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Name people who were anomalies for their generation
#21
(03-04-2017, 04:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(03-02-2017, 02:58 AM)disasterzone Wrote: For the GI Generation, Betty Freidan 

For Xer Anderson Cooper. 


Any other examples come to mind?

Van Jones seems to have escaped the cynicism of the X Generation. I'm sure there's others too, like Kirsten Gillibrand. But they may be typical nomads in other ways.

Perhaps David Bowie was a prophet who was like an Xer ahead of his time.

I am assuming that the Generation 68' (European Boomers) had their first cohort in 1947. David Bowie born in the first cohort of this generation.
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(10-22-2018, 07:19 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Does Trump have any Idealist traits? I don't think so. His bully-style masculinity, hedonism and lack of interest in moral or spiritual issues seems Reactive to me. He is sort of Xer born too early. Actual boomers seem to despise him, while he is more popular among Xers.

Vladimir Putin and the autocrat of Belarus, Aleksandr Lukashenko have very similar traits despite having been born in the early 1950s.

Trump is definitely a Prophet, he is very much like Mussolini (1883) another Idealist from the European generation of 98' (Euro Missionaries, with their last cohort being around 1886-1887). I would argue to his supporters he is their Grey Champion, which explains a lot of the attitudes they exhibit. 

My Boomer mother and best her friend aren't spiritual at the least, however they are still very idealistic and see themselves as being very principled. Myself as a quite late wave Nomad is much more pragmatic and realistic.
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#23
Professional athletes are often ahead of their time as creators of styles. They have the means and the publicity.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(10-24-2018, 11:50 PM)Teejay Wrote:
(10-22-2018, 07:19 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Does Trump have any Idealist traits? I don't think so. His bully-style masculinity, hedonism and lack of interest in moral or spiritual issues seems Reactive to me. He is sort of Xer born too early. Actual boomers seem to despise him, while he is more popular among Xers.

Vladimir Putin and the autocrat of Belarus, Aleksandr Lukashenko have very similar traits despite having been born in the early 1950s.

Trump is definitely a Prophet, he is very much like Mussolini (1883) another Idealist from the European generation of 98' (Euro Missionaries, with their last cohort being around 1886-1887). I would argue to his supporters he is their Grey Champion, which explains a lot of the attitudes they exhibit. 

My Boomer mother and best her friend aren't spiritual at the least, however they are still very idealistic and see themselves as being very principled. Myself as a quite late wave Nomad is much more pragmatic and realistic.

Howe and Strauss put Mussolini in the Lost Generation with most fascists. He was never a man of high principle, going from one political fad (socialism) to another (militant nationalism) until putting together his fascism. He was utterly amoral, and it is likely that he believed in little but himself and vague ideas of reviving the Roman Empire. Howe and Strauss use  1882 and 1883 as a divide, probably so that he could place FDR (born January 30, 1882) as an idealist. 

1882 births include some thoroughly nasty people:

Brazilian dictator Getúlio Vargas, born April 19, fascistic dictator.


Conducator (Romanian equivalent of "Fuehrer" or "Duce") Ion Antonescu, born June 14, executed for crimes against humanity, including perpetration of the Holocaust, while dictator.

Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, born September 22, and executed by hanging on October 16, 1945 for his responsibility in horrific war crimes involving making the German Army the Nazi Army.

Maybe the right split is between January and February of 1882.

Not at all troublesome: Igor Stravinsky, whose music and lifestyle are clearly Nomadic, was born on June 5.

It could be that the eruption of August 26, 1883 had some effect on very young infants and upon children born some time later.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(09-16-2018, 09:12 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Tolkien (born 1892) was not a Lost at all. With his ecological sensitivity and whimsical hobby of constructing Elvish languages, he looks like a proto-Silent.

He was from South Africa, don't forget that. Some of them participated in the World Wars, but were those wars a real threat for SA? The events which shaped SA most were a) the Boer Wars and b) the end of apartheid, for better or for worse. Their last big change was in 1994, not 1945.


Checking: The Boer War went from 1899-1902. Tolkien was a kid then, and his parents would have protected him. Yes, fits that he became an Artist.
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(11-14-2018, 09:33 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(09-16-2018, 09:12 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Tolkien (born 1892) was not a Lost at all. With his ecological sensitivity and whimsical hobby of constructing Elvish languages, he looks like a proto-Silent.

He was from South Africa, don't forget that. Some of them participated in the World Wars, but were those wars a real threat for SA? The events which shaped SA most were a) the Boer Wars and b) the end of apartheid, for better or for worse. Their last big change was in 1994, not 1945.


Checking: The Boer War went from 1899-1902. Tolkien was a kid then, and his parents would have protected him. Yes, fits that he became an Artist.

I had a conversation with a South African on Personality Cafe, and he also claimed the SA saeculum is out of sync with the UK/US one.
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(11-15-2018, 06:44 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 09:33 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(09-16-2018, 09:12 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Tolkien (born 1892) was not a Lost at all. With his ecological sensitivity and whimsical hobby of constructing Elvish languages, he looks like a proto-Silent.

He was from South Africa, don't forget that. Some of them participated in the World Wars, but were those wars a real threat for SA? The events which shaped SA most were a) the Boer Wars and b) the end of apartheid, for better or for worse. Their last big change was in 1994, not 1945.


Checking: The Boer War went from 1899-1902. Tolkien was a kid then, and his parents would have protected him. Yes, fits that he became an Artist.

I had a conversation with a South African on Personality Cafe, and he also claimed the SA saeculum is out of sync with the UK/US one.

Theory works.
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#28
(11-15-2018, 06:44 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 09:33 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(09-16-2018, 09:12 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: Tolkien (born 1892) was not a Lost at all. With his ecological sensitivity and whimsical hobby of constructing Elvish languages, he looks like a proto-Silent.

He was from South Africa, don't forget that. Some of them participated in the World Wars, but were those wars a real threat for SA? The events which shaped SA most were a) the Boer Wars and b) the end of apartheid, for better or for worse. Their last big change was in 1994, not 1945.


Checking: The Boer War went from 1899-1902. Tolkien was a kid then, and his parents would have protected him. Yes, fits that he became an Artist.

I had a conversation with a South African on Personality Cafe, and he also claimed the SA saeculum is out of sync with the UK/US one.

-- it's stuff like this which makes me wonder about S&H theory. If our saecula cycle derives from the British one, shouldn't that hold true 4 Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, & some other places the Brits went? We should all be in sync.
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(11-15-2018, 11:53 AM)Marypoza Wrote: -- it's stuff like this which makes me wonder about S&H theory. If our saecula cycle derives from the British one, shouldn't that hold true 4 Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, & some other places the Brits went? We should all be in sync.

Maybe the cycle was reset when arriving at the new place?

When we start settling on Mars, the new society will also start with a 1T (strong social cohesion, low self-expression, both necessary because of harsh conditions). Regardless of the current turning on Earth.
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(11-15-2018, 12:04 PM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-15-2018, 11:53 AM)Marypoza Wrote: -- it's stuff like this which makes me wonder about S&H theory. If our saecula cycle derives from the British one, shouldn't that hold true 4 Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, & some other places the Brits went? We should all be in sync.

Maybe the cycle was reset when arriving at the new place?

When we start settling on Mars, the new society will also start with a 1T (strong social cohesion, low self-expression, both necessary because of harsh conditions). Regardless of the current turning on Earth.

-- perhaps. Good point
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#31
Abraham Maslow? Born in 1908, but his self-actualisation theory is quite Boomerish. Then some of his talking points remind me of Stapledon, who was a Missionary. Either way, an Idealist.
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#32
Eleanor Roosevelt. She seemed very Missionary,

Buckminster Fuller -- too visionary to be Lost.

Josef Stalin. Do you see anything idealistic about him? Reptilian values.

Pete Seeger. Boom cultural figure.

Elijah Mohammed. Founding a new religion isn't very Lost.

Napoleon Bonaparte. See also Andrew Jackson.

Johannes Brahms. Some of the most introspective music ever.

Don Knotts, Don Adams. Seemingly Silent until you see the GI birthdates

From their personal lives you would think that Marlon Brando is the Silent and Paul Newman is the GI.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(11-15-2018, 12:04 PM)Bill the Piper Wrote:
(11-15-2018, 11:53 AM)Marypoza Wrote: -- it's stuff like this which makes me wonder about S&H theory. If our saecula cycle derives from the British one, shouldn't that hold true 4 Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, & some other places the Brits went? We should all be in sync.

Maybe the cycle was reset when arriving at the new place?

When we start settling on Mars, the new society will also start with a 1T (strong social cohesion, low self-expression, both necessary because of harsh conditions). Regardless of the current turning on Earth.


Very probably. When the Soviets conquered Eastern Europe, they forced their satellites to walk to their new rhythm - Russia had a Crisis from at least 1905 (lost the war against Japan, revolts followed) until when Lenin's "New Economic Policy" started in the early 1920s. Until then, eastern central Europe was closer to the Anglo-American rhythm.
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