Invoke the 25th

[X_4AD_84]

In various posts and threads I've been stating we should impeach Trump or prosecute him for treason.

In a way, I am now increasingly suspecting the situation is even worse than criminality. I suspect Trump is mentally ill.

Invoke the 25th:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powe...f86d5a3891

'“We have as president a man who is erratic, vindictive, volatile, obsessive, a chronic liar, and prone to believe in conspiracy theories,” said conservative commentator Peter Wehner, who was the top policy strategist in George W. Bush’s White House. “And you can count on the fact that there will be more to come, since when people like Donald Trump gain power they become less, not more, restrained.”'

I agree with this assessment. There is something that is just not right with Donald Trump's mental health.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for him. He must be going through some dark nights of the soul. What turmoil must be roiling his psyche. For his sake and the sake of the US, invoke the 25th.

[TeacherinExile]

(03-06-2017, 11:48 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: In various posts and threads I've been stating we should impeach Trump or prosecute him for treason.

In a way, I am now increasingly suspecting the situation is even worse than criminality. I suspect Trump is mentally ill.

Invoke the 25th:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powe...f86d5a3891

'“We have as president a man who is erratic, vindictive, volatile, obsessive, a chronic liar, and prone to believe in conspiracy theories,” said conservative commentator Peter Wehner, who was the top policy strategist in George W. Bush’s White House. “And you can count on the fact that there will be more to come, since when people like Donald Trump gain power they become less, not more, restrained.”'

I agree with this assessment. There is something that is just not right with Donald Trump's mental health.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for him. He must be going through some dark nights of the soul. What turmoil must be roiling his psyche. For his sake and the sake of the US, invoke the 25th.

My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

[pbrower2a]

I see someone so delusional that he cannot be trusted with great power. Someone this delusional would be retired as a senior military officer or as a business executive. I would not want someone that delusional teaching a school, practicing medicine, or practicing law.

[David Horn]

(03-06-2017, 12:18 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

I heard what may be the most generous version of why Trump is the way he is: he lives in the perpetual 'Now'.  Whether that qualifies as a mental issue is open to the opinion of a more qualified person than me, but, if it's true, he's unlikely to ever be ready for what's coming or able to restrain himself in responding to any slight.

[TeacherinExile]

(03-06-2017, 02:05 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-06-2017, 12:18 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

I heard what may be the most generous version of why Trump is the way he is: he lives in the perpetual 'Now'.  Whether that qualifies as a mental issue is open to the opinion of a more qualified person than me, but, if it's true, he's unlikely to ever be ready for what's coming or able to restrain himself in responding to any slight.

This recent article from a few weeks back gave vent to open speculation that Donald Trump is mentally unbalanced:

Is It Time to Call Trump Mentally Ill? - The New York Times

I wasn't aware of the "Goldwater Rule."  In hindsight, the late Sen. Barry Goldwater looks like a model of mental health compared to our 45th president.  I chuckled, too, at the thinly veiled psychiatric diagnosis that Trump suffers from "malignant narcissism," which remains to be seen.  You have to be something of a narcissist, to begin with, to run for high office, though hopefully the benign variety.

[Eric the Green]

(03-06-2017, 02:05 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-06-2017, 12:18 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

I heard what may be the most generous version of why Trump is the way he is: he lives in the perpetual 'Now'.  Whether that qualifies as a mental issue is open to the opinion of a more qualified person than me, but, if it's true, he's unlikely to ever be ready for what's coming or able to restrain himself in responding to any slight.

Living in the perpetual now is all anyone can ever do, but I would put it like Drump is too "reactive;" like brower mentioned about the freudian concept of the id. He is a slave to his appetites and reactions. Most of us are, to some extent. But he is more so than others who have been elected to leadership positions. He is certainly a narcissist; his ego is uppermost in his mind. Using another freudian concept, it appears he has little ability to make "reality checks." To make wild charges and claims with no evidence seems to be part of his modus operandi. Sometimes he can make it part of his ingenious marketing technique, which appeals to his public that likes prejudice and passion, but it frequently just takes him off the rails.

[pbrower2a]

(03-06-2017, 02:57 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-06-2017, 02:05 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-06-2017, 12:18 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

I heard what may be the most generous version of why Trump is the way he is: he lives in the perpetual 'Now'.  Whether that qualifies as a mental issue is open to the opinion of a more qualified person than me, but, if it's true, he's unlikely to ever be ready for what's coming or able to restrain himself in responding to any slight.

Living in the perpetual now is all anyone can ever do, but I would put it like Drump is too "reactive;" like brower mentioned about the freudian concept of the id. He is a slave to his appetites and reactions. Most of us are, to some extent. But he is more so than others who have been elected to leadership positions. He is certainly a narcissist; his ego is uppermost in his mind. Using another freudian concept, it appears he has little ability to make "reality checks." To make wild charges and claims with no evidence seems to be part of his modus operandi. Sometimes he can make it part of his ingenious marketing technique, which appeals to his public that likes prejudice and passion, but it frequently just takes him off the rails.

When Obama was President I frequently gave the retort to his detractors:

President Obama plays chess, and those who oppose him play slot machines.

Chess requires players to see a few moves ahead with the prospect of getting a checkmate, overwhelming strength, or an enforceable advantage. Even a subtle difference in strength (like a two-pawn advantage that the other player can do nothing about) can decide the game. Beginners might make such a blunder as grabbing a pawn with a queen only to set up a knight fork that guarantees a material gain for his opponent. Intermediate players see three moves ahead. Chess masters see perhaps six moves ahead. Ten? That is simply too many moves to process. I'm not saying how good a chess player I am... but there is a big difference between Barack Obama and Donald Trump that has nothing to do with scruples.

[Kinser79]

(03-06-2017, 12:18 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote:

(03-06-2017, 11:48 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: In various posts and threads I've been stating we should impeach Trump or prosecute him for treason.

In a way, I am now increasingly suspecting the situation is even worse than criminality. I suspect Trump is mentally ill.

Invoke the 25th:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powe...f86d5a3891

'“We have as president a man who is erratic, vindictive, volatile, obsessive, a chronic liar, and prone to believe in conspiracy theories,” said conservative commentator Peter Wehner, who was the top policy strategist in George W. Bush’s White House. “And you can count on the fact that there will be more to come, since when people like Donald Trump gain power they become less, not more, restrained.”'

I agree with this assessment. There is something that is just not right with Donald Trump's mental health.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for him. He must be going through some dark nights of the soul. What turmoil must be roiling his psyche. For his sake and the sake of the US, invoke the 25th.

My doubts about Trump's fitness for command are diminishing by the tweet.  It's still possible that he's not crazy as some in the press have recently speculated...just "crazy like a fox," instead.

Here's the real danger as pointed out in this passage from the WaPo article you cite:

What happens in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, during a natural disaster or amidst an economic crisis? He’ll desperately need the American people to trust and rally behind him, but he will have drained the reservoir of goodwill. That is when Trump’s credibility gap is going to become a cataclysmic problem for his presidency and, frankly, for the country.

I've said it before in a previous post: I want our president to succeed--with some qualifications.  There is simply too much at stake for the country, indeed for all of us, if Trump should fail.  Especially if he should fail spectacularly in a moment of renewed crisis.

You are right Teach.  Daddy is crazy like a fox.  And everyone who has managed to learn the difference between shit and apple butter knows it.  (Unfortunately this precludes the vast majority of college educated people--particularly the press.)

The problem I would say is largely generational.  Most Boomers, and in this forum in particular, are stuck in 20th century modes of thought, and means and methods of production and reproduction.  As such they were completely blind sided by Trump's use of the media to gain free advertising and the use of meme magic and the Meme Team to push his vision.

It is also these same boomers who scream the loudest that his twitter should be silenced, never mind that it is his direct link to the people.  The simple fact of the matter is that like Kennedy defeated Nixon on the TV (Nixon arguably won the radio debate in 1960) Trump defeated HRC (besides by not being the clear establishment candidate) on the grounds of the Internet.

As for Alphabet Soup's call for using the 25th amendment, I don't think someone who literally claims everything and everyone is  Russian spy/agent/plot should be taken seriously.  His posts become more deranged by the day, and I'm no psychologist (or whatever) but I'm concerned he may be suffering from untreated paranoid schizophrenia.  But then again I'd also say that about Mr. Maddow too these days. 

Seriously I fully expect them to start foaming at the mouth any day now on MSDNC.  Its like watching Glenn Beck except less entertaining.

But then again the shutting down of the nuthouses is something else my and younger generations can lay at the feet of Boomers.

[Kinser79]

Perhaps but "normal" hasn't been working for a long time so something, anything different had to be tried. Seriously HRC the normal establishment candidate had to cheat to get the nomination and she was opposed by a 72 year old Socialist Jew. Its like Paul Robeson (a known CPUSA member) nearly winning the Dem Nomination and losing to Carter because Carter had to cheat in 1976.

That being said I have noticed that when the Lugenpresse is busy discussing Daddy's tweets, Pakistan quietly arrests terrorists because he's put pressure on them by cozy-ing up to India's populist PM.

Add to that the fact that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all basically viewed as corrupt lying liars (which they are) and Trump attacking the press wins him brownie points with the populace. Making fun of Glenn Beck didn't work because everyone who wasn't completely brain dead already knew he was a paid actor selling add time. He's never pretended to be an actual journalist---unlike say Mr. Maddow, or that pipsqueak with the glasses that comes on before her show. I can't be arsed to remember his name, I just want to punch his smug face.

The fact of the matter is Trump has tapped into the spirit of the age. But of course I only know that because I'm a High Priest of Kek.

[Odin]

(03-09-2017, 11:55 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Perhaps but "normal" hasn't been working for a long time so something, anything different had to be tried.  Seriously HRC the normal establishment candidate had to cheat to get the nomination and she was opposed by a 72 year old Socialist Jew.  Its like Paul Robeson (a known CPUSA member) nearly winning the Dem Nomination and losing to Carter because Carter had to cheat in 1976.

That being said I have noticed that when the Lugenpresse is busy discussing Daddy's tweets, Pakistan quietly arrests terrorists because he's put pressure on them by cozy-ing up to India's populist PM.

Add to that the fact that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all basically viewed as corrupt lying liars (which they are) and Trump attacking the press wins him brownie points with the populace.  Making fun of Glenn Beck didn't work because everyone who wasn't completely brain dead already knew he was a paid actor selling add time.  He's never pretended to be an actual journalist---unlike say Mr. Maddow, or that pipsqueak with the glasses that comes on before her show.  I can't be arsed to remember his name, I just want to punch his smug face.

The fact of the matter is Trump has tapped into the spirit of the age.  But of course I only know that because I'm a High Priest of Kek.

LOL, the mainstream media is undergoing a revival exactly because of you vile Fascist fucks and your God Emperor attacking them. Here in the real world Trump is increasingly looking like the fucking incompetent joke he is. Every time Red Don screams "LYING NEW YORK TIMES" they get new subscribers.

[pbrower2a]

(03-09-2017, 11:55 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Perhaps but "normal" hasn't been working for a long time so something, anything different had to be tried.  Seriously HRC the normal establishment candidate had to cheat to get the nomination and she was opposed by a 72 year old Socialist Jew.  Its like Paul Robeson (a known CPUSA member) nearly winning the Dem Nomination and losing to Carter because Carter had to cheat in 1976.

The political system is broken, as is shown by the success of empty-suit right-wingers who will reliably do what the corporate lobbyists do. American moral life is broken because people are so addicted to entertainment that they will fall for a Nero, Caligula, or Commodus who offers them entertainment from the highest levels of political power and because so many people prefer 'easy learning' to the more difficult, but richer stuff. Too many Americans prefer the intellectual equivalent of "light instrumental music" of the 1970s to the richer, if more demanding classical or jazz... or soulful folk music. But we could live with the insipid, superficial music of quirky re-orchestrations of pop music and etherial arrangements of show tunes (all strings, but no violas) because such music did no harm. Genuine education takes effort and commitment by students, competence by teachers, and insistence by parents. It isn't cheap and it isn't easy, but it is necessary for making young adults capable of learning non-menial jobs and competent to do such civic duties as voting wisely. But who is going to do better in American life? The 'cubs' of "Tiger Mom" or the kids of some parents who tell their kids that it's acceptable to use bad grammar in school because they are white?

Quote:That being said I have noticed that when the Lugenpresse is busy discussing Daddy's tweets, Pakistan quietly arrests terrorists because he's put pressure on them by cozy-ing up to India's populist PM.

Lugenpresse? The people who coined that barbarous word would have put you in a cattle car for a one-way trip to a gas chamber.

Another possible explanation: Pakistani leadership is finding that the terrorists that it recently coddled have become Frankenstein monsters. That leadership may hate India, but Indian intelligence agencies and the Indian military aren't sending terrorists to do mass killings in Karachi. India is basically "East Israel" in its disdain for terrorists, especially after some ugly incidents in Mumbai. 

Quote:Add to that the fact that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all basically viewed as corrupt lying liars (which they are) and Trump attacking the press wins him brownie points with the populace.  Making fun of Glenn Beck didn't work because everyone who wasn't completely brain dead already knew he was a paid actor selling add time.  He's never pretended to be an actual journalist---unlike say Mr. Maddow, or that pipsqueak with the glasses that comes on before her show.  I can't be arsed to remember his name, I just want to punch his smug face.

Rachel Maddow follows the money, if necessary, because that is the entirety of the personality of Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump is the definitive 'empty suit' he is all too easy to figure out.

Quote:The fact of the matter is Trump has tapped into the spirit of the age.  But of course I only know that because I'm a High Priest of Kek.

Stalin to Trump. I know what you used to be. It is a commonplace trick of Commies to infiltrate the Right to get it to become more egregious in its destruction of all human virtue, to make the capitalist order even more indefensible -- to hasten the proletarian rebellion against a brutal Master Class. Donald Trump is a really bad capitalist.

[Kinser79]

(03-10-2017, 10:20 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Lugenpresse? The people who coined that barbarous word would have put you in a cattle car for a one-way trip to a gas chamber.

I didn't know that the Kaiser ran death camps. The term is far older than Goebbels.

Quote:Another possible explanation: Pakistani leadership is finding that the terrorists that it recently coddled have become Frankenstein monsters.

Were that the case then they should have arrested these guys (many of whom live in villas right outside of major army bases) years ago. But they didn't but are now. What's changed?

Quote: That leadership may hate India, but Indian intelligence agencies and the Indian military aren't sending terrorists to do mass killings in Karachi. India is basically "East Israel" in its disdain for terrorists, especially after some ugly incidents in Mumbai. 

India and Pakistan have been in a state of cold war (except when it gets hot) since 1948. That hasn't changed. What has changed? Trump backing the Indian PM has changed since Obama didn't. India has nukes and has fought a war with Pakistan so the Pakistanis not being morons would prefer to not be irradiated at worst and invaded at best. Ergo bearded wackos are no longer helpful to their regime.

Quote:Rachel Maddow follows the money, if necessary, because that is the entirety of the personality of Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump is the definitive 'empty suit' he is all too easy to figure out.

Rachel Maddow is a fake news hack and has been for years. As for someone being so easy to figure out you still haven't figured out Trump--and he's been either president or running for president for two years and a cultural icon for over two decades. This failure is not easily explained by his doing.

Quote:Stalin to Trump. I know what you used to be. It is a commonplace trick of Commies to infiltrate the Right to get it to become more egregious in its destruction of all human virtue, to make the capitalist order even more indefensible -- to hasten the proletarian rebellion against a brutal Master Class. Donald Trump is a really bad capitalist.

Yes he's so bad a capitalist that he's a billionaire, a billionaire that owns hundreds of companies and only four of which have gone bankrupt and even then were only Chapter 11 and not full liquidation.

As for my past, that tactic only works with those who act as sleeper cells on the right. I've been open about my past. So lets see what have we learned about our resident depressed snowflake? We've learned that he doesn't understand the history of German words (possibly forgivable--after all I doubt he speaks more than one language, and I know he's never left the country ever); we've learned that he seems to think that Rachel Maddow is a journalist rather than an actor who plays a journalist on TV (a common mistake among Boomers), and we've learned that he hasn't studied the art of subterfuge.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect

[Kinser79]

(03-10-2017, 12:29 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: <snip>

And of course our Daily Dose of "Everyone I don't like is a Russian Spy".  I'm trying to decide if Alphabet's tin foil hat is too loose or too tight.

[SomeGuy]

Clearly too loose, the CIA mind-control satellites are obviously getting through. 

[Kinser79]

(03-10-2017, 02:34 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: Clearly too loose, the CIA mind-control satellites are obviously getting through. 

Reguardless it needs some sort of adjustment.  Or perhaps he shouldn't be using tin foil.  I hear that there is a way to make a faraday cage for your head and that should stop the mind control lasers or whatever that is making him behave this way.

Though honestly I think he needs to see a doctor or five.  Whatever's wrong with him I'm sure we have a pill for that.

[SomeGuy]

He's obviously got a couple of screws loose (he even thought Y2K was a Russian plot), but I can't help but feel that the best thing for him would be to remove some of the environmental factors exacerbating his issues.  The level of partisan propaganda coursing through the media is bad enough for regular people, much less the weak-willed and/or mentally-unbalanced.  Look what happened to Gabbie Giffords.

[Galen]

(03-10-2017, 02:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(03-10-2017, 12:29 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: <snip>

And of course our Daily Dose of "Everyone I don't like is a Russian Spy".  I'm trying to decide if Alphabet's tin foil hat is too loose or too tight.

I haven't seen a case like this since the Cold War.  At this stage in our lives Xers generally recognize emotional manipulation like this are efforts to panic a person into doing something against their own self-interest.

On top of that it is really odd to see the Democrats acting like characters out of Dr. Strangelove.  Apparently they like Russia when its Communist but really hate them now that they appear to be in the process of becoming a conspicuously Christian nation despite what their constitution has to say.

[SomeGuy]

It's not odd, only depressing, when you realize that these opinions on foreign countries are solely proxies for positions on domestic political disputes.

[Odin]

(03-10-2017, 03:07 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: He's obviously got a couple of screws loose (he even thought Y2K was a Russian plot), but I can't help but feel that the best thing for him would be to remove some of the environmental factors exacerbating his issues.  The level of partisan propaganda coursing through the media is bad enough for regular people, much less the weak-willed and/or mentally-unbalanced.  Look what happened to Gabbie Giffords.

Yeah, he definitely has some screws loose, but at the same time, there are way too many red flags (heh!) involving connections between the Trump Administration and Russia to just dismiss all of it as conspiracy theory. These aren't fringe crackpots sounding the alarm, here.

[SomeGuy]

(03-10-2017, 03:44 PM)Odin Wrote:

(03-10-2017, 03:07 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: He's obviously got a couple of screws loose (he even thought Y2K was a Russian plot), but I can't help but feel that the best thing for him would be to remove some of the environmental factors exacerbating his issues.  The level of partisan propaganda coursing through the media is bad enough for regular people, much less the weak-willed and/or mentally-unbalanced.  Look what happened to Gabbie Giffords.

Yeah, he definitely has some screws loose, but at the same time, there are way too many red flags (heh!) involving connections between the Trump Administration and Russia to just dismiss all of it as conspiracy theory. These aren't fringe crackpots sounding the alarm, here.

*snigger* red flags *snigger* <Is that word still kosher?   >

I dunno, I have little faith in our permanent government.  Still, there were a fair amount of contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and I am content to see them investigated, even though even James Clapper came out and said there was no evidence to support Russian support for the campaign in that sense.  By the same token, I think there is something to Trump's claims of being spied on by our intelligence agencies, too.  I mean, they spy on everybody, and Flynn wasn't wiretapped by Joe Q. Public, either.