02-18-2019, 04:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-18-2019, 05:03 PM by Eric the Green.)
(02-18-2019, 08:44 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:(02-17-2019, 12:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Failure to support the Syria free rebels was a failure, not a success.
So you agree Obama's foreign policy was too passive?
In THIS case, yes.
Quote:Quote:In our system, the neo-cons get back into office every 8 years, so who knows what would have happened.
They have been out of office since 2009, so it's been 10 years.
Bush 43 was the biggest neo-con administration, but Trump has brought them back. Bolton for example, and Pompeo. Trump's military build-up and withdrawal from the Iran Treaty, for example. His withdrawal from the missiles treaty with Russia. His threats to use nuclear weapons, for example. His appeals to militarism, for example: "we will win so much, you'll get sick of winning"
Neo-cons have been returning regularly every 8 years. So, that's something to take account of when considering a Democratic-presidential US involvement abroad. It may be taken over by a neo-con, and that's not to the good. Trump took over the war on the IS, and it's true it probably progressed faster after that, but at the cost of many more lives, including many Iraqi and Syrian pro-democracy and neutral civilians.
Quote: The American public (especially millennials) hates them and it's unlikely a neo-con candidate wins in 2020. Hillary lost because the Trumpkins convinced Americans that she is a neo-con. Now, if Trump decides to invade Venezuela, he will be seen as the neo-con.
Hillary lost for many reasons. That she was seen as a neo-con, which she wasn't, is well down the list. Trump is already seen as a partial neo-con, and certainly will be seen as such if he invades Venezuela, but he is not likely to do that.
Quote:Quote:the Islamic State reappearing, and gradual re-involvement, and the USA will be fully back into the mess again by 2025
IS may not reappear, but al-Qaeda is alive and well, and Syria might be ready to become another classical early 2000s-style Emirate.
Syria is a classic genocidal dictatorship on the scale of Hitler and Stalin. Who knows what will become of it, or of the surrounding regimes and claimants. We'll see what happens after the war starts in Raqqa in Dec.2020, and the US gets involved directly by 2025.