Like most millennials, I clash a bit with boomers over a few issues, but at the same time, from what I do know about the immediate post war period...it's hard not to empathize a little. When you consider that societal values tend to spawn most intensely in a 2T, and that Civics tend to pass on values primarily from the Idealist midlifers around when they were growing up, it means not only strongly enforced conformity, but growing up with values originating 3 turnings (like 60-70 years) ago. 

So I guess the question is: what was it like back then? Did you like it better then? Better now? In what ways did you feel constrained?

Have at it! Hit me with your most controversial opinions about politics. As this is the "theory related political discussions" subforum, let's stick to theoretical opinions rather than ones about specific people or organizations, but other than that, let'a rip!

When things finally do get better, what do you think you'll be doing overall?

fwiw, I did not vote for him either time (in 2020 for example, I voted for Edward Snowden), but the vast majority of anyone to the left of Ted Cruise seems completely out of touch with why the American public voted him in. 

The reason is glaringly obvious: we need something to feel good about. It's true that any intellectually honest, independent thinking person should be able to look the problems of their country in the face, it's true that that we have some major issues that we can no longer continue to ignore, and it's true that deriving your entire self-worth from some sort of ethno-collectivist identity is kinda pathetic. Nonetheless, the simple truth is that you need to boost morale in order to get through a crisis, and at the moment we don't have that. Instead, we've been 
- spitting on masculinity for the better part of 30 years
- guilt tripping parents over concerns for overpopulation (actually, even before that. lots of Xers are justifiably salty over a childhood where they were treated like carbon machines of whom less should have been born)
- guilt tripping normal Americans for their "materialistic western lifestyle" for something as innocuous as driving to work. not all of us want cheaper oil so we can afford another voyage around the world in our yacht.
- focusing only on how we enslaved free people rather than how we freed enslaved people. we need to focus on both, not just one or the other.
- telling people they're "racist Nazis" for being nationalistic or patriotic 
- talking about who "greedy and selfish" it is to have any ambition past having enough to be barely comfortable. 

Seriously, everyone talks about all this "compassion" this, "empathy" that, but....no one actually shows any. 90% of the time, when you hear this term being thrown around, it's done in a bitchy, condescending tone and used to browbeat people with legitimate self-interests into shutting up because they aren't the hot cause at the moment (ex: as a gay millennial, it's hilarious to watch people from around my graduating class admonish people over absurd claims of "homophobia", after being a largely homophobic generation themselves until only a decade or so ago).

Does anyone unironically think sanctimonious college students, soccer moms and vegans are going to get us out of a crisis era? Where is the motivation? Where is the vigor, the pride, the confident pursuit of victory? Say what you will about Donald Trump, he was willing to offer these. Sure, he was cocky, braggadocios, crude, etc, but if you pay attention to his more important speeches, most of them were about reminding Americans about what we have done well, what we can continue to achieve (and yes, he includes several example of blacks, hispanics, immigrants, etc. not just WASP from the ol' boy's club). 


I'm not asking for a return to the naïve days where people glorified war and impulsively charged into battle over causes they knew nothing about. That kind of unbridled emotionalism is not what we need right now. What we do need, desperately, is leadership that can boost our morale and restore some feeling of power and vitality. At this point, I don't know who it's going to be, but there is a reason America has never made it through a 4th turning without a Grey Champion, and the longer we put off looking for one who has the necessary constitution, the worse off we will be.

As usual, I'll start by example (moderate conservative/libertarian)

1) Externalities are a thing. Most economic text books devote like 1 page to them, when really they need at least a whole course to properly explain, because they are the norm with regards to real-world behavior, not the exception. 
2) I understand the contempt many right wingers hold for the moral high ground games so often played by our opponents, but at the same time...we've become so averse to approaching. things from this angle that people have forgotten that we even have morality to begin with. If people have no idea what your values are in the first place (and studies have shown that, with conservatives, most people don't), you have a problem.
3) Rhetorically, conservatives are supposed to be the "steady hand" that provides stability and tradition, while liberals are supposed to be the "rebel against the system!" side of politics. In practice, what I see is the exact opposite. Mainstream conservative politics needs to chill with the Alex Joneses and Gordon Gekkos and take back the frame of being the "sensible, down to earth" image. 
4) Ideally, our beliefs and policies should speak for themselves regardless of race, but in practice, they don't. We need to make a more conscious effort to communicate "capitalism still works for you if you're latino", "conservatism still works for you if you're black". 
5) Similarly, I think we need to make attempts to appeal to more types of personalities. Don't get me wrong, I love scrappy entrepreneurs and sinister Lex Luthor financiers (I am a stock trader, this is me and about half my friends, and I don't regret it for a second), but.....90% of people have nothing in common for that. You can't form an entire political party or ideology based on a niche personality and expect it to work.
6) You have to at least fund the basics like transit and infrastructure so people can actually...get to work. 
7) Aren't we supposed to be the "social responsibility" side of politics? That's kinda the role conservatives play pretty much everywhere else. It only seems logical for us to return to that a bit. 
8) The "just learn to code"/"embrace the gig economy" shtick is not working. Most people are not high IQ enough to do that.
9) People getting rich because they were intelligent or productive is great. Allowing a system which is lose enough for the winners to buy up the game entirely? .....no. We should have been much more cynical about the possibility from the outset. The new wave of formerly-liberal right wingers really have a point when they criticize us for not doing enough to curb those tendencies in the past. Checks and balances have to apply to any powerful organization, not just the government. Otherwise you end up with a world of corrupt bureaucracy and the illusion of accountability.

In general, recessive generations (reactive/nomad and artist/adaptive) get overlooked and get the raw end of the deal as far as history is concerned, but they have one huge advantage over dominant (idealist/prophet and civic/hero) generations in one crucial respect: settling down and starting a family. 1T and 3T are great periods to set hitched, get a house and start a family. 2T not so much, and 4T?....forget it. 

For millennials, even those of us in the middle wave have been feeling this pressure for awhile. "No, not yet. I'm not financially secure enough to start a family. I need to save up more first". All our shortcomings aside, we're a fairly responsible generation on the whole and want to wait to have children until we know they can have adequate provisions. In the quieter times of the unraveling or the high, this would have been an easier task to accomplish, but in the throes of a 4T, it feels Herculean.

I never thought that I would get to drive such a car, but I can start by telling you the circumstances. One of my tires had a blow-out while I was driving 70 on a rural Interstate. I had to drive to a safe place to park, call a tow truck, call my insurance company, and get a ride back home. This I thought might be my only chance to experience such a car. I am not going to give the manufacturer or make, so I will not be spamming.  There are obvious eccentricities by the conventions of the vehicles that I have known, and one of those is that there is no real car key. The key fob starts the car by a something resembling a remote control. This could work on gas buggies, too, and I might expect that innovation to become the norm on the last such cars to be built. This said, the big questions are how it handles.

First, the electric car is much quieter. On the gas-powered car one can often get some idea of one's speed from the road engine noise. Road noise remains, but engine noise is practically nil. Be careful; it is easy to speed in such a car or to drive too slow for freeway conditions. Until you get accustomed to the car, avoid the cruise control because the car operates differently. The ride is smoother because of fewer vibrations.

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or from southern California to the area around this bridge



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For as much as millennials like to bitch about boomers, the woke ones certainly try very hard to emulate them. It's debatable whether the majority of millennials could be considered woke, but whether they're a conventional majority of a very loud, influential minority, there are a lot of them and, for better or for worse, we need to deal with them. 

Their entire movement seems like a cheap reenactment of the Consciousness Awakening, stripped of its creativity and genuine non-conformity 
- protest exactly the same causes their parents told them to (women's rights, environmentalism, equality, etc)
- rather than focusing on new, original content, they rehash remakes of tried and true franchises, just with more women and black people 
- preach about "having your voice heard"...only to turn around and try to micro manage your tone, demeanor and choice of words
- "defund the police"...and then trying desperately to police other people themselves whenever given the opportunity 
- fixating on "specialness" and "diversity", while displaying conformity in most areas of life 
- during the 60s and 70s, drugs and sexual exploration were about discovery, open mindedness, becoming aware of repressed desires. nowadays, it's mostly associated with contempt for the other gender and a generalized, self-hating desire for the society we grew up in to go up in flames. 


Speaking as a millennial from the other end, I never wanted another awakening. Frankly, I think "creativity" is extremely overrated at the societal level, at least in the sense of it not being the main thing we need right now, but while I have no desire to do a bunch of drugs, go to a music festival or go have a bunch of sex with flamboyantly dressed dandies, I can at least understand the historical context that gave the previous awakening a bit more historical legitimacy. 

In 2022....no! We are in the midst of a virus, living through a crippling recession with shortages, infrastructure breakdown and high wealth inequality and on the brink of potential nuclear war. This isn't the time to "find yourself", it isn't the time to debate the nuances or just what does or does not constitute "gender-biased language", and it sure as hell isn't the time to go dancing around in vagina hats and expecting to be taken seriously.   It's time to focus on solving problems.

I've had this on my mind lately.

Everybody Wants To Rule The World by Tears For Fears is a very 3T song in its lyrics, for example.


Anyone have any others?