01-28-2017, 12:25 PM
(01-28-2017, 12:09 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: > Russia, Turkey - so much.
(01-28-2017, 12:17 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: > Russia, and Turkey both had crises that started in 1905ish and
> ended in the early to mid 1920s. Turkey didn't even participate
> in WWII. Russia did, and yet its Khrushchev Thaw, Brezhnevite Era
> of Stagnation, and its complete geopolitical collapse in the 1980s
> and 90s suggest a full saeculum from the 1920s to 2000. Its
> present environment has been characteried by rising birthrates
> (admittedly from an apocalypticly low level during the 90s), a
> widespread reaction to the ills of the 1990s, unified and broadly
> popular leadership, and a rise in religious sentiments. Unless
> you're still postulating a 5th turning I don't see how you can
> view Putin's Russia as anything other than a 1T coming back from a
> disastrous crisis.
I really have no desire at all to rehash these arguments all over
again in detail for the 235th time. 1990s was not a crisis for Russia
- there was no Regeneracy and no Climax. And yes, Turkey and Russia
are in a Fifth Turning, along with Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Morocco.
