Trump Trainwreck - Ongoing diary of betrayal and evil

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-20-2016, 03:11 PM)Mikebert Wrote:

(12-19-2016, 09:10 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: When one side uses violence and the other doesn't, as is largely the case here, you either have to overlook the violence, you have to lie about who is using it, or you have to drop the false equivalency and point out which side is doing it.

So if you're not advocating overlooking it, and you're discouraging pointing out who is doing it, sounds like you want people to lie about who is using it?  I don't think that's a healthy approach.

This is supposedly a 4T, a social moment, that in the past had a lot of violence.  I see little violence now.  How many have been killed by social unrest this year?  One or two mass murderers in a spree shooting does not constitute social unrest--that is simply crime (and is represented in murder statistics which are way down from 3T levels). The word social implies the involvement of a group. Something like a riot, a strike or demonstration, lynching, etc.

What violence are you talking about?  How many dead? If there no dead from the violence it doesn't even count since any historical comparison will be to lethal violence.  I see almost NO deaths from social unrest this year. compared to a great may in previous years.  So what are you talking about?

For the most part I'm with you Mike, but you might want to calibrate a bit.  How many died in the Boston Massacre?  Harper's Ferry?  It doesn't take all that much of a demonstration to make it clear that extreme partisans are ready to kill and be killed.

While the media and police are spinning things in the direction of crime committed by lone nuts, it is hard to judge the extent the loan nuts consider themselves to be martyrs for a just cause.  The Black and Blue Lives Matter conflict is flirting with a low level spiral of violence.  Home grown Muslim violence is not unheard of.  There is a general unrest with the latino situation.

But nothing is organized.  To my knowledge, there are no cell structures of conspirators.  There is also little in the media -- official or net crazies -- that is claiming that the proper response to a death on one side is two deaths on the other side.  After both the OKC bombings and September 11th, the establishment politicians and media pushed hard a message that violence is not the solution to domestic problems.  That push and that message still dominates the notion that non-violent means are doomed to fail, that the problems are serious enough to expend lives, that it is time to shift to violent methods.

Thus, I'm of the opinion that the spirals of violence are still on a gentle simmer.  I'd agree with your request for more specifics.

I've also got a vague feeling that the establishment is not apt to significantly shift until the possibility of a spiral of violence going critical is real.