11-22-2018, 11:38 AM
The one way that the 58-year hypothesis is firmly related to
the saeculum is that the fourth turning always begins exactly
58 years after the climax of the preceding crisis war.
Beyond that, there's no real reason why there has to be a
relationship. The Spanish Flu pandemic was an act of nature
that occurred in 1918, resulting in the Swine Flu panic
of 1976. Those events stand on their own.
Another possible example is the Salem Witch Trials. Here's
something that I first posted in 2007:
Roger Williams and the Salem Witch Trials
In my previous posting, I wrote the following:
It turns out that there was a really major event in Salem in 1634:
The Pastor, Roger Williams, was banished from Salem for making
controversial remarks about the Church.
What happened isn't the stuff of major catastrophes, however. On the
other hand, maybe what looks like a simple personnel change today was
much more traumatic centuries ago.
Here's the summary:
I also found some juicy stuff in a book: A Popular History of the
United States: From the First Discovery of the the western hemisphere
by the northmen, to the end of the first century of the union of the
states, By William Cullen Bryant, Sydney Howard Gay, Published 1876,
Sampson Low, United States.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bWEFAAA...1-PA542,M1
There's no mention here of witchcraft, but as an incidental matter,
England outlawed witchcraft in 1641.
Eleven year old Abigail Williams was one of the girls who exhibited
the strange behavior leading to the Salem Witch Trials. I wondered
if she was related to Roger Williams, and found this:
So all I have is a collection of jigsaw puzzle pieces that don't yet
quite fit together into a picture. But, at the very least, it is
very interesting that the Salem Witch Trials occurred 58 years after
a major event in the history of Salem.
the saeculum is that the fourth turning always begins exactly
58 years after the climax of the preceding crisis war.
Beyond that, there's no real reason why there has to be a
relationship. The Spanish Flu pandemic was an act of nature
that occurred in 1918, resulting in the Swine Flu panic
of 1976. Those events stand on their own.
Another possible example is the Salem Witch Trials. Here's
something that I first posted in 2007:
Roger Williams and the Salem Witch Trials
In my previous posting, I wrote the following:
Quote:Salem Witch Trials of 1692. Four teenage girls appeared to
have epileptic fits, and accused several neighbors of witchcraft.
Panic ensued, and by the time it was all over, dozens of people had
been jailed and 20 had died.
This has all the earmarks of a false panic. Does anyone know of
anything special that happened in New England in 1634?
It turns out that there was a really major event in Salem in 1634:
The Pastor, Roger Williams, was banished from Salem for making
controversial remarks about the Church.
What happened isn't the stuff of major catastrophes, however. On the
other hand, maybe what looks like a simple personnel change today was
much more traumatic centuries ago.
Here's the summary:
Wikipedia Wrote:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Willi...ologian%29
> Roger Williams (December 21, 1603–April 1, 1683) was an English
> theologian, a notable proponent of the separation of Church and
> State, an advocate for fair dealings with Native Americans,
> founder of the city of Providence, Rhode Island and co-founder of
> the colony of Rhode Island. He is the originator of either the
> first or second Baptist church established in America. ...
> In the summer of 1633, Williams arrived in Salem and became
> unofficial assistant to Pastor Skelton. In August, 1634, (Skelton
> having died), he became acting pastor and entered almost
> immediately into controversies with the Massachusetts authorities
> that in a few months resulted in his exile by law from Salem after
> being brought before the Salem Court for spreading "diverse, new,
> and dangerous opinions" that questioned the Church. The law
> exiling Williams was not repealed until 1936 when Bill 488 was
> passed by the Massachusetts House.
> He was formally set apart as pastor of the church about May,
> 1635, against the earnest protests of the Massachusetts
> authorities. An outline of the issues raised by Williams and
> uncompromisingly pressed includes the following:
> 1. He regarded the Church of England as apostate, and any kind of
> fellowship with it as grievous sin. He accordingly renounced
> communion not only with this church but with all who would not
> join with him in repudiating it.
> 2. He denounced the charter of the Massachusetts Company because
> it falsely represented the king of England as a Christian, and
> assumed that he had the right to give to his own subjects the land
> of the native Indians. He disapproved of "the unchristian oaths
> swallowed down" by the colonists "at their coming forth from Old
> England, especially in the superstitious Laud's time and
> domineering." He drew up a letter addressed to the King expressing
> his dissatisfaction with the charter and sought to secure for it
> the endorsement of prominent colonists. In this letter he is said
> to have charged King James I with blasphemy for calling Europe
> "Christendom" and to have applied to the reigning king some of
> the most opprobrious epithets in the Apocalypse.
> 3. Equally disquieting was Williams' opposition to the "citizens'
> oath," which magistrates sought to force upon the colonists in
> order to be assured of their loyalty. Williams maintained that it
> was Christ's sole prerogative to have his office established by
> oath, and that unregenerate men ought not in any case to be
> invited to perform any religious act. In opposing the oath
> Williams gained so much popular support that the measure had to be
> abandoned.
> 4. In a dispute between the Massachusetts Bay court and the Salem
> colony regarding the possession of a piece of land (Marblehead)
> claimed by the latter, the court offered to accede to the claims
> of Salem on condition that the Salem church make amends for its
> insolent conduct in installing Williams as pastor in defiance of
> the court and ministers. This demand involved the removal of the
> pastor. Williams regarded this proposal as an outrageous attempt
> at bribery and had the Salem church send to the other
> Massachusetts churches a denunciation of the proceeding and demand
> that the churches exclude the magistrates from membership. This
> act was sharply resented by magistrates and churches, and such
> pressure was brought to bear upon the Salem church as led a
> majority to consent to the removal of their pastor. He never
> entered the chapel again, but held religious services in his own
> house with his faithful adherents.
I also found some juicy stuff in a book: A Popular History of the
United States: From the First Discovery of the the western hemisphere
by the northmen, to the end of the first century of the union of the
states, By William Cullen Bryant, Sydney Howard Gay, Published 1876,
Sampson Low, United States.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bWEFAAA...1-PA542,M1
Bryant and Gay, page 542 Wrote:> But offences were sure to come. It was impossible for Mr. Williams
> to keep quiet; equally impossible, for the Council to let him
> alone. As a sort of preliminary of what was to come the colony was
> presently in a buzz, for he had persuaded the women of Salem that
> modesty required they should go veiled in public. Here was heresy.
> Cotton hastened to Salem to refute it, and his " insinuating and
> melting way " brought down every veil in the parish between the
> Sunday services. It was an exhaustive discourse, if we may trust
> Hubbard's report of it, and proved to the women of Salem that the
> Scriptural reasons were not applicable in their case; for many
> were wives and not virgins; none were like Tamar ; and none needed
> like Ruth, to hold up her veil before Boaz for a measure of
> barley. Not a woman's face was hidden on Sunday afternoon after
> this morning's" discourse. It was a great triumph over Roger
> Williams, and so pleased was Mr. Cotton with his success, that he
> carried the subject into the " Boston Lecture." But here Endicott
> met him in fierce debate, and so hot did it grow that the governor
> interfered to put an end to it.
There's no mention here of witchcraft, but as an incidental matter,
England outlawed witchcraft in 1641.
Eleven year old Abigail Williams was one of the girls who exhibited
the strange behavior leading to the Salem Witch Trials. I wondered
if she was related to Roger Williams, and found this:
Lindy Allen Wrote:> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/RIG...0929600752
> From: "Lindy Allen" <>
> Subject: [RIGENWEB-L] Roger Williams
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:52 -0700
> I am a direct relative of Roger Williams, the founder of
> Providence Rhode Island. I live in Washington State, and have
> traced my line through Abigail Williams who married Oliver Hazard
> Perry Clark. She is the daughter of Goliah Williams and Sarah
> Bickford. Goliah is the son of Squire Williams and Anne Potter.
> Squire is the son of Benoni Williams. Benoni is the son of Joseph
> Williams, who is the son of Daniel Williams, who is the son of
> Roger.
> I have done a lot of research, but I haven't found any further
> lineage from Abigail on down, in print. If anyone is interested, I
> can be reached either thru this forum, or by my private e-mail.
> Also, I need to get a real birth date for Roger. I have found so
> many dates, and none of them are the same.
> Lindy Allen
So all I have is a collection of jigsaw puzzle pieces that don't yet
quite fit together into a picture. But, at the very least, it is
very interesting that the Salem Witch Trials occurred 58 years after
a major event in the history of Salem.
