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[split] Presidential election, 2016
#1
(01-06-2017, 12:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-05-2017, 02:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-05-2017, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-03-2017, 09:39 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Danilynn, the rural folks are responsible for the 1% OWNING OUR COUNTRY.

They put the politicians in office that made it such.

Now, just WHO is that "maligning?" Since you seem to be all in favor of the political arrangements and policies that created this condition of our country, why not then just be proud of it, and not consider it an insult? If it's what you favor, then why would you consider it "evil"?

You could follow Warren Dew's example. He just tries to argue that I and others are incorrect about those policies, and that the policies that you also favor as well as he, are correct.

You're more financially reliant (owned by as you say) on the 1% than any of us and you don't seem to realize it.

I don't know how you know so much about me. That has always puzzled me about you Smile
You are a blue recruiter. What else do I need to know about you?
He is also a complete moron.  Not a whole lot to figure out.
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#2
(01-06-2017, 07:28 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 06:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Play nice kids!

Its an accurate description.
Maybe but it also tells something about the person that feels it appropriate to comment on something that is rather pointless to point out. It is just an emotional outburst and not a mature one. If anything it hurts your image. Perhaps not for those who are like minded, but if one is to prove their side is the side of reason your responses should reflect that reason.
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#3
(01-06-2017, 01:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 05:03 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 12:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-05-2017, 02:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-05-2017, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You're more financially reliant (owned by as you say) on the 1% than any of us and you don't seem to realize it.

I don't know how you know so much about me. That has always puzzled me about you Smile
You are a blue recruiter. What else do I need to know about you?
He is also a complete moron.  Not a whole lot to figure out.

(01-06-2017, 12:53 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 06:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Play nice kids!

He's our resident bully.

And I write that in the context of having Classic X around here. But Classic does not really call other users here "throw-away" disparaging names even though he's a bit of a tough guy. Galen on the other hand just can't contain himself.

I see the first exchange above as typical in a broad sense.  "Blue recruiter" would be a vile stereotype.  Instead of interacting with an individual, the individual gets stereotyped as a blue recruiter and all blue recruiters are alike.  Why bother to listen to what the other guy is saying when you have him neatly stereotyped?

I've also grumbled often about extreme partisans considering extreme partisans of an opposite flavor to be stupid, insane, evil, brainwashed or otherwise incapable of sincere thought.  The 'Moron' fits into that pattern.

This isn't to say Eric doesn't do some of the same stuff.  Anyone who disagrees with him on gun policy is insane.

There isn't a lot one can do about it, but too much of the conversation around here is of this ilk.  It's not about policy, it's about silly games that allow one to disparage anyone who disagrees without actually talking about the issues.

What we don't need are posters playing moderator or assuming the role of therapist. You Bob or Tara are certainly not qualified for that role, as you do the same things you complain about in others. I am not qualified either, nor is anyone here. Just discuss the issues. If someone feels stereotyped, they are perfectly capable of responding and denying the label. As for someone with whom dialogue is impossible for another, there's the ignore list.
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#4
(01-06-2017, 05:39 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 01:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 05:03 AM)Galen Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 12:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-05-2017, 02:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I don't know how you know so much about me. That has always puzzled me about you Smile
You are a blue recruiter. What else do I need to know about you?
He is also a complete moron.  Not a whole lot to figure out.

(01-06-2017, 12:53 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 06:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Play nice kids!

He's our resident bully.

And I write that in the context of having Classic X around here. But Classic does not really call other users here "throw-away" disparaging names even though he's a bit of a tough guy. Galen on the other hand just can't contain himself.

I see the first exchange above as typical in a broad sense.  "Blue recruiter" would be a vile stereotype.  Instead of interacting with an individual, the individual gets stereotyped as a blue recruiter and all blue recruiters are alike.  Why bother to listen to what the other guy is saying when you have him neatly stereotyped?

I've also grumbled often about extreme partisans considering extreme partisans of an opposite flavor to be stupid, insane, evil, brainwashed or otherwise incapable of sincere thought.  The 'Moron' fits into that pattern.

This isn't to say Eric doesn't do some of the same stuff.  Anyone who disagrees with him on gun policy is insane.

There isn't a lot one can do about it, but too much of the conversation around here is of this ilk.  It's not about policy, it's about silly games that allow one to disparage anyone who disagrees without actually talking about the issues.

What we don't need are posters playing moderator or assuming the role of therapist. You Bob or Tara are certainly not qualified for that role, as you do the same things you complain about in others. I am not qualified either, nor is anyone. Just discuss the issues. If someone feels stereotyped, they are perfectly capable of responding and denying the label.
Would you say Galen was discussing the issues when he called you a complete moron? You talk about wanting to just discussing the issues but that is the point. If we are to discuss the issues we should point out that comments like "complete moron" are not adding to the discussion. Besides, Eric. You have not been paying attention to my posts lately. You wanted me to "fix my own problems" and I did. I have changed since you paid attention to my posts. I like the new change too.
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#5
(01-06-2017, 05:54 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 05:44 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 05:39 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 01:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 05:03 AM)Galen Wrote: He is also a complete moron.  Not a whole lot to figure out.

(01-06-2017, 12:53 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: He's our resident bully.

And I write that in the context of having Classic X around here. But Classic does not really call other users here "throw-away" disparaging names even though he's a bit of a tough guy. Galen on the other hand just can't contain himself.

I see the first exchange above as typical in a broad sense.  "Blue recruiter" would be a vile stereotype.  Instead of interacting with an individual, the individual gets stereotyped as a blue recruiter and all blue recruiters are alike.  Why bother to listen to what the other guy is saying when you have him neatly stereotyped?

I've also grumbled often about extreme partisans considering extreme partisans of an opposite flavor to be stupid, insane, evil, brainwashed or otherwise incapable of sincere thought.  The 'Moron' fits into that pattern.

This isn't to say Eric doesn't do some of the same stuff.  Anyone who disagrees with him on gun policy is insane.

There isn't a lot one can do about it, but too much of the conversation around here is of this ilk.  It's not about policy, it's about silly games that allow one to disparage anyone who disagrees without actually talking about the issues.

What we don't need are posters playing moderator or assuming the role of therapist. You Bob or Tara are certainly not qualified for that role, as you do the same things you complain about in others. I am not qualified either, nor is anyone. Just discuss the issues. If someone feels stereotyped, they are perfectly capable of responding and denying the label.
Would you say Galen was discussing the issues when he called you a complete moron? You talk about wanting to just discussing the issues but that is the point. If we are to discuss the issues we should point out that comments like "complete moron" are not adding to the discussion. Besides, Eric. You have not been paying attention to my posts lately. You wanted me to "fix my own problems" and I did. I have changed since you paid attention to my posts. I like the new change too.

Some forums are rather draconian regarding ad hom attacks. One strike and the user is out. Not that we'd want that here, but generally speaking, I think most people know better. So when someone calls another user a moron, it's clearly a known transgression for the perpetrator given the well known conventions of civilized web discourse.
No I would not want that here at all. I would view that like a person who is perceived to be racist being kicked out of school. It does not address the issue on a logical level. I can only hope most know better.
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(01-06-2017, 01:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I see the first exchange above as typical in a broad sense.  "Blue recruiter" would be a vile stereotype.

And yet, I'm pretty sure Eric takes it as a compliment.

Or maybe you somehow think "vile stereotype" is a synonym for "compliment".  Certainly that would make a lot of your posts make more sense.
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(01-06-2017, 08:40 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 01:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I see the first exchange above as typical in a broad sense.  "Blue recruiter" would be a vile stereotype.

And yet, I'm pretty sure Eric takes it as a compliment.

I'm dubious. Eric? Your thoughts?

(01-06-2017, 08:40 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Or maybe you somehow think "vile stereotype" is a synonym for "compliment".  Certainly that would make a lot of your posts make more sense.

Nope. You are way off on what I'm saying, which is hardly surprising.
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#8
When Bob says "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be. Like me I believe Bob is concerned about how people are actually getting through to each other as historically carrying on with tribal mind can have some disastrous effects. But Bob can correct me if I am wrong of course.

Personally I think that the parties will not be able to continue the way they are and will need to be reshaped by newer generations for a fresh start. (I have even heard American millennials say as such which gives me hope this will happen).
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(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be.

I'd say that's an excellent description of how Bob uses the term "vile stereotype" - as a way of shutting down conversation that doesn't confirm his prejudices.
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(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be. Like me I believe Bob is concerned about how people are actually getting through to each other as historically carrying on with tribal mind can have some disastrous effects. But Bob can correct me if I am wrong of course.

Personally I think that the parties will not be able to continue the way they are and will need to be reshaped by newer generations for a fresh start. (I have even heard American millennials say as such which gives me hope this will happen).

Bob is doing his best to exclude (protect) himself from sharp ridicule and doing his best to avoid being caught/stuck (getting hurt) in the middle of the crossfire. A decade ago, Bob positioned himself on the front line fighting directly with me over Iraq. Bob must not have seen ISIS forming and taking over as a possibility or Bob hasn't recognized (refused to recognize) the foreign threat that we still face as nation or he didn't care about the result in Iraq as much as he cared about winning an election? Does "blue recruiter" sound VILE or come across as the use of VILE language to you? Does my use of "blue recruiter" with a self proclaimed/obvious blue recruiter look/sound/come across like a use of a "vile stereotype" to you? How many blues are still recruiting here? Is Bob still recruiting like he was ten years ago? I'm not here to recruit. I'm not paid to politically recruit. I'm here on my own free will to directly engage with blue recruiters for free and educate them on how far they're off from ever being able to recruit people (someone like me) like me.
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(01-06-2017, 11:21 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be.

I'd say that's an excellent description of how Bob uses the term "vile stereotype" - as a way of shutting down conversation that doesn't confirm his prejudices.
Well lets just see what he says but I figure he is like me and uses it for all political parties and their voters.
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(01-06-2017, 09:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I'm dubious.  Eric?  Your thoughts?
He seemed to take it as a compliment when I conjured it up and used it as an accurate describe him/his motives earlier. You must have missed that personal exchange between the two of us.
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(01-07-2017, 02:01 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be. Like me I believe Bob is concerned about how people are actually getting through to each other as historically carrying on with tribal mind can have some disastrous effects. But Bob can correct me if I am wrong of course.

Personally I think that the parties will not be able to continue the way they are and will need to be reshaped by newer generations for a fresh start. (I have even heard American millennials say as such which gives me hope this will happen).

Bob is doing his best to exclude (protect) himself from sharp ridicule and doing his best to avoid being caught/stuck (getting hurt) in the middle of the crossfire. A decade ago, Bob positioned himself on the front line fighting directly with me over Iraq. Bob must not have seen ISIS forming and taking over as a possibility or Bob hasn't recognized (refused to recognize) the foreign threat that we still face as nation or he didn't care about the result in Iraq as much as he cared about winning an election? Does "blue recruiter" sound VILE or come across as the use of VILE language to you? Does my use of "blue recruiter" with a self proclaimed/obvious blue recruiter look/sound/come across like a use of a "vile stereotype" to you? How many blues are still recruiting here? Is Bob still recruiting like he was ten years ago?  I'm not here to recruit. I'm not paid to politically recruit. I'm here on my own free will to directly engage with blue recruiters for free and educate them on how far they're off from ever being able to recruit people (someone like me) like me.
That was 10 years ago. Do you allow room for people to change themselves? I want to see what he is like now. Not a decade ago as that is not relevant to his current position. Blue recruiter does not sound vile to me nor does red recruiter. It depends on the individual and how they interpret it though.
10 years ago, Bob formed my initial impression of him as a person. The impression of himself that he formed  (the mind of a hard core American who loves/highly respects his country, loves/highly reflects its flag and loves/highly respects the old piece of paper (US Constitution) that separates us (America) from Europe) wasn't a positive impression. As far as impressions go, I'm not in charge of changing his impressions. I'm in charge of changing my own impressions that are received by others. I'm not here recruiting. I'm not here to meet new people and to make new friends. I'm here to take on/take out blue recruiters/blue activist and open up/free up the discussions. You have your way to accomplish it. I have my ways to accomplish it.
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(01-07-2017, 02:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 02:01 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be. Like me I believe Bob is concerned about how people are actually getting through to each other as historically carrying on with tribal mind can have some disastrous effects. But Bob can correct me if I am wrong of course.

Personally I think that the parties will not be able to continue the way they are and will need to be reshaped by newer generations for a fresh start. (I have even heard American millennials say as such which gives me hope this will happen).

Bob is doing his best to exclude (protect) himself from sharp ridicule and doing his best to avoid being caught/stuck (getting hurt) in the middle of the crossfire. A decade ago, Bob positioned himself on the front line fighting directly with me over Iraq. Bob must not have seen ISIS forming and taking over as a possibility or Bob hasn't recognized (refused to recognize) the foreign threat that we still face as nation or he didn't care about the result in Iraq as much as he cared about winning an election? Does "blue recruiter" sound VILE or come across as the use of VILE language to you? Does my use of "blue recruiter" with a self proclaimed/obvious blue recruiter look/sound/come across like a use of a "vile stereotype" to you? How many blues are still recruiting here? Is Bob still recruiting like he was ten years ago?  I'm not here to recruit. I'm not paid to politically recruit. I'm here on my own free will to directly engage with blue recruiters for free and educate them on how far they're off from ever being able to recruit people (someone like me) like me.
That was 10 years ago. Do you allow room for people to change themselves? I want to see what he is like now. Not a decade ago as that is not relevant to his current position. Blue recruiter does not sound vile to me nor does red recruiter. It depends on the individual and how they interpret it though.
10 years ago, Bob formed my initial impression of him as a person. The impression of himself that he formed  (the mind of a hard core American who loves/highly respects his country, loves/highly reflects its flag and loves/highly respects the old piece of paper (US Constitution) that separates us (America) from Europe) wasn't a positive impression. As far as impressions go, I'm not in charge of changing his impressions. I'm in charge of changing my own impressions that are received by others. I'm not here recruiting. I'm not here to meet new people and to make new friends. I'm here to take on/take out blue recruiters/blue activist and open up/free up the discussions. You have your way to accomplish it. I have my ways to accomplish it.

So, going by your first impression does that mean it does not matter what happens, how life experiences changes him your idea of who he is is never going to change just because of your first impression of who he was a decade ago? A lot can change in 10 years. Ten years ago I was quite a different person myself. No confidence, no direction and depressed. Now I am the opposite of that. You also may have been a different person too. I would never want to judge you on who you were as that is not who you are today. It feels great to have an open mind and let people develop. Yes, you are in charge of changing your own impressions. We agree on that. Every one is. I am just giving some food for thought and that is all. People change. We should allow that change. Open up/free up discussions....do you think they are listening? Likewise do you think you are listening to them? I respect freedom...truly I do. I always have due to how I was raised in an overprotective environment. But again, I have to ask...is your strategy working? Because I do have to question what works and what doesn't.
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(01-07-2017, 01:57 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 11:21 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be.

I'd say that's an excellent description of how Bob uses the term "vile stereotype" - as a way of shutting down conversation that doesn't confirm his prejudices.
Well lets just see what he says but I figure he is like me and uses it for all political parties and their voters.
What doesn't Bob view/associate as a vile stereotype these days? Bob is associated with a political party. Bob is an older Democrat.
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(01-07-2017, 03:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 01:57 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 11:21 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be.

I'd say that's an excellent description of how Bob uses the term "vile stereotype" - as a way of shutting down conversation that doesn't confirm his prejudices.
Well lets just see what he says but I figure he is like me and uses it for all political parties and their voters.
What doesn't Bob view/associate as a vile stereotype these days? Bob is associated with a political party. Bob is an older Democrat.

Yes he is a Democrat but he also seems to be in disagreement with fellow democrats too. He may have a hidden motive. Who knows. But it seems that he disagrees with extreme partisans on both sides like I do.

My personal reason for taking this stance for all those who may wonder is very simple. I despise closed minds, arguments and situations that are not productive. I also think that both of the major parties messages have been polluted for younger folk due to older people and that they will need to change. This is not just my thoughts. I have been paying attention to what American millennials are saying. So personally that is why I have that position in case anyone is suspicious.

I do not know the reason for why Bob has taken the stance that he has. Perhaps he sees what America sorely needs right now? He will have to answer that.
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(01-07-2017, 03:00 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 02:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 02:01 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be. Like me I believe Bob is concerned about how people are actually getting through to each other as historically carrying on with tribal mind can have some disastrous effects. But Bob can correct me if I am wrong of course.

Personally I think that the parties will not be able to continue the way they are and will need to be reshaped by newer generations for a fresh start. (I have even heard American millennials say as such which gives me hope this will happen).

Bob is doing his best to exclude (protect) himself from sharp ridicule and doing his best to avoid being caught/stuck (getting hurt) in the middle of the crossfire. A decade ago, Bob positioned himself on the front line fighting directly with me over Iraq. Bob must not have seen ISIS forming and taking over as a possibility or Bob hasn't recognized (refused to recognize) the foreign threat that we still face as nation or he didn't care about the result in Iraq as much as he cared about winning an election? Does "blue recruiter" sound VILE or come across as the use of VILE language to you? Does my use of "blue recruiter" with a self proclaimed/obvious blue recruiter look/sound/come across like a use of a "vile stereotype" to you? How many blues are still recruiting here? Is Bob still recruiting like he was ten years ago?  I'm not here to recruit. I'm not paid to politically recruit. I'm here on my own free will to directly engage with blue recruiters for free and educate them on how far they're off from ever being able to recruit people (someone like me) like me.
That was 10 years ago. Do you allow room for people to change themselves? I want to see what he is like now. Not a decade ago as that is not relevant to his current position. Blue recruiter does not sound vile to me nor does red recruiter. It depends on the individual and how they interpret it though.
10 years ago, Bob formed my initial impression of him as a person. The impression of himself that he formed  (the mind of a hard core American who loves/highly respects his country, loves/highly reflects its flag and loves/highly respects the old piece of paper (US Constitution) that separates us (America) from Europe) wasn't a positive impression. As far as impressions go, I'm not in charge of changing his impressions. I'm in charge of changing my own impressions that are received by others. I'm not here recruiting. I'm not here to meet new people and to make new friends. I'm here to take on/take out blue recruiters/blue activist and open up/free up the discussions. You have your way to accomplish it. I have my ways to accomplish it.

So, going by your first impression does that mean it does not matter what happens, how life experiences changes him your idea of who he is is never going to change just because of your first impression of who he was a decade ago? A lot can change in 10 years. Ten years ago I was quite a different person myself. No confidence, no direction and depressed. Now I am the opposite of that. You also may have been a different person too. I would never want to judge you on who you were as that is not who you are today. It feels great to have an open mind and let people develop. Yes, you are in charge of changing your own impressions. We agree on that. Every one is. I am just giving some food for thought and that is all. People change. We should allow that change. Open up/free up discussions....do you think they are listening? Likewise do you think you are listening to them? I respect freedom...truly I do. I always have due to how I was raised in an overprotective environment. But again, I have to ask...is your strategy working? Because I do have to question what works and what doesn't.
Bob formed an impression and reinforced it for several years. Bob's approach has changed from more aggressive to more defensive and a bit more agreeable/ acceptable over the last ten years. I assume the impression of us (the real Republican voters who post here), the impression of American people/voters like me and others here that he's received over the years has had something to do with the changes.
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(01-07-2017, 04:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-07-2017, 01:57 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 11:21 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 10:03 PM)taramarie Wrote: When Bob says  "vile stereotype" I am positive he is meaning just that. He would probably be mentioning that because of the fact it is far too often used as a way of shutting down differing opinions which do not match preconceived and concrete notions/opinions on how the country/world etc is or the way that it should be.

I'd say that's an excellent description of how Bob uses the term "vile stereotype" - as a way of shutting down conversation that doesn't confirm his prejudices.
Well lets just see what he says but I figure he is like me and uses it for all political parties and their voters.

I'd say 'stereotype' is how one might perceive a person's motives, personality and values, while a vile stereotype would be a highly negative stereotype which doesn't represent the person's view point and undercuts what the person is trying to say.  The most obvious sort of stereotype might involve use of words like 'insane' or 'moron'.  Broadly, when one presents the other guy as stupid, insane, brainwashed or otherwise incapable of rational thought, one isn't showing respect, and generally the person doing the insulting isn't making an honest attempt to understand the person being insulted.  If understanding would put one's own beliefs at risk, it becomes easier to deal with a stereotype of the person than listen to the person.

This is quite different from disagreement on issues.  One can talk about, say, gun control, disagreeing but treating the other guy with respect.  However, if anyone who disagrees with an individual gets labeled 'insane' or 'ammosexual', one has gone over into ad-hominum.  One is attributing personality traits, throwing insults, and / or attributing grotesquely false motivations rather than just disagreeing on fact or policy.  I am regularly pinned with such words, but am not greatly disturbed as I know I am quite sane, capable of interacting with society quite well, thank you.  I have no obsession with ammunition.  Sure, I have a few dozen target arrows down in the basement, but they are gathering dust.  They have a mild beauty of function and form, but they don't make me horny.  I don't bring them upstairs to show my lady friends.  Yet, my opinions on gun policy are invalid to some as I'm obviously ammosexual.

It's not profound to want to shut down a conversation that consists of one guy crying "Idiot!", while the other responds "Moron!"  "Ammosexual" is more complex, but it is still a way to attribute the other guy with entirely false motivations and thus reject what he is trying to say.  If one can shift the conversation from fact and logic to insults, one might be able to hide one's own lack of fact and logic.  It is easy to spot when the other guy is badly mangling one's own motivations.  It is harder to recognize when one is doing it one's self.

Now, 'blue recruiter' might not be a truly vile stereotype if I'm understanding now how he is using it.  I don't think anyone would deny Erik leans 'blue'.  If 'recruiter' just means one who is trying to talk folks into sharing one's world view, then we might all be recruiters to some extent by that definition.  The problem is when one starts to treat all 'blue recruiters' as alike, or lump any group of people together as sharing absurd ugly motivations and values.  If someone thinks learning another's party affiliation gives a profound detailed understanding that involves low IQ and unflattering perverted concepts of his politics, there is a problem.  

I interpreted Eric's amazement at how much was known about him as irony.  I assumed that red folk's descriptions of how Eric thinks are twisted, don't reflect Eric's actual thoughts.  In general, when someone red describes someone blue in a perversely unflattering way, I'm dubious... and vice versa.
Long story short it is just as I assumed. He despises ignorant and vicious labels that smear everyone  "blue" or "red" in a negative way instead of listening to individuals.

And I mean c'mon...I have listened to Democrats and Republicans alike on an individual level and they state they do not fit what is hatefully smeared onto them by some who vote in a different way. And I believe them. They may be voting for other reasons and they themselves have said so themselves. Some have to remember that people are individuals and we should treat them as such. Wiser to look deeper and push preconceived notions aside. Labels only get in the way of finding solutions as well as mature discussion. Hopefully the younger generation will lead the charge with renewing the parties because heck, is there any hope of older folk changing mind on any of this? I have more faith in younger folk but we will see. I am apparently a bit early and am an example of what the next "silents" will be voicing. So I have hope and I am not ready yet to close mind on older folk. They may surprise me yet.
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