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Who Can Beat Trump?
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(08-21-2018, 10:52 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The foundations of capitalism with either no welfare state or a very welfare state one crumble when the nexus between work and income disappears. The dream of the two Master Classes (owners and executives) of America is to get First World effort out of people for Third World pay. That of course means the destruction of the welfare state and of the only institutions (unions) that can protect  workers from exploitation and abuse.  Productivity will collapse or workers will turn against their masters.

"Mass removal of undesirable human beings" sounds much like genocide, whether through direct killings or through starvation. Of course if it is simply removing people from the workforce because they are disabled, then millions will have to find ways in which to use their time. I have done that when unemployed several times.

There are hundreds of books and articles about the end of work, when the machines will not only do everything cheaper and better, but will be able to replicate themselves and become immortal, in a sense. Let's agree that we can't know the details, but the outline is clear. At present rates of technological advancement, the end game should fall in the next 3T/4T time frame, with the next 2T seeing where we'll be heading before we get there. At that point, what to do with the people is the only remaining question, and who answers will determine how brutal or beneficial the answer will be.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 07-09-2018, 03:10 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-19-2018, 08:39 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-19-2018, 09:39 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-19-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-19-2018, 08:27 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Galen - 08-19-2018, 10:01 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-20-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-20-2018, 01:32 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-21-2018, 03:40 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-21-2018, 05:33 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-21-2018, 08:23 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-21-2018, 02:45 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-22-2018, 10:46 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-21-2018, 09:55 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-21-2018, 10:52 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-21-2018, 12:57 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-21-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-21-2018, 09:36 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-19-2018, 07:35 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 08-19-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-20-2018, 02:10 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 08-21-2018, 12:15 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 08-21-2018, 05:34 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-21-2018, 10:13 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Galen - 08-22-2018, 03:35 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-22-2018, 04:40 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-22-2018, 06:19 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 08-22-2018, 04:33 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-22-2018, 05:08 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-22-2018, 05:21 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2018, 06:24 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-22-2018, 07:32 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-22-2018, 08:22 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-22-2018, 04:53 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-23-2018, 11:31 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-24-2018, 11:42 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 08-24-2018, 02:57 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2018, 07:33 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-24-2018, 08:06 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2018, 12:54 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2018, 07:20 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2018, 11:22 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-23-2018, 12:00 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-23-2018, 12:06 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 08-23-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-23-2018, 03:00 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2018, 11:17 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 08-26-2018, 06:35 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bad Dog - 08-25-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2018, 01:05 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 08-27-2018, 10:49 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 09-16-2018, 07:37 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 09-16-2018, 11:03 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 09-18-2018, 10:17 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-17-2018, 03:33 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 09-15-2018, 04:26 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 09-15-2018, 09:31 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-17-2018, 03:42 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 09-13-2018, 07:59 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 09-07-2018, 04:29 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-18-2018, 05:40 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Bob Butler 54 - 09-18-2018, 07:52 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by pbrower2a - 09-19-2018, 08:58 AM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 09-19-2018, 03:39 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-18-2018, 11:44 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 09-19-2018, 03:52 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-19-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 09-19-2018, 06:57 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-19-2018, 07:19 PM
RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Classic-Xer - 09-20-2018, 01:07 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Eric the Green - 09-20-2018, 12:13 PM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by Galen - 09-26-2018, 02:55 AM
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RE: Who Can Beat Trump? - by David Horn - 09-26-2018, 12:18 PM
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