02-10-2017, 10:59 AM
(02-09-2017, 02:17 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: > No worries. The thing is, Germany is a majority Protestant
> country, even with Austria included. They were only about a third
> of the population in the 1930s, [1]and were suspected of dual
> loyalties by the Nazi party, which persecuted the Church itself.
> Political Catholicism had been been an issue in Germany from the
> [2]kulturkampf in the 19th century to the [3]Zentrum party into
> the 20th. Catholic nobleman like [4]Claus Staffenberg were
> prominent in the right-wing opposition to Hitler (Staffenberg in
> particular cited his Catholicism in his growing dislike of the
> Nazis), and it was the staunchly Catholic [5]Konrad Adenauer who
> was there to pick up the reins after the Nazi regime was
> overthrown. Nor were the more culturally Catholic Fascist regimes
> in Spain and Italy more anti-Semitic than the Nazis, indeed, they
> were far less.
> This is not to say that the Church up until Vatican II (and really
> a little since then) wasn't a deeply conservative organization,
> long suspicious of democracy and comfortable cozying up to
> reactionary regimes. I just don't think that they were the
> driving force behind the Nazi's particular obsession with the
> Jews.
> *I've used Wiki articles because they are convenient for
> consolidating information (as an encyclopedia should), I can use
> other sources if you like.
> 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C...zi_Germany
> 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf
> 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Party_(Germany)
> 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Stauffenberg
> 5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer
I realize that your last sentence is meant to be sarcastic, but I
actually do appreciate links to further information, and I save the
links when I save the posting.
In my own articles and postings, I try to provide links to pages
containing further information. My objective in providing links is
not to provide footnotes in the legal sense to make a legal case for
something, but rather to help those who want more information on a
subject. So I try to link to pages that provide the most useful,
complete and interesting analyses, even if some of that information
sometimes partially conflicts with something I've written, as long as
I think the reader will find the information valuable. I also assume
that anyone who reads my World View articles is intelligent enough to
see through any bias in the linked articles, as long as the article
provides complete information along with the analysis.
I never link to Wikipedia articles for many reasons. First, anyone
can easily find a wikipedia article on their own if that's what they
want. Second the wikipedia articles are written by a committee, and
heavily biased by the ideology of the wikipedia committee. Third,
wikipedia articles use a "least common denominator" approach and are
bland recitations of facts -- which serve a purpose, but not the
purpose I'm interested in. If I personally read a wikipedia article,
it's usually just to get a bare timeline of events, or to get links to
other, more useful articles.
You made a vile accusation that I always google a subject and just
provide the first link that appears. That's a despicable claim.
Actually, the first link is almost always to the wikipedia article, so
I choose the second link.
All kidding aside, I usually look at several of the top pages listed,
sometimes as many as 10-20 of them, and select one or two that provide
the most useful, complete and interesting information and analyses.
The first few links are usually the best, since the google algorithm
selects the most popular to be first ones, and in my experience the
best links are usually the most popular, especially among academic or
historic analyses.
If you say that in a posting years ago I once provided a link to a
page on a "white supremacist" web site, then I believe you, though I
was unaware of it at the time. I probably didn't even bother to check
anything on the web site other than the page I was linking to. It's
also surprising to me, since I would wonder how such an offensive web
site could be popular enough to make it to the top of the google
listings.
Anyway, thank you for your analysis of Germany's Christian
denominations in the 1930s. It was very helpful.
