07-28-2017, 06:48 PM
(07-28-2017, 10:46 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(07-27-2017, 04:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The first two polls after the self-pardon talk -- California and Nevada, together 61 electoral votes.
Former President (and Governor of California about fifty years ago) Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave.
Quote:PPIC - California:
Approve 25%
Disapprove 71%
Only 68% of California Republicans and 33% of Independents approve of Trump.
Source
Donald Trump must remind many Californians of their landlords, arguably the least-beloved of entrepreneurs to middle-class people. But this may be the first statewide poll in the wake of the 'self-pardon' talk. If this is not a fluke, then any new polls of such states as Connecticut, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington could be going into the 'deep red' category.
This "71" is so far the highest disapproval that I have seen of the President in any state, tying the Gallup composite from January to July in Vermont. I'm not sure that a current poll of Vermont would be any better for the President Trump. But Vermont gets polled little... three electoral votes and dull politics is less interesting than 55 electoral votes and dull politics.
neighboring Nevada (PPP):
Quote:PPP - Nevada:
42% Approve
53% Disapprove
Source
Heller's numbers are awful: 29/56
For one of the usual battleground states, Nevada gets polled rather little. Remember: this poll is newer than a reasonable estimate of the Gallup composite that averages (as I understand) from April. Most polls (barring favorability polls, polls by special interests, internal polls, and polls with the suspect "electric green fried potatoes" wording will supplant the Gallup composites which are older and of declining relevance. I am no longer using the excuse 'Beggars can't be choosers' to accept just about any poll. The Nevada poll is not a category-changer. It is still consistent with Trump losing about 3% support since April, which is still within the range of error.
Nevada, although extremely urban, is a low-income state with lower-than-average educational achievement, so it should be more amenable to President Trump than such states as Colorado and Virginia. But Trump is doing badly in Nevada.
Blue, positive and 40-43% 20% saturation
............................ 44-47% 40%
............................ 48-50% 50%
............................ 51-55% 70%
............................ 56%+ 90%
Red, negative and 48-50% 20% (raw approval or favorability)
.......................... 44-47% 30%
.......................... 40-43% 50%
.......................... 35-39% 70%
.......................under 35% 90%
White - tie.
Now for the theme of disapproval as shown in the Gallup data:
navy under 40
blue 40-43
light blue 44-47
white 48 or 49
pink 50-54
red 55-59
maroon 60 or higher
What Trump reminds us of is a bad combination of the type of obnoxious grandiose "Noo Yawkah" who sometimes relos here solely for the weather, but is a real odd out culturally, and, a caudillo of the type stereotypically found South of the border.
See, Reagan, on the other hand, even though a (Midwestern) transplant himself, became very comfortable with the Western US ways. In our hinterlands and outright outlands, we have an ethos that is simultaneously conservative and mindful of personal freedom. It is an extremely live and let live ethos, not unlike the 1960s hippies. Any Right wing politician seeking to make headway out here needs to mind this. Trump clearly has not, especially of late.
Speaking of odd outs, WTF with the northern intermountain states. But that I ascribe to the White Power types up there. They have become Kremlin bootlickers due to their distorted belief that Russia is their ally vis a vis White Power. They have too much Pat Buchanan on the brain.
With the composite data from Connecticut, I can finally say what I have assumed for a while: the more that people get to know Donald Trump, the less they like him. The "59" in Connecticut, the "58" in New Jersey, and the "62" in New York suggest that where he is best known he is least liked. The "71" for Vermont suggest that Donald Trump is the sort of person who goes on a "fall color" tour from New York and makes a loud, obnoxious fool of himself. Vermonters enjoy having out-of-state tourists stopping in their restaurants and stores that might shutter without such trade -- but someone like Trump makes staff miserable.
I have suggested that to Californians, Trump often suggests a landlord.
Were he at all effective as President, then he would have positive approvals in states that he barely lost (New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, Nevada, and arguably Colorado and Virginia... but he is gaining nothing there.
The execrable ratings in Michigan and Pennsylvania suggest promises made and promises broken.
I'd guess that disapproval of President Trump is over 80% in the District of Columbia. Assuming that the Congressional districts of Maine and Nebraska go as their states go at-large, I can count electoral votes by disapproval rating based either upon the Gallup composite or a poll from May or later...
Listing the electoral votes available at levels of disapproval for the President from the lowest levels to the highest
EVB DSR CHG EVA states
000 36 11 011 ND WV WY
006 39 16 027 AL OK
022 41 03 030 MT
030 42 21 051 ID KS TN
051 43 23 075 KY LA NE SD
075 44 09 084 SC
084 46 16 100 MO MS
100 47 06 106 AR
106 48 32 138 AK IN OH
138 50 37 175 GA NC UT
175 51 77 252 FL TX WI
252 52 17 269 AZ IA
269 53 06 275 NV
275 55 08 283 ME RI
270 56 15 298 DE NM OR
295 57 31 329 CO MN VA
317 58 34 363 IL NJ
347 59 24 387 CO HI WA
383 60 04 391 NH
387 61 16 407 MI
403 62 49 456 NY PA
456 64 10 466 MD
466 66 11 477 MA
477 71 58 535 CA VT
535 80 03 538 DC
EVB -- electoral votes BEFORE winning the state(s)
DIS -- disapproval rating
CHG -- change in the number of electoral votes
EVA -- electoral votes AFTER winning states in this category
'80' is my guess for the District of Columbia.
This is how the states 'fall' if I use disapproval ratings for the President to predict which states switch from an unnamed opponent to Donald Trump. He must win states in which his disapproval rating is 43% just to avoid a loss like those of Hoover in 1932 or Carter in 1980. For him to lose that badly he would have to lose even more credibility.
The elder Bush got only 168 electoral votes in 1992. He wasn't a really-awful President; he just couldn't convince people that he had any idea of what to do in a second term. To avoid losing that badly, President Trump would have to win some states in which 50% of the people disapprove of his performance. In a close election, Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter with 30 electoral votes short of a win. He would need to win states in which his disapproval is now at 51%.
By winning every state in which his disapproval rating is 52% he would get a tie in the Electoral College. House delegations would then decide who wins unless the President can pick off the Second Congressional District of Maine.
To win roughly as Dubya did in 2004 (284 electoral votes) he would have to win states in which his disapproval rating is at 55%.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.