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The Maelstrom of Violence
(01-20-2021, 10:22 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Somebody is messed up.  I have already noted that you have redefined racist backwards.  If you can project the number of deaths that would have occurred if the rest of the world’s death rate were applied to the US, and subtract that off from the deaths that actually occurred.  The difference would be Trump’s negligent homicides.  Biden’s death rate is apt to be higher than the world’s because Trump has already trained his followers not to take precautions, but I would sooner put the difference on Trump not Biden.  Biden is looking to follow the science, to do what he can to cut the death rate, to maximize vaccine distribution, to put the economy back to normal as soon as possible.

The last post is typical of your messed up attitude.
I don't get into racism and stirring up racism and jumping on racist band wagons like you and most of the Democrats do these days. I don't care if the Democrats do/say something stupid that starts a race war or do something stupid that results in a large scale American revolt or do nothing at all which results in them being over run by barbarian hoards and persecuted by a WEIRD cult. I know America ain't going to go along and put up with it for very along.
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(01-20-2021, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:08 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We shall see. Do you even know what a moral compass is? Agreement with you is not a moral compass. 
I have a moral compass that I've learned to trust over the years. You don't have one. Your moral compass died years ago.  Whether you agree with me/it or not doesn't matter to me because I understand that its a matter of choice at this point.

From the angle of the moral psychologist Haidt and his The Righteous Mind book, everyone has a moral compass.  It is instinctive, firm, fast, and doesn't change unless one sees a total failure of values.  Once you absorb the family teaching and perhaps a youthful search, that is it, locked.  All the rational part of the mind can do is try to justify one's instincts.  A few weeks ago, it looked like the COVID deaths, the failed economy resulting from the COVID inaction, the bad cops practicing racial injustice, and the capitol insurrection don't add up for a lot of people as a total failure.

Today?  The hope is from the mourning of the COVID dead, the lack of further insurgency, MLK day, and the poor turnout as Trump flew off into the sunset.  There might have been an enthusiastic crowd waving flags at the airport, much as happened on January 6.  Instead you saw a small, dejected, defeated guy.   It seems a lot of people are finally seeing a total failure.  Too soon to tell for sure, but some of the signs are there.  The collapse of conservative values I have long predicted may be starting.

Classic?  I don't know that he will see it.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(01-20-2021, 04:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:08 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We shall see. Do you even know what a moral compass is? Agreement with you is not a moral compass. 
I have a moral compass that I've learned to trust over the years. You don't have one. Your moral compass died years ago.  Whether you agree with me/it or not doesn't matter to me because I understand that its a matter of choice at this point.

From the angle of the moral psychologist Haidt and his The Righteous Mind book, everyone has a moral compass.  It is instinctive, firm, fast, and doesn't change unless one sees a total failure of values.  Once you absorb the family teaching and perhaps a youthful search, that is it, locked.  All the rational part of the mind can do is try to justify one's instincts.  A few weeks ago, it looked like the COVID deaths, the failed economy resulting from the COVID inaction, the bad cops practicing racial injustice, and the capitol insurrection don't add up for a lot of people as a total failure.

Today?  The hope is from the mourning of the COVID dead, the lack of further insurgency, MLK day, and the poor turnout as Trump flew off into the sunset.  There might have been an enthusiastic crowd waving flags at the airport, much as happened on January 6.  Instead you saw a small, dejected, defeated guy.   It seems a lot of people are finally seeing a total failure.  Too soon to tell for sure, but some of the signs are there.  The collapse of conservative values I have long predicted may be starting.

Classic?  I don't know that he will see it.
You keep talking about the collapse of conservative values that I refer to as traditional American values that are directly related to you and much of the Democratic population that exists today. The Democratic party has now been placed in charge of its own fate and the fate of a portion of the country ( the people directly related to it and the people reliant on it and those who have greatly benefited from being related) that it currently controls.
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(01-20-2021, 06:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 04:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:08 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We shall see. Do you even know what a moral compass is? Agreement with you is not a moral compass. 
I have a moral compass that I've learned to trust over the years. You don't have one. Your moral compass died years ago.  Whether you agree with me/it or not doesn't matter to me because I understand that its a matter of choice at this point.

From the angle of the moral psychologist Haidt and his The Righteous Mind book, everyone has a moral compass.  It is instinctive, firm, fast, and doesn't change unless one sees a total failure of values.  Once you absorb the family teaching and perhaps a youthful search, that is it, locked.  All the rational part of the mind can do is try to justify one's instincts.  A few weeks ago, it looked like the COVID deaths, the failed economy resulting from the COVID inaction, the bad cops practicing racial injustice, and the capitol insurrection don't add up for a lot of people as a total failure.

Today?  The hope is from the mourning of the COVID dead, the lack of further insurgency, MLK day, and the poor turnout as Trump flew off into the sunset.  There might have been an enthusiastic crowd waving flags at the airport, much as happened on January 6.  Instead you saw a small, dejected, defeated guy.   It seems a lot of people are finally seeing a total failure.  Too soon to tell for sure, but some of the signs are there.  The collapse of conservative values I have long predicted may be starting.

Classic?  I don't know that he will see it.

You keep talking about the collapse of conservative values that I refer to as traditional American values that are directly related to you and much of the Democratic population that exists today. The Democratic party has now been placed in charge of its own fate and the fate of a portion of the country ( the people directly related to it and the people reliant on it and those who have greatly benefited from being related) that it currently controls.

If you talk about conservative values relating to economics, then support of a free market,  the development of skill, thrift as a virtue, enterprise as a solution to distress, and integrity in business dealings are pragmatism.  A non-market economy, a social order that consigns people to poverty by denying opportunity, an attitude of living only in and for the moment, excessive trust in bureaucratized monopolies, and chicanery in ordinary business dealings practically ensure poverty. Those values well suit the middle class, the more skilled part of the working class, and the rich well. They well serve the Model Minorities who have fared better than average.

Grinding poverty serves nobody well. The ideal is to get people out of poverty, and the consumer economy is usually a good-enough spur. Hunger and homelessness may sting harder, but they also make people less able to compete. 

We have been stuck with a plutocratic ethos that began with Reagan and a flawed dream and has culminated in the catastrophic failure that is Donald Trump. Donald Trump is in essence a juvenile delinquent who has never grown up and has instead gotten away with what he has gotten away with only because someone has covered for him or he has had the means of buying his way out of any problem.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-20-2021, 06:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You keep talking about the collapse of conservative values that I refer to as traditional American values that are directly related to you and much of the Democratic population that exists today. The Democratic party has now been placed in charge of its own fate and the fate of a portion of the country ( the people directly related to it and the people reliant on it and those who have greatly benefited from being related) that it currently controls.

The values I see as ready to collapse include racism, sexism, elitism, anti science, and the use of lies to create political fantasies.

There is much positive that is associated with the cavalier, rural, conservative part of America. The above factors are not among them.

Now you have not loudly advocated any of them. You may have been fooled by some of the lies. You have have bought into the conservative fantasies. But you don't seem to spend a lot of time ranting in favor of the questionable traits of the Republican Party.

I see a struggle about to commence for what is left of the Republican Party. A few days ago, I believe Trump had the advantage over the Establishment and traditional conservatives. Now, with the lack of people showing up for Trump's goodbye at Andrews, I am not so sure. January 6th's big crowds, Trump flags and fanatic loyalty to Trump was totally missing. The expected insurgencies didn't materialize. Biden was able to set the tone.

Now if conservatives could let go of Trump, if the rejection of the establishment and the elites that was featured in the Tea Party days could return, if the Lincoln Project and similar disgruntled conservatives could bring together the remnants of the party...

We'll have to see.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(01-18-2021, 05:02 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 03:12 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 02:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:16 PM)David Horn Wrote: Bob, we couldn't disagree more on this issue.  Note the unique quality of the 2nd Amendment in clarifying the justification for the "right to bear arms", then find another example of a similar justification elsewhere in the document. That can't be an accident.  So ignoring the need to arm the militia just to extend the "right" to everyone is illogic at its worst.  Eventually, that will be noted in a reversal similar to others that have occurred from time to time.  But even now, the right is not absolute -- none are.

No right guarantees the ability to harm another or violate another's rights.  Is there another limit you would place on rights?  Can you give an example?

Our disagreement runs much deeper.  I don't see a modern "right to bear arms" because the reason for one in the past no longer exists today.  We now rely on professional policing and military organizations to provide the services originally provided by militias.  Even more to the point, an antiquated view of "arms" in no way covers the kind of firepower we can bring to bear using modern weapons. That's not to say that ownership and use of firearms should be prohibited.  I don't think that's true either. But restrictions on weaponry should not be construed to be limited by a constitutional right-- especially one that has no purpose in the modern age. We have rational restrictions on everything that can do harm. Firearms have no other purpose, so they should more than qualify.  At some point, that much more rational view will be validated again, and this period of full rights will be considered an aberration.

That's all for later. For now, let's lean hard on Scalia's version of a limited right, and agree that this in no way mandates a hands-off approach in sensitive situations. The floor of the Congress is certainly one, as is every court house and other government space where activities are being performed that can and do inflame passions. People should not be intimidated by armed "citizens" when they are going about their work.  I'm just as adamant about guns in bars, at sporting events and in public spaces where families go with their children.

So in short you believe in rights when they do no harm, when they do not curtail other's rights, or when nobody has another opinion?

No, that's hell-and-gone from what I wrote.  My disagreement with the current interpretation of the 2nd is with the obvious avoidance of the clarifying clause "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State".  It was avoided because it is no longer true and hasn't been for a long while.  If the justification disappears, and it certainly has, then the act it justifies no longer has standing.  In short, the 2nd is moribund, just like the 3rd, and the basis of 7th for that matter.  

On deferring to the limits left us by Scalia, I consider using them for practical reasons and only for those reasons.  Adding a codicil to a false premise doesn't improve it.
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(01-20-2021, 01:14 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:20 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:54 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The federal regeneracy is going to fall flat on its face. Trump had less than a month to try and prove the impossible pertaining to mass voter fraud. The Supreme Court decided it was best for them to remain neutral. You better get your facts straight because the Democrats are the only game in town and the only group left to blame at this point. We may decide to keep it that way and leave the party for the barbarians to finish off. Welcome to the 4T. The beginning of the end of the Democratic party as a whole starts this Wednesday.

Massive voter fraud can't be easily hidden, so yes, one month was more than enough time to find evidence -- any evidence -- yet none was found.

It can be hidden when elections laws are changed illegally and left as is for the most part and the voter turn out is much higher on both sides than normal across the entire country. Okay. You won by default because the numbers weren't heavily skewed. You elected a President who is mentally incompetent and you have a VP who isn't there because she's great or she's popular or she was really good at governing a state or managing anything important (including her own Presidential campaign) . So, what should happen to you and the others here who didn't use their brains, didn't listen, didn't care and those who are dumb enough or desperate enough or greedy enough or deviant enough to go along with electing Biden.

So changing laws, or their interpretation at least, is illegal when your side loses, but perfectly fine when you win. Got it!  And of course, challenges to state lawsfrom our of state are great under those same rules. Apparently the courts, including courts overseen by RW judges, don't agree.

C-Xer Wrote:Here's the deal, you are about to face the wrath of the American people and about to experience a repeat of American history and the Democrats are probably (maybe there's enough worth while Democrats left who are willing to fall on their swords to prevent the inevitable collision between the Left and the American right) on the verge of being removed by force or left to be over run by an angry hoard of barbarians that it created as the rest of America watches. Either way, your time (the time of the Progressive  Democrats) is coming to an end. In short, you have met your match. Eric has met his match and PB and Bob will prove to be worthless non factors when the all the violence and disruption starts.

You seem to love threatening the wrath of the "American people", yet your side lost.  So who are the 81 Million if not Americans?

As an aside: only 1%+/- of the MAGA voters are in the game.  90+% of those loudmouths are all talk.  Of the remaining ~10%, most are incompetent at revolutionary action, so you have maybe 2% of 1% who will act.  That's about the number that attacked Congress, and they sucked at it.
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(01-20-2021, 02:04 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... We've had 403,000 people die of COVID and there will be thousands more dying of COVID while Biden/Harris are in office. I can't wait to start calling your President a murderer and associating him with a dictatorship and the actions of racist blacks that won't touch and I can't wait to really start cracking down hard  on low life piss ants and slugs like you who come across as clueless partisan hacks and demagogues too. You don't want a dog you that won't be able to afford to feed or take care of in a few years.

If Biden and Company do nothing, or worse: negative things, then have at it.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(01-21-2021, 12:33 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 06:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You keep talking about the collapse of conservative values that I refer to as traditional American values that are directly related to you and much of the Democratic population that exists today. The Democratic party has now been placed in charge of its own fate and the fate of a portion of the country ( the people directly related to it and the people reliant on it and those who have greatly benefited from being related) that it currently controls.

The values I see as ready to collapse include racism, sexism, elitism, anti science, and the use of lies to create political fantasies.

There is much positive that is associated with the cavalier, rural, conservative part of America.  The above factors are not among them.

Now you have not loudly advocated any of them.  You may have been fooled by some of the lies.  You have have bought into the conservative fantasies.  But you don't seem to spend a lot of time ranting in favor of the questionable traits of the Republican Party.

I see a struggle about to commence for what is left of the Republican Party.  A few days ago, I believe Trump had the advantage over the Establishment and traditional conservatives.  Now, with the lack of people showing up for Trump's goodbye at Andrews, I am not so sure.  January 6th's big crowds, Trump flags and fanatic loyalty to Trump was totally missing.  The expected insurgencies didn't materialize.  Biden was able to set the tone.

Now if conservatives could let go of Trump, if the rejection of the establishment and the elites that was featured in the Tea Party days could return, if the Lincoln Project and similar disgruntled conservatives could bring together the remnants of the party...

We'll have to see.
The Republican base (Trumps party) has a significant advantage (8-9 to 1-2) over the GOP establishment/traditional conservatives/Rhino's at this point. I don't see much of struggle taking place on the Republican side myself. Keep in mind, we damn near defeated the Democratic party despite all the laws that were broken and all the racial violence and the racial movements that took place and all the billions that were spent by the Uber elites and oligarchs protecting their business interests with China and foreign country's who prefer we take on the brunt of everything instead of them as usual. Did you notice the size of the crowd at Biden's inauguration? It looked really small too. I realize that the entire area was locked down for most part and we have twenty some thousand soldiers who are now stationed there as well. So, I realize that looks can be deceiving.
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(01-21-2021, 02:11 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 02:04 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... We've had 403,000 people die of COVID and there will be thousands more dying of COVID while Biden/Harris are in office. I can't wait to start calling your President a murderer and associating him with a dictatorship and the actions of racist blacks that won't touch and I can't wait to really start cracking down hard  on low life piss ants and slugs like you who come across as clueless partisan hacks and demagogues too. You don't want a dog you that won't be able to afford to feed or take care of in a few years.

If Biden and Company do nothing, or worse: negative things, then have at it.
Honestly, I don't care how many Biden supporters die of COVID 19 as Biden and Company waste time figuring out how to disperse the vaccine in a responsible as well equitable way among all of its particular groups. He's lucky he only has the Democratic side to worry about pleasing right now being the American/Republican side isn't all that worried about getting it or dying from it at this point. I'm glad that I didn't watch the inauguration yesterday. I would have puked as I watched a blue cream puff Rabbi compare Biden to Moses. Oh well, that's Hollywood, the Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, the Boogeyman stuff for ya. My wife said that Garth Brooks performance was great as usual. She loves Garth Brooks.
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(01-21-2021, 04:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 02:11 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 02:04 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... We've had 403,000 people die of COVID and there will be thousands more dying of COVID while Biden/Harris are in office. I can't wait to start calling your President a murderer and associating him with a dictatorship and the actions of racist blacks that won't touch and I can't wait to really start cracking down hard  on low life piss ants and slugs like you who come across as clueless partisan hacks and demagogues too. You don't want a dog you that won't be able to afford to feed or take care of in a few years.

If Biden and Company do nothing, or worse: negative things, then have at it.

Honestly, I don't care how many Biden supporters die of COVID 19 as Biden and Company waste time figuring out how to disperse the vaccine in a responsible as well equitable way among all of its particular groups. He's lucky he only has the Democratic side to worry about pleasing right now being the American/Republican side isn't all that worried about getting it or dying from it at this point. I'm glad that I didn't watch the inauguration yesterday. I would have puked as I watched a blue cream puff Rabbi compare Biden to Moses. Oh well, that's Hollywood, the Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, the Boogeyman stuff for ya. My wife said that Garth Brooks performance was great as usual. She loves Garth Brooks.


It's state governments that are dispensing the vaccine as allocated to the states. The States are not producing the vaccine. Essential workers and vulnerable people get it first. 

I notice your hatred toward people who are the wrong sort of American to you. The media have been good so far about not making deaths from COVID-19 an issue of ethnicity or political orientation. Even so, the numbers are horrible, and those so far indict the former President whose name need not be mentioned. .
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-21-2021, 05:45 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I notice your hatred toward people who are the wrong sort of American to you. The media have been good so far about not making deaths from COVID-19 an issue of ethnicity or political orientation. Even so, the numbers are horrible, and those so far indict the former President whose name need not be mentioned. .

MSNBC at least has highlighted often enough that minorities are being hit disproportionally.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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While for the most part the insurgent protests did not emerge during the inauguration, there were some protests and violence in Portland.
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(01-21-2021, 02:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:14 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:20 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:54 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The federal regeneracy is going to fall flat on its face. Trump had less than a month to try and prove the impossible pertaining to mass voter fraud. The Supreme Court decided it was best for them to remain neutral. You better get your facts straight because the Democrats are the only game in town and the only group left to blame at this point. We may decide to keep it that way and leave the party for the barbarians to finish off. Welcome to the 4T. The beginning of the end of the Democratic party as a whole starts this Wednesday.

Massive voter fraud can't be easily hidden, so yes, one month was more than enough time to find evidence -- any evidence -- yet none was found.

It can be hidden when elections laws are changed illegally and left as is for the most part and the voter turn out is much higher on both sides than normal across the entire country. Okay. You won by default because the numbers weren't heavily skewed. You elected a President who is mentally incompetent and you have a VP who isn't there because she's great or she's popular or she was really good at governing a state or managing anything important (including her own Presidential campaign) . So, what should happen to you and the others here who didn't use their brains, didn't listen, didn't care and those who are dumb enough or desperate enough or greedy enough or deviant enough to go along with electing Biden.

So changing laws, or their interpretation at least, is illegal when your side loses, but perfectly fine when you win. Got it!  And of course, challenges to state lawsfrom our of state are great under those same rules. Apparently the courts, including courts overseen by RW judges, don't agree.

C-Xer Wrote:Here's the deal, you are about to face the wrath of the American people and about to experience a repeat of American history and the Democrats are probably (maybe there's enough worth while Democrats left who are willing to fall on their swords to prevent the inevitable collision between the Left and the American right) on the verge of being removed by force or left to be over run by an angry hoard of barbarians that it created as the rest of America watches. Either way, your time (the time of the Progressive  Democrats) is coming to an end. In short, you have met your match. Eric has met his match and PB and Bob will prove to be worthless non factors when the all the violence and disruption starts.

You seem to love threatening the wrath of the "American people", yet your side lost.  So who are the 81 Million if not Americans?

As an aside: only 1%+/- of the MAGA voters are in the game.  90+% of those loudmouths are all talk.  Of the remaining ~10%, most are incompetent at revolutionary action, so you have maybe 2% of 1% who will act.  That's about the number that attacked Congress, and they sucked at it.

Aren't you all talk? Aren't the bulk of you all talk? I talk some but not nearly as much as all of you guys talk here. I spend more time doing than sitting on my ass talking dude. I also spend more of my time talking to people face to face and settling disputes face to face or on a phone than I spend writing stuff with people like you, writing responses, writing predictions and trying to show and explain the difference between the way American see things and the Democrats see things to you and others here.

Our side barely lost a heavily rigged election that had illegal election law changes along with the assistance of tech giants, cable news giants, national channel giants who were hammering us, calling us this and that, banning us and shutting us up, partisan Democrats controlling national debates, partisan Democrats as moderators directly participating in debates along with Biden, withholding information for several months and billions being spent by oligarch's, Chinese nationalists, Russian nationalists, European nationalists and Uber-elites supporting all sorts of anarchist groups doing as they please for several months. So, what do you think, should we continue to support and continue being nice or begin to the pull the plug and become more divisive and disruptive and threatening than before and cause the Democratic system fail and watch as millions of Democratic beliefs and dreams are shattered. Dude, we are still standing and we are all still united under the America first banner and there are no limitations on we can do as a group either.

I was working on a boiler in the home of a leftist today. I had to listen to a bunch of Democrats talking to themselves on NPR for a couple of hours today. I'd say the Democrats are pretty high on themselves and out of touch with reality as far as the rest of the country goes and where the rest of the country is at right now. It's to bad they don't have anyone other than themselves to listen to or ask questions, listen to or learn from these days other themselves and those who agree with them. So, who is paying for NPR these day? Is the Democratic party paying for it or is America paying still paying for it? Who is paying for PBS? The Democrats or America?

BTW, the percent who sucked succeeded in scaring the shit out of bunch of careless Democratic politicians with big mouths but little substance and caused/forced them to overact and go into coccoon mode and revealed their true nature and true color as well. I figure that was all that was needed/intended for now. I didn't hear anything about any violence that took place outside of Washington DC on inauguration day other than the constant violence occurring in Portland and Seattle that's been going on several months.
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It is impossible to prove a non-existent fraud. There is less shadiness in the 2020 Presidential election than there was in 2000. Still we have ways in which to define who wins and does not in accordance with the laws that include procedures for administering the election and counting the votes. In all of the states that were close there have been opportunities for both Parties to clamp down on any possibility of electoral fraud through
  • tampering with machines
  • forged ballots introduced into electoral devices
  • falsification of voting results
  • ineligible votes (such as by the deceased)
  • intimidation of voters
  • people voting in multiple places

This time we had a possible cheat, and it was a non-human participant: COVID-19, a literal threat to anyone who appeared at the polls. COVID-19 is about as welcome at a polling place as is an armed militia that threatens voters with such a message as "VOTE HERE AND DIE". Law enforcement could clear out a militia with such a message, but it can't remove the SARS-2 virus.

Extended time for voting and absentee ballots without excuses can not drive COVID-19 away, but it can certainly keep people from deciding to not vote. If there is any perception that COVID-19 discriminates against any ethnic minority, then states have every right to protect that minority. If it is white people -- likewise.

There were law suits by people associated with the Trump campaign, and they fell flat.  Some states had recounts as mandated by law. Those worked against Trump. 

So you tell me where the cheat was and what the cheat was. So the count came in slow?

Let's take a look at another election. Yes, it was obvious on November 4, 2008  that if Obama amassed 193 electoral votes by 11 PM he was going to win the Presidency because Obama was seen as sure to win California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington with their 77 electoral votes.  At 8:59 ET Obama had amassed 102 electoral votes. Quick calls in several states (MI, MN, NY, RI, and WI) put Obama at 175. There were plenty of states that were close and not yet called, and some yet to even close their polling. 

At 9:23 PM, about everyone concluded that the Republicans had run out of votes in Ohio, and Obama was going to win Ohio. That put Obama at 185. It's over except for waiting for the votes to come in from the West Coast. Well, we know the rest. 

It took two days to count the votes to decide North Carolina, and fifteen days to count the vote in Missouri. Slow counting is possible. Quick calls indicate that the margin is large enough that only a fool would deny the final result. Slow counts indicate a tight margin. Votes counted late (in some states the absentee ballots had to be counted last, and those paradoxically included the first ballots cast) count as much as those cast on Election Day. 

States counted their votes in different orders. Biden started out with leads in Florida, Ohio, and Texas, all of which he lost. 

Yes, yes, yes... I know that you are disappointed with the result. Well guess how I felt in 2016? Elections don't all go our way, do they? Maybe the 74 million who voted for Trump were more convinced that Trump was the necessary choice for a "real America" as you describe it and that the 81 million who voted against him acted in treachery, malice, or delusion (if that is how you see it). That is not how we decide an election.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-21-2021, 07:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 02:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:14 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:20 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:54 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The federal regeneracy is going to fall flat on its face. Trump had less than a month to try and prove the impossible pertaining to mass voter fraud. The Supreme Court decided it was best for them to remain neutral. You better get your facts straight because the Democrats are the only game in town and the only group left to blame at this point. We may decide to keep it that way and leave the party for the barbarians to finish off. Welcome to the 4T. The beginning of the end of the Democratic party as a whole starts this Wednesday.

Massive voter fraud can't be easily hidden, so yes, one month was more than enough time to find evidence -- any evidence -- yet none was found.

It can be hidden when elections laws are changed illegally and left as is for the most part and the voter turn out is much higher on both sides than normal across the entire country. Okay. You won by default because the numbers weren't heavily skewed. You elected a President who is mentally incompetent and you have a VP who isn't there because she's great or she's popular or she was really good at governing a state or managing anything important (including her own Presidential campaign) . So, what should happen to you and the others here who didn't use their brains, didn't listen, didn't care and those who are dumb enough or desperate enough or greedy enough or deviant enough to go along with electing Biden.

So changing laws, or their interpretation at least, is illegal when your side loses, but perfectly fine when you win. Got it!  And of course, challenges to state lawsfrom our of state are great under those same rules. Apparently the courts, including courts overseen by RW judges, don't agree.

C-Xer Wrote:Here's the deal, you are about to face the wrath of the American people and about to experience a repeat of American history and the Democrats are probably (maybe there's enough worth while Democrats left who are willing to fall on their swords to prevent the inevitable collision between the Left and the American right) on the verge of being removed by force or left to be over run by an angry hoard of barbarians that it created as the rest of America watches. Either way, your time (the time of the Progressive  Democrats) is coming to an end. In short, you have met your match. Eric has met his match and PB and Bob will prove to be worthless non factors when the all the violence and disruption starts.

You seem to love threatening the wrath of the "American people", yet your side lost.  So who are the 81 Million if not Americans?

As an aside: only 1%+/- of the MAGA voters are in the game.  90+% of those loudmouths are all talk.  Of the remaining ~10%, most are incompetent at revolutionary action, so you have maybe 2% of 1% who will act.  That's about the number that attacked Congress, and they sucked at it.

Aren't you all talk? Aren't the bulk of you all talk? I talk some but not nearly as much as all of you guys talk here. I spend more time doing than sitting on my ass talking dude. I also spend more of my time talking to people face to face and settling disputes face to face or on a phone than I spend writing stuff with people like you, writing responses, writing predictions and trying to show and explain the difference between the way American see things and the Democrats see things to you and others here.

Our side barely lost a heavily rigged election that had  illegal election law changes along with the assistance of tech giants, cable news giants, national channel giants who were  hammering us, calling us this and that, banning us and shutting us up, partisan Democrats controlling national debates, partisan Democrats as moderators directly participating in debates along with Biden, withholding information for several months and billions being spent by oligarch's, Chinese nationalists, Russian nationalists, European nationalists and Uber-elites supporting all sorts of anarchist groups doing as they please for several months. So, what do you think, should we continue to support and continue being nice  or begin to the pull the plug and become more divisive and disruptive and threatening than before and cause  the Democratic system fail  and watch as millions of Democratic beliefs and dreams are shattered. Dude, we are still standing and we are all still united under the America first banner and there are no limitations on we can do as a group either.

I was  working on a boiler in the home of a leftist today. I had to listen to a bunch of Democrats talking to themselves on NPR for a couple of hours today. I'd say the Democrats are pretty high on themselves and out of touch with reality as far as the rest of the country goes and where the rest of the country is at right now. It's to bad they don't have anyone other than themselves to listen to or ask questions, listen to or learn from these days other themselves and those who agree with them. So, who is paying for NPR these day? Is the Democratic party paying for it or is America paying still paying for it? Who is paying for PBS? The Democrats or America?

BTW, the percent who sucked succeeded in scaring the shit out of bunch of careless Democratic politicians with big mouths but little substance and caused/forced them to overact and go into coccoon mode and revealed their true nature and true color as well. I figure that was all that was needed/intended for now. I didn't hear anything about any violence that took place outside of Washington DC on inauguration day other than the constant violence occurring in Portland and Seattle that's been going on several months.

Biden talks a lot about unity these days. Maybe he can convince McConnell to do the right thing, he thinks. Today McConnell tells him he made a couple of wrong decisions. He chose stopping the pipeline and rejoining the Paris Agreement as his wrong decisions out of the 17 he made; the very two things which I think are the most important decisions Biden made. McConnell implied these decisions put the new bipartisan unity in peril. And I think, we've got to stop McConnell. Where is the unity, then? How do we stop guys like you Classic Xer and guys like Mitch who want to pollute the world and boil it over so humans can no longer support civilization here? Speaking of boilers? How do we settle this? How do we get you guys out of power? How do we take your jobs away, dependent as you are on this effort to destroy our world?
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(01-21-2021, 08:27 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is impossible to prove a non-existent fraud. There is less shadiness in the 2020 Presidential election than there was in 2000. Still we have ways in which to define who wins and does not in accordance with the laws that include procedures for administering the election and counting the votes. In all of the states that were close there have been opportunities for both Parties to clamp down on any possibility of electoral fraud through
  • tampering with machines
  • forged ballots introduced into electoral devices
  • falsification of voting results
  • ineligible votes (such as by the deceased)
  • intimidation of voters
  • people voting in multiple places

This time we had a possible cheat, and it was a non-human participant: COVID-19, a literal threat to anyone who appeared at the polls. COVID-19 is about as welcome at a polling place as is an armed militia that threatens voters with such a message as "VOTE HERE AND DIE". Law enforcement could clear out a militia with such a message, but it can't remove the SARS-2 virus.

Extended time for voting and absentee ballots without excuses can not drive COVID-19 away, but it can certainly keep people from deciding to not vote. If there is any perception that COVID-19 discriminates against any ethnic minority, then states have every right to protect that minority. If it is white people -- likewise.

There were law suits by people associated with the Trump campaign, and they fell flat.  Some states had recounts as mandated by law. Those worked against Trump. 

So you tell me where the cheat was and what the cheat was. So the count came in slow?

Let's take a look at another election. Yes, it was obvious on November 4, 2008  that if Obama amassed 193 electoral votes by 11 PM he was going to win the Presidency because Obama was seen as sure to win California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington with their 77 electoral votes.  At 8:59 ET Obama had amassed 102 electoral votes. Quick calls in several states (MI, MN, NY, RI, and WI) put Obama at 175. There were plenty of states that were close and not yet called, and some yet to even close their polling. 

At 9:23 PM, about everyone concluded that the Republicans had run out of votes in Ohio, and Obama was going to win Ohio. That put Obama at 185. It's over except for waiting for the votes to come in from the West Coast. Well, we know the rest. 

It took two days to count the votes to decide North Carolina, and fifteen days to count the vote in Missouri. Slow counting is possible. Quick calls indicate that the margin is large enough that only a fool would deny the final result. Slow counts indicate a tight margin. Votes counted late (in some states the absentee ballots had to be counted last, and those paradoxically included the first ballots cast) count as much as those cast on Election Day. 

States counted their votes in different orders. Biden started out with leads in Florida, Ohio, and Texas, all of which he lost. 

Yes, yes, yes... I know that you are disappointed with the result. Well guess how I felt in 2016? Elections don't all go our way, do they? Maybe the 74 million who voted for Trump were more convinced that Trump was the necessary choice for a "real America" as you describe it and that the 81 million who voted against him acted in treachery, malice, or delusion (if that is how you see it). That is not how we decide an election.
The Supreme Court refused to get involved. So, its impossible to prove either way until the Supreme Court gets involved and makes a ruling on whether the use of courts to change state election laws in 2020 was legal or not. I suspect there will be a court decision on that issue by 2022. It's going to have to be done to keep the county together because the alternative is going to be a national split and an American war being fought where most of them live. If I were them, I'd ask myself which side is the bulk of the military related to and which side has supported them and how many of them with be left to protect them from the mob and vote accordingly.

Do you know how many Democratic/Biden votes were added due to all the illegal law changes? Do you know how to tell the difference between what would have been an illegal vote and a legal vote now that they've all been counted and declared legal votes? So, I don't really care about the result at this point. The decision has already been made by the political class (the political establishments) and everyone directly associated with them in DC and it's already been determined as legal by all of them. The result has been signed, sealed, delivered and declared official and there's nothing that can be done about it because it's a done deal.  

We know every Democrat and every Democratic lifestyle and every Democratic life is some how related or directly attached to the Democratic party and its existence one way or another. We know there are some Rhino's who are now in the same boat with the Democratic party whether they like it or not at this point. Ain't like that on the Republican side, the lives and lifestyles of the bulk of the Republican base are all directly attached to the American Constitution and the existence of the American country/state. So, that's pretty much where we are at as far as the national divide that exists within the country today. It appears that Biden has embraced Woke culture and will govern as Woke instead of a traditional Democrat. I assume that he's already prepping for his early departure and getting things ready for Kamala to become our next President or the first female Woke President.
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(01-22-2021, 04:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 08:27 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is impossible to prove a non-existent fraud. There is less shadiness in the 2020 Presidential election than there was in 2000. Still we have ways in which to define who wins and does not in accordance with the laws that include procedures for administering the election and counting the votes. In all of the states that were close there have been opportunities for both Parties to clamp down on any possibility of electoral fraud through
  • tampering with machines
  • forged ballots introduced into electoral devices
  • falsification of voting results
  • ineligible votes (such as by the deceased)
  • intimidation of voters
  • people voting in multiple places

This time we had a possible cheat, and it was a non-human participant: COVID-19, a literal threat to anyone who appeared at the polls. COVID-19 is about as welcome at a polling place as is an armed militia that threatens voters with such a message as "VOTE HERE AND DIE". Law enforcement could clear out a militia with such a message, but it can't remove the SARS-2 virus.

Extended time for voting and absentee ballots without excuses can not drive COVID-19 away, but it can certainly keep people from deciding to not vote. If there is any perception that COVID-19 discriminates against any ethnic minority, then states have every right to protect that minority. If it is white people -- likewise.

There were law suits by people associated with the Trump campaign, and they fell flat.  Some states had recounts as mandated by law. Those worked against Trump. 

So you tell me where the cheat was and what the cheat was. So the count came in slow?

Let's take a look at another election. Yes, it was obvious on November 4, 2008  that if Obama amassed 193 electoral votes by 11 PM he was going to win the Presidency because Obama was seen as sure to win California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington with their 77 electoral votes.  At 8:59 ET Obama had amassed 102 electoral votes. Quick calls in several states (MI, MN, NY, RI, and WI) put Obama at 175. There were plenty of states that were close and not yet called, and some yet to even close their polling. 

At 9:23 PM, about everyone concluded that the Republicans had run out of votes in Ohio, and Obama was going to win Ohio. That put Obama at 185. It's over except for waiting for the votes to come in from the West Coast. Well, we know the rest. 

It took two days to count the votes to decide North Carolina, and fifteen days to count the vote in Missouri. Slow counting is possible. Quick calls indicate that the margin is large enough that only a fool would deny the final result. Slow counts indicate a tight margin. Votes counted late (in some states the absentee ballots had to be counted last, and those paradoxically included the first ballots cast) count as much as those cast on Election Day. 

States counted their votes in different orders. Biden started out with leads in Florida, Ohio, and Texas, all of which he lost. 

Yes, yes, yes... I know that you are disappointed with the result. Well guess how I felt in 2016? Elections don't all go our way, do they? Maybe the 74 million who voted for Trump were more convinced that Trump was the necessary choice for a "real America" as you describe it and that the 81 million who voted against him acted in treachery, malice, or delusion (if that is how you see it). That is not how we decide an election.

The Supreme Court refused to get involved. So, its impossible to prove either way until the Supreme Court gets involved and makes a ruling on whether the  use of courts to change state election laws in 2020 was legal or not. I suspect there will be a court  decision on that issue  by 2022. It's going to have to be done to keep the county together because the alternative is going to be a national split and an American  war being fought where most of them live. If I were them, I'd ask myself which side is the bulk of the military related to and which side has supported them and how many of them with be left to protect them from the mob and vote accordingly.

"No standing". One of the lawsuits was Texas against Pennsylvania, in which Texas pols claimed that the Pennsylvania count was wrong. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case because no evidence suggested that Texas had any right to challenge Pennsylvania's vote. Pennsylvania did nothing to disenfranchise Texas voters.  


Quote:Do you know how many Democratic/Biden votes were added due to all the illegal law changes? Do you know how to tell the difference between what would have been an illegal vote and a legal vote now that they've all been counted and declared legal votes?  So, I don't really care about the result at this point. The decision has already been made by the political class (the political establishments) and everyone directly associated with them in DC and it's already been determined as legal by all of them. The result has  been signed, sealed, delivered and declared official and there's nothing that can be done about it because it's a done deal.
 
No; I have no idea. Voter participation went up greatly for the 2018 midterm election; this should be a portent.  Except for Iowa, all states that gave a plurality of their Congressional votes to Democrats in contested races went for Biden in 2020. The Millennial Generation had been relatively light in voting before 2018; that is over. Millennial voters are about 20% more D than R, and they were the bulk of the new voters supplanting older voters (55+) dying off who on the whole were about 5% more R than D. About 1.6% of the electorate quits voting due either to death or debility, and that alone explains the shift in the popular vote. That was enough to swing Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. That was enough to derail the "Trump Train".  

Quote:We know every Democrat and every Democratic lifestyle and every Democratic life is some how related or directly attached to the Democratic party and  its existence one way or another. We know there are some RINO's who are now in the same boat with the Democratic party whether they like it or not at this point. Ain't like that on the Republican side, the  lives and lifestyles of the bulk of the Republican base  are all directly attached to the American Constitution and the existence of the American country/state. So, that's pretty much where we are at as far as the national divide that exists within the country today. It appears that Biden has embraced Woke culture and will govern as Woke instead of a traditional Democrat. I assume that he's already prepping for his early departure and getting things ready for Kamala to become our next President or the first female Woke President.

We Democrats have a wider variety of ways of life than you give us credit for. There is no particularly "Democratic" lifestyle, and many of us identify ourselves in different ways. We recognize the same Constitution and the same flag. We weren't the ones who stormed the Capitol. It's the same country whether one is in Union City, California; Union City, New Jersey; or Union City, Tennessee.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-22-2021, 12:30 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(01-22-2021, 04:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 08:27 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is impossible to prove a non-existent fraud. There is less shadiness in the 2020 Presidential election than there was in 2000. Still we have ways in which to define who wins and does not in accordance with the laws that include procedures for administering the election and counting the votes. In all of the states that were close there have been opportunities for both Parties to clamp down on any possibility of electoral fraud through
  • tampering with machines
  • forged ballots introduced into electoral devices
  • falsification of voting results
  • ineligible votes (such as by the deceased)
  • intimidation of voters
  • people voting in multiple places

This time we had a possible cheat, and it was a non-human participant: COVID-19, a literal threat to anyone who appeared at the polls. COVID-19 is about as welcome at a polling place as is an armed militia that threatens voters with such a message as "VOTE HERE AND DIE". Law enforcement could clear out a militia with such a message, but it can't remove the SARS-2 virus.

Extended time for voting and absentee ballots without excuses can not drive COVID-19 away, but it can certainly keep people from deciding to not vote. If there is any perception that COVID-19 discriminates against any ethnic minority, then states have every right to protect that minority. If it is white people -- likewise.

There were law suits by people associated with the Trump campaign, and they fell flat.  Some states had recounts as mandated by law. Those worked against Trump. 

So you tell me where the cheat was and what the cheat was. So the count came in slow?

Let's take a look at another election. Yes, it was obvious on November 4, 2008  that if Obama amassed 193 electoral votes by 11 PM he was going to win the Presidency because Obama was seen as sure to win California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington with their 77 electoral votes.  At 8:59 ET Obama had amassed 102 electoral votes. Quick calls in several states (MI, MN, NY, RI, and WI) put Obama at 175. There were plenty of states that were close and not yet called, and some yet to even close their polling. 

At 9:23 PM, about everyone concluded that the Republicans had run out of votes in Ohio, and Obama was going to win Ohio. That put Obama at 185. It's over except for waiting for the votes to come in from the West Coast. Well, we know the rest. 

It took two days to count the votes to decide North Carolina, and fifteen days to count the vote in Missouri. Slow counting is possible. Quick calls indicate that the margin is large enough that only a fool would deny the final result. Slow counts indicate a tight margin. Votes counted late (in some states the absentee ballots had to be counted last, and those paradoxically included the first ballots cast) count as much as those cast on Election Day. 

States counted their votes in different orders. Biden started out with leads in Florida, Ohio, and Texas, all of which he lost. 

Yes, yes, yes... I know that you are disappointed with the result. Well guess how I felt in 2016? Elections don't all go our way, do they? Maybe the 74 million who voted for Trump were more convinced that Trump was the necessary choice for a "real America" as you describe it and that the 81 million who voted against him acted in treachery, malice, or delusion (if that is how you see it). That is not how we decide an election.

The Supreme Court refused to get involved. So, its impossible to prove either way until the Supreme Court gets involved and makes a ruling on whether the  use of courts to change state election laws in 2020 was legal or not. I suspect there will be a court  decision on that issue  by 2022. It's going to have to be done to keep the county together because the alternative is going to be a national split and an American  war being fought where most of them live. If I were them, I'd ask myself which side is the bulk of the military related to and which side has supported them and how many of them with be left to protect them from the mob and vote accordingly.

"No standing". One of the lawsuits was Texas against Pennsylvania, in which Texas pols claimed that the Pennsylvania count was wrong. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case because no evidence suggested that Texas had any right to challenge Pennsylvania's vote. Pennsylvania did nothing to disenfranchise Texas voters.  


Quote:Do you know how many Democratic/Biden votes were added due to all the illegal law changes? Do you know how to tell the difference between what would have been an illegal vote and a legal vote now that they've all been counted and declared legal votes?  So, I don't really care about the result at this point. The decision has already been made by the political class (the political establishments) and everyone directly associated with them in DC and it's already been determined as legal by all of them. The result has  been signed, sealed, delivered and declared official and there's nothing that can be done about it because it's a done deal.
 
No; I have no idea. Voter participation went up greatly for the 2018 midterm election; this should be a portent.  Except for Iowa, all states that gave a plurality of their Congressional votes to Democrats in contested races went for Biden in 2020. The Millennial Generation had been relatively light in voting before 2018; that is over. Millennial voters are about 20% more D than R, and they were the bulk of the new voters supplanting older voters (55+) dying off who on the whole were about 5% more R than D. About 1.6% of the electorate quits voting due either to death or debility, and that alone explains the shift in the popular vote. That was enough to swing Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. That was enough to derail the "Trump Train".  

Quote:We know every Democrat and every Democratic lifestyle and every Democratic life is some how related or directly attached to the Democratic party and  its existence one way or another. We know there are some RINO's who are now in the same boat with the Democratic party whether they like it or not at this point. Ain't like that on the Republican side, the  lives and lifestyles of the bulk of the Republican base  are all directly attached to the American Constitution and the existence of the American country/state. So, that's pretty much where we are at as far as the national divide that exists within the country today. It appears that Biden has embraced Woke culture and will govern as Woke instead of a traditional Democrat. I assume that he's already prepping for his early departure and getting things ready for Kamala to become our next President or the first female Woke President.

We Democrats have a wider variety of ways of life than you give us credit for. There is no particularly "Democratic" lifestyle, and many of us identify ourselves in different ways. We recognize the same Constitution and the same flag. We weren't the ones who stormed the Capitol. It's the same country whether one is in Union City, California; Union City, New Jersey; or Union City, Tennessee.
PB, if this trend continues, the D's aren't going to matter to the R's because the D's and R's will be living in separate countries. The D's don't recognize the Constitution or the rule of law or respect/represent the flag either. A portion of them do but I'd say that most D's don't these days. I'd say that you're a borderline American D at best these days. In reality, you are a member of a group of Democrats and that's it. Is America the same country as it was at the turn of the last century? Is America still a developing nation with a shorter history or is America a developed nation with a longer history today? How many Americans care if George Washington owned slaves? How many Democrats either want or believe that America ought to get rid of George Washington because he owned slaves? You and every other Democrat better wake up and start thinking like Americans because you're all being judged by millions of Americans today. The GOP has pretty much been sidelined and the D's are pretty much facing a very large American population right now.
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(01-22-2021, 04:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 07:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-21-2021, 02:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 01:14 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-18-2021, 12:20 PM)David Horn Wrote: Massive voter fraud can't be easily hidden, so yes, one month was more than enough time to find evidence -- any evidence -- yet none was found.

It can be hidden when elections laws are changed illegally and left as is for the most part and the voter turn out is much higher on both sides than normal across the entire country. Okay. You won by default because the numbers weren't heavily skewed. You elected a President who is mentally incompetent and you have a VP who isn't there because she's great or she's popular or she was really good at governing a state or managing anything important (including her own Presidential campaign) . So, what should happen to you and the others here who didn't use their brains, didn't listen, didn't care and those who are dumb enough or desperate enough or greedy enough or deviant enough to go along with electing Biden.

So changing laws, or their interpretation at least, is illegal when your side loses, but perfectly fine when you win. Got it!  And of course, challenges to state lawsfrom our of state are great under those same rules. Apparently the courts, including courts overseen by RW judges, don't agree.

C-Xer Wrote:Here's the deal, you are about to face the wrath of the American people and about to experience a repeat of American history and the Democrats are probably (maybe there's enough worth while Democrats left who are willing to fall on their swords to prevent the inevitable collision between the Left and the American right) on the verge of being removed by force or left to be over run by an angry hoard of barbarians that it created as the rest of America watches. Either way, your time (the time of the Progressive  Democrats) is coming to an end. In short, you have met your match. Eric has met his match and PB and Bob will prove to be worthless non factors when the all the violence and disruption starts.

You seem to love threatening the wrath of the "American people", yet your side lost.  So who are the 81 Million if not Americans?

As an aside: only 1%+/- of the MAGA voters are in the game.  90+% of those loudmouths are all talk.  Of the remaining ~10%, most are incompetent at revolutionary action, so you have maybe 2% of 1% who will act.  That's about the number that attacked Congress, and they sucked at it.

Aren't you all talk? Aren't the bulk of you all talk? I talk some but not nearly as much as all of you guys talk here. I spend more time doing than sitting on my ass talking dude. I also spend more of my time talking to people face to face and settling disputes face to face or on a phone than I spend writing stuff with people like you, writing responses, writing predictions and trying to show and explain the difference between the way American see things and the Democrats see things to you and others here.

Our side barely lost a heavily rigged election that had  illegal election law changes along with the assistance of tech giants, cable news giants, national channel giants who were  hammering us, calling us this and that, banning us and shutting us up, partisan Democrats controlling national debates, partisan Democrats as moderators directly participating in debates along with Biden, withholding information for several months and billions being spent by oligarch's, Chinese nationalists, Russian nationalists, European nationalists and Uber-elites supporting all sorts of anarchist groups doing as they please for several months. So, what do you think, should we continue to support and continue being nice  or begin to the pull the plug and become more divisive and disruptive and threatening than before and cause  the Democratic system fail  and watch as millions of Democratic beliefs and dreams are shattered. Dude, we are still standing and we are all still united under the America first banner and there are no limitations on we can do as a group either.

I was  working on a boiler in the home of a leftist today. I had to listen to a bunch of Democrats talking to themselves on NPR for a couple of hours today. I'd say the Democrats are pretty high on themselves and out of touch with reality as far as the rest of the country goes and where the rest of the country is at right now. It's to bad they don't have anyone other than themselves to listen to or ask questions, listen to or learn from these days other themselves and those who agree with them. So, who is paying for NPR these day? Is the Democratic party paying for it or is America paying still paying for it? Who is paying for PBS? The Democrats or America?

BTW, the percent who sucked succeeded in scaring the shit out of bunch of careless Democratic politicians with big mouths but little substance and caused/forced them to overact and go into coccoon mode and revealed their true nature and true color as well. I figure that was all that was needed/intended for now. I didn't hear anything about any violence that took place outside of Washington DC on inauguration day other than the constant violence occurring in Portland and Seattle that's been going on several months.

Biden talks a lot about unity these days. Maybe he can convince McConnell to do the right thing, he thinks. Today McConnell tells him he made a couple of wrong decisions. He chose stopping the pipeline and rejoining the Paris Agreement as his wrong decisions out of the 17 he made; the very two things which I think are the most important decisions Biden made. McConnell implied these decisions put the new bipartisan unity in peril. And I think, we've got to stop McConnell. Where is the unity, then? How do we stop guys like you Classic Xer and guys like Mitch who want to pollute the world and boil it over so humans can no longer support civilization here? Speaking of boilers? How do we settle this? How do we get you guys out of power? How do we take your jobs away, dependent as you are on this effort to destroy our world?
How many times have we seen something done or passed in a moment that is determined to be unconstitutional later on? OK. We are basically in the in between period right now. The Supreme court is going to have to rule on it or run the risk of doing nothing about it and watching as history repeats itself again on a much larger scale. What's a government like that worth? Is it worth 5 trillion a year? Maybe, if you're a worthless Democrat or a big government Democrat or a Woke Democrat or a socialist Democrat or a Wall Street Democrat? How do we settle this? We don't settle this, we leave this to play out and pull the plug and move on with most of the country. I think its pretty clear that we aren't coming out of this in one piece.

Yep. Biden talks a lot but doesn't appear to be thinking much and it's already beginning to show and his fitness is already being questioned. Biden ran on rejoining the Paris Agreement so that shouldn't be a surprise. He also mentioned having an interest in depleting oil production and phasing out oil production altogether during one of the debates which could have been viewed as a ploy that turned out to be true and more serious that surprised McConnell. It shouldn't have, Trump got it out of him and nailed him on it. McConnell made the mistake of relying on laurels that no longer exist in politics today. The same mistake McCain made with Obama in 08' as well. The same mistake the GOP made in 2016 and 2020 as well. Like I've mentioned before, the American right are on to you and the Democrats and we won't be making the same mistakes as them. I see that we are going to be dealing with a Woke administration lead by a token queen backed up by another token queen. Well, I'm pretty sure American cancel culture has the free to do whatever it takes to annihilate them (a political cult). It may be a bit scary, but that is what the American right has the power to do and that's the reason why the American Right is here and why it's so large these days.
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