07-04-2018, 02:40 PM
(07-04-2018, 01:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(07-04-2018, 12:43 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US.
The way not to have the US in the first stages of the war involves not having the US take the first military action against a nuclear power like North Korea.
Except that John Wants us to retain the interventionist policy but at the same time pursue an appeasement/delaying strategy. John's position is that an Attack bringing the US into war must come and must occur at or near the beginning of the war with the appeasement meaning that "at least we delayed the enemy attack originally planned for (lets say) 2015 until (lets say) 2020 at least we had five extra years of peace to enjoy" such is the policy of a weak country like Poland or Belgium, not that of a great power. Trumps meeting with Kim Changed Nothing substantially, North Korea is still developing it's nuclear arsenal, and US troops and Fleets are still opposite North Korea.
Johns position is that "American Values" means that Americans must be all good and reject all evil everywhere and rely only on the good, which means any policy other than the traditional one is unacceptable to him because such shifts would compromise the ideal of America as the beacon of morality. Hence Both the option of Nuking North Korea OR signing a peace treaty that puts the US out of the Korean peninsula are both unacceptable to him. John Assumes that boomer ideologues will force their preferences down everyone throats by delaying any actual decision until after a war had already started at which point the citizens would have no choice but to submit to the boomers preferences in order to prevent the country being conquered. Hence a scenario in which the US disarms and warehouses most of its nukes in a few select facilities and then later there is a sneak attack by either Russia, China or any other adversary that includes taking out both our standing forces and the warehouses, such a scenario does not trouble John because it would mean that the Enemy is evil for striking and the strike eliminates the US arsenal which eliminated any Chance of American leaders embracing evil, because John fundamentally distrusts anyone born after the late 1950s, he much prefers that those generations not have that option. Hence his support for nuclear disarmament and his endorsement of boomers refusing to retire and opposition to term limits, thats why he also endorses expanding and hardening the Nuclear Boomer fleet but not the Nuclear Missile arsenal. The Very thought of an unshackled gen-xer holding the "nuclear football" terrifies John. A "pearl harbor" Scenario that occurs while the boomers are still in charge thus an ideological "best case" scenario for JohnX. All of the more positive outcomes generally involve the boomers handing over power to young people for the good of the country, or at the very least an unorthodox boomer faction coming to power.
Make No mistake, JohnX is a ideologue who associates globalism with American values, his current support for Trump does not fool me since back when we all were discussing these issues back in 2015 on the old forum, John was gleeful in his support for Hillary and her establishment foreign policy.
