Who Can Beat Trump?

[Kinser79]

(08-20-2018, 01:32 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-19-2018, 12:29 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I think Kinser underestimates how much his father has enabled the see saw.  I remain unimpressed by the democrats, however, let alone the Republican Establishment.

I agree completely.  Of the two major parties, we have one out of touch and the other out of its mind.   I looked at the list and didn't find many Democrats worth supporting.  That said, Trump is an unmitigated travesty, so I'll either vote happily or reluctantly, but I will vote for the Dems for the next few cycles at a minimum.

It's still hard to see where this leads in the immediate future.  Yes, the New Democrats should emerge in another 10-15 years, but that's then and this is now.  In the meantime, an extreme RW court, coupled with a potentially immovable Senate and the possibility of a two-term Trump makes me noticeably sick to my stomach.

FIW Mr. Horn you were likely to vote for the Democrats anyway.  From what I can tell you're in line with most Boomers who have yet to realize that their particular paradigm is over and has been over for a long time now.  So far the only thing that Daddy hasn't delivered on is the Wall(s) but I blame the Congress Critters (and Paul "Eddie Munster" Ryan in particular) for that.

If there is a New Democrats to emerge, they will have to be substantially different from the offerings of that party now, and they will likely have to reject the positions of even the least offensive (IE the Blue Dogs) of their party currently.  Last time the GOP had to accept the New Deal.  This time the Democrats will have to accept Nationalist Populism, the Wall, Tariffs and America First.

Remember also Bob suffers from the condition of subscribing to Whig History.  Which is why his presence on a forum discussing cyclical generational driven history is somewhat puzzling. I would consider subscribing to even the barest bones of S&H theory to require the rejection of the notion of liner 'progress'.   I have long maintained that history only has the appearance of 'progressive movement' (not to be confused with the Progressive Movement--which is just an American branding of Neo-Marxist socialism).  In short since history is written by the victors, the victors always proclaim themselves to be the bearers of progress.

Also if Trump is a 'travesty' with 5% GDP growth, and 3% unemployment I'd like some more of that. I want to see GDP growth twice that, and unemployment half that. That's some travesties I can believe in--to paraphrase someone else's campaign slogan.