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(08-12-2019, 06:48 AM)Anthony Wrote: (08-11-2019, 10:54 AM)Ghost Wrote: (08-11-2019, 09:12 AM)Anthony Wrote: No way was 2008 the start of any Crisis. Unemployment only got up to 10.2% (in October 2019) - while in November and December of 1982 it reached 10.8%.
Yet 9/11 never really changed anything: Not only didn't the Culture Wars not diffuse, they actually intensified - Lawrence v. Texas, 2003, Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 2018.
So what I have chosen to do is to do something unique and declare 9/11 a "half-catalyst" that moved us into a place between a 3T and 4T - where we will remain until the 2020 election, when a Super Civil War Anomaly (and a Second Civil War itself) will break out.
What do you think are the "bridge zones" between the turnings? In my opinion, they go like this:
4T to 1T: 1942-1945 (starts with Stalingrad and ends with the end of WWII)
1T to 2T: 1960-1965 (starts with the introduction of the birth control pill and ends with the start of America's involvement in Vietnam)
2T to 3T: 1978-1984 (starts with Carter's popularity slightly slipping and ends with Reagan's 1984 landslide victory)
3T to 4T: 2001-2008 (starts with 9/11 and ends with the 2008 financial crisis)
One common trend I seem to notice is that over time, bridge zones between "turning periods" keep getting bigger.
Bridge between 4T and 1T is 3 years long.
Bridge between 1T and 2T is 5 years long.
Bridge between 2T and 3T is 6 years long.
Bridge between 3T and 4T is 7 years long.
I really do not know if 2T/3T bridge is correct and if it isn't, please let me know.
9/11 is still at the early end of your "bridge" range - but as I have stated previously, 9/11 caused a Civil War anomaly in reverse, since it did not unite the country the way Pearl Harbor did; indeed, the Culture Wars have not only raged on, but have become more violent - with the worst very likely to come, in Portland this coming Saturday.
As for the 2T/3T thing, the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and the concomitant release of the hostages from Iran works perfectly. Take it from a dude who was there, and who saw the two events on split screen, as they happened, tying them up into a neat little red-white-and-blue bow - and putting me on the young side of a very real generational divide (up to that point I had always believed that "hippie" was short for "hypocrite" and that "New Age" rhymed with "sewage").
I always thought that the 1980 election and John Lennon's assassination marked the turning point between 2T and 3T, but that would only make the bridge a four-and-a-half week period rather than a legitimate bridge.
The one thing I am really confused about though is if my 1978 starting date for the 2T/3T transition is correct, because other than the fact that it was the year where Carter's popularity starts dipping a little bit, there doesn't really seem to be anything 3T about the year.
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08-12-2019, 10:24 AM
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And going back to the OP: There are actually six generations still alive: See Henry Kissinger, Hugh Downs (who hosted the TV game show Concentration, which inspired the Gen-X classic board game Husker Du?), Betty White, Jimmy Carter, Russell Nelson (President of the LDS/Mormon Church), etc.
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(08-12-2019, 10:24 AM)Anthony Wrote: And going back to the OP: There are actually six generations still alive: See Henry Kissinger, Hugh Downs (who hosted the TV game show Concentration, which inspired the Gen-X classic board game Husker Du?), Betty White, Jimmy Carter, Russell Nelson (President of the LDS/Mormon Church), etc.
What are your thoughts on the 18-year theory/Michael Alexander theory when it comes to generations? In my opinion, it seems to be the least controversial:
Civil War Saeculum
1802-1819: Transcendental Generation
1820-1837: Gilded Generation
1838-1855: Bleeding Generation
1856-1873: Progressive Generation
Great Power Saeculum
1874-1891: Idealists
1892-1909: Automobile Generation
1910-1927: GI Generaiton
1928-1945: Silent Generation
Millennial Saeculum
1946-1963: Baby Boomers
1964-1981: Generation X
1982-1999: Millennials
2000-2017: Homelanders
Post-Millennial Saeculum
2018-2035: Neo-Prophets
2036-2053: Unnamed nomad generation
2054-2071: Unnamed hero generation
2072-2089: Unnamed artist generation
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It's the "least controversial" in the sense that no one pays attention to it, maybe. With the sole exception of the end of WWII, it doesn't align with anything.
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JFK's assassination is of less historical note than MLK's assassination in 1968. Big whoop. Y2K was of even less significance.
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(08-12-2019, 04:37 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: JFK's assassination is of less historical note than MLK's assassination in 1968. Big whoop. Y2K was of even less significance.
What do you believe is the 2T length then?
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I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
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08-13-2019, 09:15 AM
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(08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
I'm a bit hesitant on including 1927 as Silents and 1999 as Gen Z because 1927 borns were old enough to go to WWII and 1999 borns already graduated high school before Parkland, likely the first event where Gen Z actually made an impact.
Probably not as important, but 1927 borns were the last to be at high school when Pearl Harbor happened and the last to be able to vote in the 1948 election. 1999 borns, on the other hand, were the last to be at school before Web 2.0 and also the last to graduate high school before the #MeToo movement and Generation Z actually gaining an identity separate from that of the Millennials with Fortnite, tide pods, and "Gen Z yellow".
I'm not really sure about the "remembering 9/11" rule because there could be this one guy born in 1999 who lived in NYC at the time who remembered it and another guy born in 1996 who lived in California at the time who didn't. I'm not saying that this will always be the case as it is very rare, but some people can start to form memories at age 2. ( https://io9.gizmodo.com/new-evidence-tha...es-5870377)
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(08-12-2019, 10:24 AM)Anthony Wrote: And going back to the OP: There are actually six generations still alive: See Henry Kissinger, Hugh Downs (who hosted the TV game show Concentration, which inspired the Gen-X classic board game Husker Du?), Betty White, Jimmy Carter, Russell Nelson (President of the LDS/Mormon Church), etc.
Except for the Mormon leader (probably), they aren't really doing much.
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(08-12-2019, 06:48 AM)Anthony Wrote: (08-11-2019, 10:54 AM)Ghost Wrote: (08-11-2019, 09:12 AM)Anthony Wrote: No way was 2008 the start of any Crisis. Unemployment only got up to 10.2% (in October 2019) - while in November and December of 1982 it reached 10.8%.
Yet 9/11 never really changed anything: Not only didn't the Culture Wars not diffuse, they actually intensified - Lawrence v. Texas, 2003, Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 2018.
So what I have chosen to do is to do something unique and declare 9/11 a "half-catalyst" that moved us into a place between a 3T and 4T - where we will remain until the 2020 election, when a Super Civil War Anomaly (and a Second Civil War itself) will break out.
What do you think are the "bridge zones" between the turnings? In my opinion, they go like this:
4T to 1T: 1942-1945 (starts with Stalingrad and ends with the end of WWII)
1T to 2T: 1960-1965 (starts with the introduction of the birth control pill and ends with the start of America's involvement in Vietnam)
2T to 3T: 1978-1984 (starts with Carter's popularity slightly slipping and ends with Reagan's 1984 landslide victory)
3T to 4T: 2001-2008 (starts with 9/11 and ends with the 2008 financial crisis)
One common trend I seem to notice is that over time, bridge zones between "turning periods" keep getting bigger.
Bridge between 4T and 1T is 3 years long.
Bridge between 1T and 2T is 5 years long.
Bridge between 2T and 3T is 6 years long.
Bridge between 3T and 4T is 7 years long.
I really do not know if 2T/3T bridge is correct and if it isn't, please let me know.
9/11 is still at the early end of your "bridge" range - but as I have stated previously, 9/11 caused a Civil War anomaly in reverse, since it did not unite the country the way Pearl Harbor did; indeed, the Culture Wars have not only raged on, but have become more violent - with the worst very likely to come, in Portland this coming Saturday.
As for the 2T/3T thing, the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and the concomitant release of the hostages from Iran works perfectly. Take it from a dude who was there, and who saw the two events on split screen, as they happened, tying them up into a neat little red-white-and-blue bow - and putting me on the young side of a very real generational divide (up to that point I had always believed that "hippie" was short for "hypocrite" and that "New Age" rhymed with "sewage").
Some don't even have "bridge ranges" at all. What are your thoughts on people who say that 9/11 was the start of 4T? In a way, I can see it because of how it "made America lose its innocence" and changed the American way of life completely.
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(08-14-2019, 10:54 PM)Ghost Wrote: (08-12-2019, 06:48 AM)Anthony Wrote: (08-11-2019, 10:54 AM)Ghost Wrote: (08-11-2019, 09:12 AM)Anthony Wrote: No way was 2008 the start of any Crisis. Unemployment only got up to 10.2% (in October 2019) - while in November and December of 1982 it reached 10.8%.
Yet 9/11 never really changed anything: Not only didn't the Culture Wars not diffuse, they actually intensified - Lawrence v. Texas, 2003, Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 2018.
So what I have chosen to do is to do something unique and declare 9/11 a "half-catalyst" that moved us into a place between a 3T and 4T - where we will remain until the 2020 election, when a Super Civil War Anomaly (and a Second Civil War itself) will break out.
What do you think are the "bridge zones" between the turnings? In my opinion, they go like this:
4T to 1T: 1942-1945 (starts with Stalingrad and ends with the end of WWII)
1T to 2T: 1960-1965 (starts with the introduction of the birth control pill and ends with the start of America's involvement in Vietnam)
2T to 3T: 1978-1984 (starts with Carter's popularity slightly slipping and ends with Reagan's 1984 landslide victory)
3T to 4T: 2001-2008 (starts with 9/11 and ends with the 2008 financial crisis)
One common trend I seem to notice is that over time, bridge zones between "turning periods" keep getting bigger.
Bridge between 4T and 1T is 3 years long.
Bridge between 1T and 2T is 5 years long.
Bridge between 2T and 3T is 6 years long.
Bridge between 3T and 4T is 7 years long.
I really do not know if 2T/3T bridge is correct and if it isn't, please let me know.
9/11 is still at the early end of your "bridge" range - but as I have stated previously, 9/11 caused a Civil War anomaly in reverse, since it did not unite the country the way Pearl Harbor did; indeed, the Culture Wars have not only raged on, but have become more violent - with the worst very likely to come, in Portland this coming Saturday.
As for the 2T/3T thing, the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and the concomitant release of the hostages from Iran works perfectly. Take it from a dude who was there, and who saw the two events on split screen, as they happened, tying them up into a neat little red-white-and-blue bow - and putting me on the young side of a very real generational divide (up to that point I had always believed that "hippie" was short for "hypocrite" and that "New Age" rhymed with "sewage").
Some don't even have "bridge ranges" at all. What are your thoughts on people who say that 9/11 was the start of 4T? In a way, I can see it because of how it "made America lose its innocence" and changed the American way of life completely.
So did WW1 yet that was considered the 3T.
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Is it possible the 2016 election is/was the dividing line between Millennials and subsequent Artist cuspers. If you were in college and/or old enough to vote in the 2016 election you're probably still a Millennial as you were more likely to be personally affected by the result and didn't merely register it as "something your parents were watching on the news." So if you were at least 18 on November 9, 2016 you're probably still a Millennial, especially if you were already out of high school.
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(08-14-2019, 10:54 PM)Ghost Wrote: (08-12-2019, 06:48 AM)Anthony Wrote: (08-11-2019, 10:54 AM)Ghost Wrote: (08-11-2019, 09:12 AM)Anthony Wrote: No way was 2008 the start of any Crisis. Unemployment only got up to 10.2% (in October 2019) - while in November and December of 1982 it reached 10.8%.
Yet 9/11 never really changed anything: Not only didn't the Culture Wars not diffuse, they actually intensified - Lawrence v. Texas, 2003, Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 2018.
So what I have chosen to do is to do something unique and declare 9/11 a "half-catalyst" that moved us into a place between a 3T and 4T - where we will remain until the 2020 election, when a Super Civil War Anomaly (and a Second Civil War itself) will break out.
What do you think are the "bridge zones" between the turnings? In my opinion, they go like this:
4T to 1T: 1942-1945 (starts with Stalingrad and ends with the end of WWII)
1T to 2T: 1960-1965 (starts with the introduction of the birth control pill and ends with the start of America's involvement in Vietnam)
2T to 3T: 1978-1984 (starts with Carter's popularity slightly slipping and ends with Reagan's 1984 landslide victory)
3T to 4T: 2001-2008 (starts with 9/11 and ends with the 2008 financial crisis)
One common trend I seem to notice is that over time, bridge zones between "turning periods" keep getting bigger.
Bridge between 4T and 1T is 3 years long.
Bridge between 1T and 2T is 5 years long.
Bridge between 2T and 3T is 6 years long.
Bridge between 3T and 4T is 7 years long.
I really do not know if 2T/3T bridge is correct and if it isn't, please let me know.
9/11 is still at the early end of your "bridge" range - but as I have stated previously, 9/11 caused a Civil War anomaly in reverse, since it did not unite the country the way Pearl Harbor did; indeed, the Culture Wars have not only raged on, but have become more violent - with the worst very likely to come, in Portland this coming Saturday.
As for the 2T/3T thing, the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and the concomitant release of the hostages from Iran works perfectly. Take it from a dude who was there, and who saw the two events on split screen, as they happened, tying them up into a neat little red-white-and-blue bow - and putting me on the young side of a very real generational divide (up to that point I had always believed that "hippie" was short for "hypocrite" and that "New Age" rhymed with "sewage").
Some don't even have "bridge ranges" at all. What are your thoughts on people who say that 9/11 was the start of 4T? In a way, I can see it because of how it "made America lose its innocence" and changed the American way of life completely.
No, after 9-11 Americans continued on as before. The nation was NOT called to battle as in 4T wars. Bush thought he could win his first war by bombing alone, and then started another unnecessary war that divided the country. 3T politics was enshrined again under Bush, and deregulated businessmen and real estate salesmen speculated like there was no tomorrow, just like the speculators of the 1920s. Just like in the 1920s, sex became the primary content of pop culture. Innocence continued, and so did the culture wars, the very name and identity of the 3T, which dominated the 2004 election in which conservatives rallied to victory by denouncing Monica Lewinsky and Jane Fonda and opposing abortion and gay marriage. Nothing in the American way of life changed at all after 9-11. A few people imprisoned by the Patriot Act and some spying on phone calls do not a change of life make. The war on terror was just the MIC behaving as usual during this saeculum. 9-11 was a war and an attack on America that I predicted, and I predicted that 2008 would see an economic crash that would usher in the 4T. And so it was, just as I predicted. No Generation Z member exists that was born before 2003.
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(08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
Civics are activists, as they were in the 1930s. The March for our Lives activists were millennials and saw themselves as such at the time. The young climate activists are cuspers like Greta. But the artist generations are not so activist, at least not until midlife. They are "silent" and well-behaved, as they are described today.
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(01-14-2020, 12:21 AM)Ghost Wrote: I personally see it more as a gradient, but it really only applies to the US only. The one thing I could probably say is that 1993 is the last utterly Millennial birthyear and 2000 is the first utterly Homelander birthyear...
Up to point where you laid down the time markers, we're in total agreement. I've never seen the transition between generations and turnings as some magic switch, That doesn't make any sense at all -- even given the arguments offered by S&H. FWIW, my three 2004-born grandchildren are decidedly Artists, but a little cuspy too. That's not a good way to set markers, of course, but I have met many of their friends, and they seem to be similar.
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(08-12-2019, 04:37 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: JFK's assassination is of less historical note than MLK's assassination in 1968. Big whoop. Y2K was of even less significance.
I'll have to agree with this. JFK's assassination was a traumatic event, but things didn't move to a different level. By '68, things were decidedly different.
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01-14-2020, 06:32 PM
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(01-14-2020, 02:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
Civics are activists, as they were in the 1930s. The March for our Lives activists were millennials and saw themselves as such at the time. The young climate activists are cuspers like Greta. But the artist generations are not so activist, at least not until midlife. They are "silent" and well-behaved, as they are described today.
I think that "activists" make sense as a subgeneration, ranging from 2000-2003 (or late 1999-mid 2003 if you go by graduating years), because the Parkland activists (David Hogg, Kyle Kashuv, etc), Greta Thunberg, Nick Sandmann, and CJ Pearson were all born during that four-year timeframe.
I think that adding 1999/late 1998-mid 1999 is kind of a stretch for the "activist" label because while they certainly can't remember 9/11, they weren't at school for the Parkland shooting (I am going to assume that Parkland is probably why Anthony 58 called his definition of the Activist generation "Activists").
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(01-14-2020, 06:32 PM)Ghost Wrote: (01-14-2020, 02:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
Civics are activists, as they were in the 1930s. The March for our Lives activists were millennials and saw themselves as such at the time. The young climate activists are cuspers like Greta. But the artist generations are not so activist, at least not until midlife. They are "silent" and well-behaved, as they are described today.
I think that "activists" make sense as a subgeneration, ranging from 2000-2003 (or late 1999-mid 2003 if you go by graduating years), because the Parkland activists (David Hogg, Kyle Kashuv, etc), Greta Thunberg, Nick Sandmann, and CJ Pearson were all born during that four-year timeframe.
I think that adding 1999/late 1998-mid 1999 is kind of a stretch for the "activist" label because while they certainly can't remember 9/11, they weren't at school for the Parkland shooting (I am going to assume that Parkland is probably why Anthony 58 called his definition of the Activist generation "Activists").
I don't disagree with calling early 2000s cohorts, and perhaps 1999-98 cohorts too, as a subgeneration called activists. In my 1997 book I called them "flame throwers" and said they would be effective reformers and propagandists. I see them as the last subgeneration of millennials and I called them Generation Y-c. They appear to me as later incarnations, so to speak, of the best and brightest that surrounded JFK.
http://philosopherswheel.com/generations.htm
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(01-14-2020, 06:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (01-14-2020, 06:32 PM)Ghost Wrote: (01-14-2020, 02:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
Civics are activists, as they were in the 1930s. The March for our Lives activists were millennials and saw themselves as such at the time. The young climate activists are cuspers like Greta. But the artist generations are not so activist, at least not until midlife. They are "silent" and well-behaved, as they are described today.
I think that "activists" make sense as a subgeneration, ranging from 2000-2003 (or late 1999-mid 2003 if you go by graduating years), because the Parkland activists (David Hogg, Kyle Kashuv, etc), Greta Thunberg, Nick Sandmann, and CJ Pearson were all born during that four-year timeframe.
I think that adding 1999/late 1998-mid 1999 is kind of a stretch for the "activist" label because while they certainly can't remember 9/11, they weren't at school for the Parkland shooting (I am going to assume that Parkland is probably why Anthony 58 called his definition of the Activist generation "Activists").
I don't disagree with calling early 2000s cohorts, and perhaps 1999-98 cohorts too, as a subgeneration called activists. In my 1997 book I called them "flame throwers" and said they would be effective reformers and propagandists. I see them as the last subgeneration of millennials and I called them Generation Y-c. They appear to me as later incarnations, so to speak, of the best and brightest that surrounded JFK.
http://philosopherswheel.com/generations.htm
I probably wouldn't add 1998 and even 1999 to the list because not only were those born in 1998 and 1999 out of high school when the Parkland shooting happened, but they were also already college upperclassmen when the September 2019 climate strikes took place. I also have a feeling that most of those who participated in the September 2019 climate strikes were the same age as those who were in high school for the Parkland shooting, or in other words those born from 2000 to 2003.
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(01-14-2020, 06:50 PM)Ghost Wrote: (01-14-2020, 06:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (01-14-2020, 06:32 PM)Ghost Wrote: (01-14-2020, 02:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (08-13-2019, 07:02 AM)Anthony Wrote: I have made a few changes since the days of http://www.babybusters.org, which will be undergoing major changes soon. While pretty much willing to conform to S&H's model up through the Lost, after that the pattern changes, and the generations become shorter:
Interbellum Generation: Born 1901-1910 (core grandparents of the Baby Busters)
World War II Generation: Born 1911-1926 (by the time the 1927 cohorts got out of basic training, WW2 was already over)
Silent Generation: Born 1927-1942 (core parents of the Baby Busters)
Baby Boomers: Born 1943-1957 (no memory of WW2)
Baby Busters: Born 1958-1968 (Birth rate declined 11 years in a row; rejected Boomer views on political and social issues; entire childhood shaped by Cold War)
Core Xers: Born 1969-1981
Millennials: Born 1982-1998
Activists: Born 1999-2019? (no memory of 9/11)
Civics are activists, as they were in the 1930s. The March for our Lives activists were millennials and saw themselves as such at the time. The young climate activists are cuspers like Greta. But the artist generations are not so activist, at least not until midlife. They are "silent" and well-behaved, as they are described today.
I think that "activists" make sense as a subgeneration, ranging from 2000-2003 (or late 1999-mid 2003 if you go by graduating years), because the Parkland activists (David Hogg, Kyle Kashuv, etc), Greta Thunberg, Nick Sandmann, and CJ Pearson were all born during that four-year timeframe.
I think that adding 1999/late 1998-mid 1999 is kind of a stretch for the "activist" label because while they certainly can't remember 9/11, they weren't at school for the Parkland shooting (I am going to assume that Parkland is probably why Anthony 58 called his definition of the Activist generation "Activists").
I don't disagree with calling early 2000s cohorts, and perhaps 1999-98 cohorts too, as a subgeneration called activists. In my 1997 book I called them "flame throwers" and said they would be effective reformers and propagandists. I see them as the last subgeneration of millennials and I called them Generation Y-c. They appear to me as later incarnations, so to speak, of the best and brightest that surrounded JFK.
http://philosopherswheel.com/generations.htm
I probably wouldn't add 1998 and even 1999 to the list because not only were those born in 1998 and 1999 out of high school when the Parkland shooting happened, but they were also already college upperclassmen when the September 2019 climate strikes took place. I also have a feeling that most of those who participated in the September 2019 climate strikes were the same age as those who were in high school for the Parkland shooting, or in other words those born from 2000 to 2003.
Yes, I saw that. I think some of the Parkland activists were born in 1999, though. In my book I even extended them back to 1996, but those were less typical than those born after 1998. But accounts may differ on exact dates.
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