Who Can Beat Trump?

[Eric the Green]

(09-18-2018, 06:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 05:40 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 03:47 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 03:15 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(09-17-2018, 11:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The scores in my horoscope aspect system are based on which presidential candidates have appealed to Americans up until now. Very idealistic types have not fared very well, and therefore some of the aspects which those types tend to have in their chart have neutral or negative scoring. What if some candidates like Beto can actually shift the preferences of Americans, and this is a long-term sea change? Then the scoring for those aspects might shift too. That would take generations, and meanwhile the scores might often be wrong.

I wouldn't bet on this happening, even if Beto wins over Cruz. If he runs for president, I would expect him to lose. But, I could be wrong!

http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentialelections.html

Actually, the shift should be a result of the 4T.  Then, and only then, can tradition be cast aside because tradition is the problem.  We don't have a wide path to a successful 4T, because the forces arrayed against it are still very strong, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.  FDR lead the country after decades of GOP business conservatives and rightwing Democrats like Woodrow Wilson ran the country for the plutocrats, yet he succeeded anyway.

In the above paragraph, I might use regeneracy instead of 4T.  I might use culture instead of tradition.  I would say the 100 Days and Pearl Harbor were the two key triggers of that double 4T.  FDR in many respects acted after the regeneracies, though he did much to get the country ready before Pearl Harbor.

In modern times it might be possible to shift the middle of the country enough away from the unraveling memes towards the blue.  It might be possible to form a progressive juggernaut.  There might come something to throw tradition aside, some form of catalyst or trigger.  Trump is just the guy to do it, or the middle of the country could reject Trump while still holding firm to the unraveling memes.  I am nervous that this might happen, that they blame Trump on Trump and try to elect someone like enough to Palin or Trump to draw their attention, but sane.  They might recognize their Establishment as pawns of the rich, and Trump as incompetent, yet still chase the dream of making the old values work.

But at any rate, it will happen eventually.  The problems are real enough and must eventually be solved.  I'm not sure it will happen any time soon.

What it means, is just that it won't be easy. The regressive memes (which dominated the unravelling) are still strong, and it will be scary. The two sides are lined up for a fight, which is what this 4T is about. The odds as I see it favor success for the blue. That is my cosmic prediction, but many demographers see the same thing. Moderate progressive is the majority; the system is stacked by the regressives to keep them in power. A 4T is when walls get busted. FDR and his forces busted them last time; it will happen again. I agree with Cameron Kasky. I look ahead 10 years and I see light.

By the way, looking again at Beto's score, his rise is a scary prospect, because there's no way he could EVER win the presidency. The Democrats must choose a potential winner, or things will get very tough for the blue team. The current leaders for the nomination cannot win the general election. Many observers agree. I hope Beto wins the Senate race, but I can't even predict that now. The main thing I see is that, as he gets older, he would exhaust himself. He would push too hard and lose his caution. If he wins, he must stay in the Senate and not run for president.

Moderate progressive may well be the new majority within the Democratic party, a few blue states and most blue/green  districts. You keep thinking & speaking as if  we live in a democracy when we actually live in a republic. Like I said, I could live without California. I assume that Californians would be given a choice of whether to stay American and remain with America or identify as a Californian and accept whatever system that a group of blues decide is best for all people who remain in California. I don't care if California goes back to building roads like our ancestors did back in good old days.

Reds have only won the popular vote for president once in the last 7 elections. Those are the elections in which the most people vote. That means that the moderate progressives are the majority in the country, not just the Democratic Party. So why did you say that?

The majority should decide things. The system has frustrated the will of the people for decades, not because the USA is a republic, but because it was designed to favor slave-holding states, which are the red states today along with the other more-rural states. So it still favors the slave-holding states today, and it enslaves us all.

The outdated electoral college favors those states, and so does the structure of the Senate. That is not a republic; it is a federal system designed at a time when it had to be designed that way to keep the slave states in the union. We also have an election system dominated by huge secret financial contributions by the wealthy. This was decided by the presidents chosen through the electoral college (and in Bush's case, by the Supreme Court), who determined the make-up of the Supreme Court that upholds this system. We also have a gerrymandered legislative election system thanks to the lack of civic engagement by young Obama supporters on Nov.2, 2010, and Republicans have instituted requirements that make it harder for poorer and non-white people to vote. None of that has anything to do with being a republic, which just means we vote for representatives.

People in red states think they are more free, but I don't think they are. They have more free enterprise, which only puts them at the mercy of the bosses. In blue states, not only in CA but in the others as well, the people benefit from a more equal society. Even Texas could turn blue in the next 10 or 20 years. Reds have nothing to fear from more regulation and taxes, since blues put these mostly upon the corporate CEOs that keep the people shackled. But in red states, the people are fooled that taxes, regulations and social programs are immoral supports for dependent people getting handouts. As work is made obsolete, this ideology that so dominates Classic Xer thinking and most Republican thinking whether led by Trump, Bush, Reagan or whoever, will become hopelessly outdated. Wealth redistribution from now on just means that the people deserve the benefits from the production by machines, not just a few wealthy investors and CEOs who own the machines.

I suspect demographics will give the majority an increasing advantage, soon enough I hope to overturn this minority-rule system. That will be the challenge of the next 10 years as the 4th turning takes its course. It may require packing the Court, since Trump is putting up a wall to progress there which is as impressive as the wall he hopes to build to keep Mexicans out.