What the left has devolved to.

[SomeGuy]

(02-05-2017, 02:45 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 11:53 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:02 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 11:40 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Since you guys ignored me earlier, I am forced to repeat myself in a simpler and more direct fashion.

Why is there a 10+ page thread devoted to a few broken windows and fires at Berkeley yet no mention of what happened a week ago, when A TRUMP SUPPORTER MURDERED PEOPLE just for being Muslim?

Obviously because we are all vicious, Muslim-hating fascists, unlike you. 

Also, it happened in another country, the man is in custody, and facing charges.  What more do you want from us?  A rending of garments?

Did the Dallas cop shootings or the kid getting kidnapped and tortured in Chicago fundamentally change your views of, say, BLM?  If not, why?

Maybe it wouldn't change her mind, since they had nothing to do with BLM??

And what does some wacko in Quebec have to do with Trump?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/quebec-city-mosque-shooting-latest-alexandre-bissonnette-donald-trump-marine-le-pen-facebook-social-a7554451.html

I see he's a fan of Katy Perry as well.  I hope that she, and the rest of her fans, do some soul-searching over this. 

Again, what's your point?  Micah Xavier Johnson, the shooter in Dallas, was a fan of several black power movements, was particularly upset over the coverage of the recent police shootings, and shot those officers at an actual BLM protest.  Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley shot two police officers in direct response to the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, as he wrote on his instagram.

I could post more.  Should the BLM movement bear responsibility for these attacks?  Is every political movement or politician inherently responsible for any and all acts of violence committed in its name or in service of the ideals it/they advance, even if the perpetrator has no real formal connection to any of them?

Once again, the guy is Canadian, has no formal involvement with any institution or party affiliated with Trump or any of his associates, was arrested, and is facing trial.  If you'd like to post a thread called "What the right has devolved to" or what-have-you, where you'd like to post this or any other incidents you feel warrant attention, you are free to do so.  I'll be happy to comment in it.  What more do you want?

[Ragnarök_62]

(02-05-2017, 02:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:20 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 12:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think a few businesses had their windows broken; again, that's nothing new in Berzerkely. But mostly it is taxpayers like me that will pay the bill for windows broken on campus. That's about it; maybe one person had minor injuries.

I'm glad to see that you and the California blues feel that way. I hope you don't mind us ramping up the issues further which should ramp up the riots further that cause far more damage and more injuries for blue taxpayers to cover by themselves.

I guess we can afford to pay for some more broken windows. Berkeley dealt with broken windows for decades after the 60s movements got going. Rampages were a regular occurrence.

How bout innocent people being injured and killed? Let me guess, not a big deal either money wise.

I'm more concerned with the people that are killed by those who follow the demagogues whom you elect and support. I'm not too worried about Berkeley folks killing other Berkeley folks. The Dylann Roofs of the world are still out there and are getting loony.

So, what's the difference between the Dylann Roofs and the Black Bloccers who've already maimed some folks?  I do believe that's a matter of time before someone dies at their hands. Remember and never forget, these 2 sorts of folks matter in kind, but not in degree.

[Eric the Green]

(02-05-2017, 04:50 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:20 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm glad to see that you and the California blues feel that way. I hope you don't mind us ramping up the issues further which should ramp up the riots further that cause far more damage and more injuries for blue taxpayers to cover by themselves.

I guess we can afford to pay for some more broken windows. Berkeley dealt with broken windows for decades after the 60s movements got going. Rampages were a regular occurrence.

How bout innocent people being injured and killed? Let me guess, not a big deal either money wise.

I'm more concerned with the people that are killed by those who follow the demagogues whom you elect and support. I'm not too worried about Berkeley folks killing other Berkeley folks. The Dylann Roofs of the world are still out there and are getting loony.

So, what's the difference between the Dylann Roofs and the Black Bloccers who've already maimed some folks?  I do believe that's a matter of time before someone dies at their hands. Remember and never forget, these 2 sorts of folks matter in kind, but not in degree.

There's lots of difference, in my opinion. Light-years' difference. Dylann Roof murdered 9 people just because they were black and because he wanted to start a race war. The black bloccers are defending people from hate. I don't think the Black Bloccers have maimed anybody. I don't agree with their methods at all; breaking windows and throwing fireworks at police is not cool and doesn't win friends. But I prefer a little perspective on these things. Real hate crimes that injure people have increased from Trump followers, and Milo just stirs the pot. His kind needs to be countered. I don't agree with throwing fireworks in his direction, but I agree with the protests against him.

[Eric the Green]

(02-05-2017, 03:14 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:45 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 11:53 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:02 AM)SomeGuy Wrote: Obviously because we are all vicious, Muslim-hating fascists, unlike you. 

Also, it happened in another country, the man is in custody, and facing charges.  What more do you want from us?  A rending of garments?

Did the Dallas cop shootings or the kid getting kidnapped and tortured in Chicago fundamentally change your views of, say, BLM?  If not, why?

Maybe it wouldn't change her mind, since they had nothing to do with BLM??

And what does some wacko in Quebec have to do with Trump?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/quebec-city-mosque-shooting-latest-alexandre-bissonnette-donald-trump-marine-le-pen-facebook-social-a7554451.html

I see he's a fan of Katy Perry as well.  I hope that she, and the rest of her fans, do some soul-searching over this. 

Again, what's your point?  Micah Xavier Johnson, the shooter in Dallas, was a fan of several black power movements, was particularly upset over the coverage of the recent police shootings, and shot those officers at an actual BLM protest.  Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley shot two police officers in direct response to the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, as he wrote on his instagram.

I could post more.  Should the BLM movement bear responsibility for these attacks?  Is every political movement or politician inherently responsible for any and all acts of violence committed in its name or in service of the ideals it/they advance, even if the perpetrator has no real formal connection to any of them?

Once again, the guy is Canadian, has no formal involvement with any institution or party affiliated with Trump or any of his associates, was arrested, and is facing trial.  If you'd like to post a thread called "What the right has devolved to" or what-have-you, where you'd like to post this or any other incidents you feel warrant attention, you are free to do so.  I'll be happy to comment in it.  What more do you want?

These were individuals who were mad at what the police did; individuals who went wacko and became deadly criminals. No good, evil and not justified; but the BLM movement is not responsible; they did not stir up their anger. The killings by police made them angry.

But Trump has stirred up and stoked hatred of Muslims. Some Muslims do bad things, like kill other Muslims, and occasionally Americans and maybe a few Canadians too. I don't know. But that does not make a billion people worthy of hatred and worthy of being killed, anymore than misconduct by some police justifies random murders of police.

[Ragnarök_62]

(02-05-2017, 05:35 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 04:50 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:20 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I guess we can afford to pay for some more broken windows. Berkeley dealt with broken windows for decades after the 60s movements got going. Rampages were a regular occurrence.

How bout innocent people being injured and killed? Let me guess, not a big deal either money wise.

I'm more concerned with the people that are killed by those who follow the demagogues whom you elect and support. I'm not too worried about Berkeley folks killing other Berkeley folks. The Dylann Roofs of the world are still out there and are getting loony.

So, what's the difference between the Dylann Roofs and the Black Bloccers who've already maimed some folks?  I do believe that's a matter of time before someone dies at their hands. Remember and never forget, these 2 sorts of folks matter in kind, but not in degree.

There's lots of difference, in my opinion. Light-years' difference. Dylann Roof murdered 9 people just because they were black and because he wanted to start a race war. The black bloccers are defending people from hate. I don't think the Black Bloccers have maimed anybody. I don't agree with their methods at all; breaking windows and throwing fireworks at police is not cool and doesn't win friends. But I prefer a little perspective on these things. Real hate crimes that injure people have increased from Trump followers, and Milo just stirs the pot. His kind needs to be countered. I don't agree with throwing fireworks in his direction, but I agree with the protests against him.

Dunno about you, but beat downs = "maimed".  Silly me.

Btw, I also discriminate between "protesters" and "rioters".  The MSM is just so stupid in not notating the difference.

And geeze the Hollywood celebrities who support these [rioters] are just way too full of themselves and need a 90% occupation tax to "shelter freaks and outcasts".  They also need to pay the "people they punch in the face" restitution. What a crop of fruit bats.  I mean, if some Hollywood wahoo punched me, I'd sue their ass off in a New York minute.  Intolerance for folks with a different ideas is unto itself coercive.

Btw, The use of political violence begets the death of Democracy.

[Galen]

(02-05-2017, 10:07 AM)gabrielle Wrote: I'm just pointing out a discrepancy here.  You are only focusing on the contemptible actions of a few on the left, and using that to discredit everything they stand for, while ignoring similar or worse actions by the right.

I have no idea what you are talking about and so I have chosen not to say anything about it.  Its nothing more complicated than that.

[Galen]

(02-05-2017, 04:50 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 02:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:20 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 01:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm glad to see that you and the California blues feel that way. I hope you don't mind us ramping up the issues further which should ramp up the riots further that cause far more damage and more injuries for blue taxpayers to cover by themselves.

I guess we can afford to pay for some more broken windows. Berkeley dealt with broken windows for decades after the 60s movements got going. Rampages were a regular occurrence.

How bout innocent people being injured and killed? Let me guess, not a big deal either money wise.

I'm more concerned with the people that are killed by those who follow the demagogues whom you elect and support. I'm not too worried about Berkeley folks killing other Berkeley folks. The Dylann Roofs of the world are still out there and are getting loony.

So, what's the difference between the Dylann Roofs and the Black Bloccers who've already maimed some folks?  I do believe that's a matter of time before someone dies at their hands. Remember and never forget, these 2 sorts of folks matter in kind, but not in degree.

As near as I can tell she conflating lone nut jobs with what was clearly organized violence by a fairly large group to intimidate and political opponents.  Given the fact that the police just stood around and watched, it seems likely that they received stand down orders.  This implies that those in power had sympathy with the rioters and wished it to continue.  I don't recall any Republicans in, or out of office, condoning or support these lone nuts in any ways.  It should also be mentioned that there don't appear to be any large mobs of Trump supporters behaving this way.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-05-2017, 01:34 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 12:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 10:07 AM)gabrielle Wrote: I'm just pointing out a discrepancy here.  You are only focusing on the contemptible actions of a few on the left, and using that to discredit everything they stand for, while ignoring similar or worse actions by the right.

I haven't seen a federal building blown up by a right wing extremist for over twenty years. I haven't had an aggressive IRS agent on the phone threatening to freeze my assets and shut down the business over a $600 tax payment that had been sent to them two weeks before it was due that got lost in the big government shuffle since then either.

--- ok, well how about a mass murder in a Carolina church then?

He's been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. The government has my blessing to carry out it's sentence and execute him. I've never met him and had a chance to speak him to determine whether he's more ideologically aligned with European left-wing beliefs or American right-wing beliefs. You are aware that the Nazi Party was a socialist (left wing) party.

[Eric the Green]

There's some difference between nationalist or racist right wingers like Nazis and fascists, and pro-business corporate neo-liberal right wingers like Reagan Republicans. However, they are pretty much aligned now in the USA under Trump. The Republicans had already blocked immigration reform under Bush and Obama, so they had already become right-wing on that issue before Trump, and already right-wing on other social-conservative issues, much like fascists also are.

The Nazis were not left wing, because they provided nothing for the working class except jobs making armaments for the planned war.

Real socialists want workers to own and run most of the state and economy; they are not racists or nationalist militarists, and they are usually democrats who provide an equal and prosperous society.

Totalitarian communists are an elite that takes over the state, militarizes it, may provide some benefits for workers and secular equality, and takes away all liberty and human rights.

No-one needs to meet and talk to Dylann Roof to know what he believed; it is well known that he was only interested in hating and killing black people.

[Marypoza]

(02-04-2017, 10:22 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 10:02 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 09:35 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 09:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 09:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Move on does great work; Soros deserves a medal for supporting them.

MoveOn is in the forefront of all progressive causes. They deserve support, not silly and stupid conspiracy theory criticism. My goodness; what nonsense is coming from this site these days. I will stand tall for what it right; I don't care what people say.

If I had money, and the current money system were still in place, I would consider doing what Soros does and support progressive causes like Moveon. Bravo, moveon!

The other side has a lot more big money creeps on their side. Which side are you on? That's what matters now.

--- they get plenty of $upport from Soros. I'm throwing my hard earned $upport elsewhere. You keep on standing tall

What you do with your money is "your own damn business"  and none of mine. I just don't like lies being spread.

-- then don't spread them *cough* $hillary * cough*

I don't; you were spreading them about moveon; that's the point.

The lies spread about Hillary from both left and right have to have set some kind of all-time record. My goodness....

-- l said MoveOn is a Soros front group. Which it is. So how is that a lie? As for The hildabitch, if you really wanna stop debating her. Then quit bringing her up

[Eric the Green]

Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever since.

[The Wonkette]

(02-04-2017, 12:28 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-03-2017, 11:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-03-2017, 11:25 PM)nihilist moron Wrote: Madonna talking about blowing up the White House wasn't hate speech?

Not really, but I think she'd be really happy if anyone (ISIS included) were to do it.

She's an idiot, or acting Iike one at the very least.

Or, more likely, just seeking attention, since she has not been in the limelight for at least a dozen years.

[gabrielle]

(02-05-2017, 03:14 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: I see he's a fan of Katy Perry as well.  I hope that she, and the rest of her fans, do some soul-searching over this. 

As far as I know, Katy Perry isn't calling for a "Muslim ban" or Muslim citizen registry or retooling the Countering Violent Terrorism program to "Countering Islamic Extremism."

[SomeGuy]

(02-06-2017, 12:31 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 03:14 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: I see he's a fan of Katy Perry as well.  I hope that she, and the rest of her fans, do some soul-searching over this. 

As far as I know, Katy Perry isn't calling for a "Muslim ban" or Muslim citizen registry or retooling the Countering Violent Terrorism program to "Countering Islamic Extremism."

And?

[Marypoza]

(02-06-2017, 11:36 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/11/co...ator-sued/


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-t...evolution/

[Eric the Green]

(02-06-2017, 01:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:36 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/11/co...ator-sued/


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-t...evolution/

You read right-wing blogs of Trump propaganda?

No, move-on is not a Soros front group. That is a lie. Soros contributes to them, as do I. That is true. Soros has more money to give them than I do; that's true.

[Marypoza]

(02-06-2017, 02:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 01:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:36 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/11/co...ator-sued/


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-t...evolution/

You read right-wing blogs of Trump propaganda?

No, move-on is not a Soros front group. That is a lie. Soros contributes to them, as do I. That is true. Soros has more money to give them than I do; that's true.

-- those are lefty groups

& you're one who reads Newsmax. Not me

[Eric the Green]

(02-06-2017, 02:10 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 02:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 01:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:36 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/11/co...ator-sued/


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-t...evolution/

You read right-wing blogs of Trump propaganda?

No, move-on is not a Soros front group. That is a lie. Soros contributes to them, as do I. That is true. Soros has more money to give them than I do; that's true.

-- those are lefty groups

& you're one who reads Newsmax. Not me

At least newsmax provides bonafide news. I don't read their propaganda. And no, the first one is a right-wing pro-Trump blog, and said nothing about Soros that I didn't already know.

[Galen]

(02-06-2017, 01:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:36 AM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote: Moveon is not a Soros front group. I have been with them since the beginning. I remember the founders. They have done good work ever 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/11/co...ator-sued/


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-t...evolution/

Eric the Obtuse has sporadic contact with reality at the best of times.  In this case he doesn't want to admit that he is supporting an organization that fronts for Soros because that does not square with his general hostility toward the rich.

[Classic-Xer]

(02-06-2017, 02:15 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: There's some difference between nationalist or racist right wingers like Nazis and fascists, and pro-business corporate neo-liberal right wingers like Reagan Republicans. However, they are pretty much aligned now in the USA under Trump. The Republicans had already blocked immigration reform under Bush and Obama, so they had already become right-wing on that issue before Trump, and already right-wing on other social-conservative issues, much like fascists also are.

The Nazis were not left wing, because they provided nothing for the working class except jobs making armaments for the planned war.

Real socialists want workers to own and run most of the state and economy; they are not racists or nationalist militarists, and they are usually democrats who provide an equal and prosperous society.

Totalitarian communists are an elite that takes over the state, militarizes it, may provide some benefits for workers and secular equality, and takes away all liberty and human rights.

No-one needs to meet and talk to Dylann Roof to know what he believed; it is well known that he was only interested in hating and killing black people.

We were opposed to amnesty and successfully blocked an immigration that included amnesty for all illegal immigrants. The Bush wing tried to pull a fast one and got caught and were politically wiped out as a result. We basically gave you a super majority in the house for a couple of years by demonstrating our willingness to take a loss by tossing Bush Republicans under the bus.