in the case of boomers. Had no ideals, in the case of Xers, but had lots of energy to knock over things and risk things. X games! Mosh pits!

All generalizations, of course.

I have to admit though that we boomers are sometimes quick to criticize (or "invalidate people"), without really demonstrating a better alternative.

Quote:In terms of moral foundations, pre-WW1 culture was based on an ethics of sanctity. Many Lost have abandoned it in the 1920s, unleashing the kind of nihilism the article correctly attributes to Xers. Then 60s radical students started promoted ethics of care, usually called PC though I call it Inclusivism. Millennials are the first generation socialized with the ethics of care, and Xers bash it with the same nihilism they applied to remnants of ethics of sanctity which were still present during the 3T. The entire period from the 1920s to the early 2000s should be viewed as a transition from culture of sanctity to culture of care. Karens don't apply enough care. I'm a male Karen as well.

Yes. For me, the most important thing that happened in the 60s, spearheaded by silents and boomers and a few civic GIs, was the revival and rediscovery of the transcendental, much like the previous extended prophet generation of that name two saecula ago. The "ethic" that came from this is the idea that to transform society a change in consciousness is needed. The consciousness revolution as S&H called it.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#28
(05-26-2020, 01:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Yes. For me, the most important thing that happened in the 60s, spearheaded by silents and boomers and a few civic GIs, was the revival and rediscovery of the transcendental, much like the previous extended prophet generation of that name two saecula ago. The "ethic" that came from this is the idea that to transform society a change in consciousness is needed. The consciousness revolution as S&H called it.

Both types of moral consciousness are needed: care ethics from the current cycle is welcome, but we need to rediscover the culture of sanctity from the previous saeculum, and give it a more rational basis.

And I agree "generation Karen" is stupid, it's like calling Homelanders "generation X Ash A Twelve"
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#29
(03-10-2020, 07:28 PM)Cocoa Puff Wrote: Boomer/X transition (a.k.a. Prophet/Nomad transition; Generation Jones) - Generally b. 1958-1964; b. 1955-1966 at the farthest

1955 - 95% Boomer (Prophet): 5% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely Boomer with a hint of X; the beginning of the transition
1956 - 90% Boomer (Prophet): 10% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly Boomer with minor X traits
1957 - 85% Boomer (Prophet): 15% X'er (Nomad) - Mostly Boomer with some X traits
1958 - 80% Boomer (Prophet): 20% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly starts
1959 - 70% Boomer (Prophet): 30% X'er (Nomad) 
1960 - 60% Boomer (Prophet): 40% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for end of Boomers
1961 - 40% Boomer (Prophet): 60% X'er (Nomad) - The demarcation line for start of X
1962 - 30% Boomer (Prophet): 70% X'er (Nomad) 
1963 - 25% Boomer (Prophet): 75% X'er (Nomad) 
1964 - 20% Boomer (Prophet): 80% X'er (Nomad) - When the transition truly ends
1965 - 10% Boomer (Prophet): 90% X'er (Nomad) - Predominantly X with minor Boomer traits
1966 - 5% Boomer (Prophet): 95% X'er (Nomad) - Definitely X with a hint of Boomer; the end of the transition

Core X (a.k.a. 100% Nomad) - Definitely b. 1967-1974; b. 1965-1976 at the farthest
1967 - 1974 - 100% X'er (Nomad)

X/Millennial transition (a.k.a. Nomad/Hero transition; Generation Y, Xennial) - Generally b. 1977-1986; b. 1975-1988 at the farthest

1975 - 96% X'er (Nomad): 4% Millennial (Hero) - Definitely X with a hint of Millennial; the beginning of the transition
1976 - 92% X'er (Nomad): 8% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly X with minor Millennial traits
1977 - 88% X'er (Nomad): 12% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly starts
1978 - 80% X'er (Nomad): 20% Millennial (Hero)
1979 - 72% X'er (Nomad): 28% Millennial (Hero)
1980 - 64% X'er (Nomad): 36% Millennial (Hero)
1981 - 56% X'er (Nomad): 44% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for end of X
1982 - 48% X'er (Nomad): 52% Millennial (Hero) - The demarcation line for start of Millennial
1983 - 40% X'er (Nomad): 60% Millennial (Hero) 
1984 - 32% X'er (Nomad): 68% Millennial (Hero)  
1985 - 24% X'er (Nomad): 76% Millennial (Hero) 
1986 - 16% X'er (Nomad): 84% Millennial (Hero) - When the transition truly ends
1987 - 8% X'er (Nomad): 92% Millennial (Hero) - Predominantly Millennial with minor X traits
1988 - 4% X'er (Nomad): 96% Millennial (Hero) -Definitely Millennial with a hint of X; the end of the transition

Core Millennial (a.k.a. 100% Hero) - Definitely b. 1989-1994; b. 1987-1996 at the farthest
1989 - 1994 - 100% Millennial (Hero)

Millennial/Homeland transition (a.k.a. Hero/Artist transition; Generation Z, Zillennial) - Generally b. 1997-2005; b. 1995-2007 at the farthest

1995 - 96% Millennial (Hero): 4% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Homeland; the beginning of the transition
1996 - 92% Millennial (Hero): 8% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Homeland traits
1997 - 88% Millennial (Hero): 12% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly starts
1998 - 84% Millennial (Hero): 16% Homeland (Artist)
1999 - 72% Millennial (Hero): 24% Homeland (Artist)
2000 - 68% Millennial (Hero): 32% Homeland (Artist)
2001 - 60% Millennial (Hero): 40% Homeland (Artist)
2002 - 52% Millennial (Hero): 48% Homeland (Artist)
 - The demarcation line for end of Millennial
2003 - 44% Millennial (Hero): 56% Homeland (Artist) - The demarcation line for start of Homeland
2004 - 36% Millennial (Hero): 64% Homeland (Artist)
2005 - 28% Millennial (Hero): 72% Homeland (Artist) - When the transition truly ends
2006 - 12% Millennial (Hero): 88% Homeland (Artist) - Predominantly Millennial with minor Millennial traits
2007 - 4% Millennial (Hero): 96% Homeland (Artist) - Definitely Millennial with a hint of Millennial; the end of the transition

Core Homeland and later - b. 2008-onward
2008-onward - 100% Homeland - beyond

I like the list.  As a 1963 born person, I always knew I wasn't a Boomer.  And my 1961 Sibling feels the same.  But, we do understand that we are in the demographic "baby boom" and that we can't help but have Boomer influence in our childhood.  There were Boomers in the older classes of our Elementary and High School.  (I have a feeling, at the apex of the demographic baby boom the parents just couldn't keep up with the lot of us, hence the generations shift.)  

I highlighted the 2001/2002 birthyear above because that is the class of 2020.  That class will always be marked as different because of the uniqueness of their Senior Year.  How appropriate for the last Millennials.   The Corona Virus and Lockdown will be seminal to them as they enter young adulthood.  A true generational marker.
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(05-26-2020, 01:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(05-25-2020, 04:55 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Xers are now called Karens:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lau...generation
Crazy and meaningless term.

Well, it isn't that there aren't Karens in Generation X, but you can't or shouldn't assume everyone in Generation X is a Karen. It is similar enough to 'OK Boomer'. It could well apply to some Boomers who refuse to see or address problems, but if you try to assume you can apply it to those Boomers who do see problems and seek to address them, you are going to miss.

Maybe we need generational subtypes, stereotypes that apply to only part of a generation? But I would agree that considering all Xers to be Karens would be meaningless.
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(05-27-2020, 01:36 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(05-26-2020, 01:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(05-25-2020, 04:55 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote: Xers are now called Karens:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lau...generation
Crazy and meaningless term.

Well, it isn't that there aren't Karens in Generation X, but you can't or shouldn't assume everyone in Generation X is a Karen.  It is similar enough to 'OK Boomer'.  It could well apply to some Boomers who refuse to see or address problems, but if you try to assume you can apply it to those Boomers who do see problems and seek to address them, you are going to miss.

Maybe we need generational subtypes, stereotypes that apply to only part of a generation?  But I would agree that considering all Xers to be Karens would be meaningless.

Young leftists who use those memes would never say "OK boomer" to Jeremy Corbyn or "OK Karen" to Kamala Harris.

As for the transitions between generations: Amy Winehouse and Mark Zuckerberg were both born in '84, but I cannot help myself seeing Zuckerberg as a millennial, and Winehouse as an Xer.

The cusp of Civic and Artist (1997-2007) can be called Zoomer.
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#32
I think the point of "OK boomer" is to say it to ANYONE who does something that fits under any of these Boomer stereotypes:

- Criticizing or expressing dislike for youth, youth culture, youth technology, or youth politics (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a wife joke that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a racist or LGBT-phobic comment that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Supporting Trump with white masculinity (with smugness and stubbornness)

Meanwhile, the point of Karen is to just make fun of middle-aged moms with a very specific blonde haircut who are impatient, bossy, and want to speak to the manager now. The Karen look is so iconic, its hard to apply it to anyone who doesn't look like one, especially an entire generation, so the "Generation Karen" thing is pretty desperate.
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#33
(05-27-2020, 10:14 AM)Camz Wrote: I think the point of "OK boomer" is to say it to ANYONE who does something that fits under any of these Boomer stereotypes:

- Criticizing or expressing dislike for youth, youth culture, youth technology, or youth politics (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a wife joke that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a racist or LGBT-phobic comment that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Supporting Trump with white masculinity (with smugness and stubbornness)

Meanwhile, the point of Karen is to just make fun of middle-aged moms with a very specific blonde haircut who are impatient, bossy, and want to speak to the manager now. The Karen look is so iconic, its hard to apply it to anyone who doesn't look like one, especially an entire generation, so the "Generation Karen" thing is pretty desperate.

But shouldn't a generation name be one that all generations can recognize, not just their own, so other generations can relate to the name and understand how it explains who they are? There are levels of fame that transcend age groups (like "Ok Boomer"), and a level of fame which only an age group would recognize (like Karen). If I don't recognize it, then how famous is it, really?
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#34
(05-27-2020, 10:14 AM)Camz Wrote: I think the point of "OK boomer" is to say it to ANYONE who does something that fits under any of these Boomer stereotypes:

- Criticizing or expressing dislike for youth, youth culture, youth technology, or youth politics (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a wife joke that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Making a racist or LGBT-phobic comment that hasn't aged well (with smugness and stubbornness)
- Supporting Trump with white masculinity (with smugness and stubbornness)

The things I bolded are pretty Leftist bits. Do you think non-Leftists ever say things like "LGBT-phobia" or "white masculinity"?
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