It's in the "stars" (predicting by astrology and other means)

[Eric the Green]

(11-22-2019, 08:09 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(11-22-2019, 02:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Even if you don't believe astrology, and even if I am casting pearls in the wrong place, so to speak, I should remind you why the planetary indicators say that the next decade will be critical for the USA. Of course we all know that this is the 4th turning, and that I have been saying here for 20 years that the planetary cycles also confirm the generational cycle on this point.

The primary indicators of this 4th turning cycle among the planets is Uranus' Return to its place when both the colonies AND the American nation were born in 1607 and 1776 respectively. This return also happened around 1692 during King William's War and some rebellions in the colonies. I forget all the details of these 1690s era events, but since most of the future nation was still in England, its transition to parliamentary rule in these years and overthrow of the Stuart Dynasty supported by Louis XIV was crucial for the shape of the USA to come.

In 1861 Uranus returned to its birthplace (9 degrees Gemini) in the same week that Neptune began a whole new cycle through the zodiac in aggressive Aries, on the very day Ft. Sumpter fell, igniting the civil war, on Sept.13. Neptune had also opposed its original position in 1776 a few years before. Uranus next returned to this birth position on D-Day, the crucial battle to preserve the USA and The West from its enemies on June 6, 1944. Neptune also returned to its 1776 and 1607 birth position a few years before.

Neptune's 165-year cycle sets up a double rhythm with the Uranus Return every 84 years, which equals the modern saeculum. In the 2020s, Pluto will also return to the 1776 birth position soon, in 2022, in a triple rhythm, which indicates another revolution in America and possible challenge to our presidential system. In that year also, Neptune will oppose its original position, and in 2025-26 Neptune enters Aries to start its next zodiac cycle. In the most common horoscope for the USA, when Neptune enters Aries it is at the bottom or Nadir of the chart, which represents domestic affairs, while when it returns to its position in the 9th house it emphasizes foreign affairs. That's why the 1940s 4T emphasized response to a foreign threat, while the 1860s 4T represented the civil war, and why another civil war is the greatest threat in the current 4T, and why I predicted it might happen decades ago, and why a cold civil war is already upon us along with polarization and deadlock similar to that of the 1850s. The Apollonian and Dyonesian generations idea tends to support that idea that the generations of this current cycle and that of the civil war cycle turned their ideals for change inward, while the Appollonians of the great power cycle turned their attention outward.

These cyclic returns suggest that as 4Ts come in the future times, they will be extended longer, because the Uranus return comes later than the Pluto and Neptune returns each time. This time, the 4T climax will stretch from 2022 when Pluto and Neptune return to their birthplaces, to 2027 when Uranus returns to its place at the time of our nation's birthdays. Such gaps will be longer centuries from now, possibly reshaping the cycle in some way.

But these are not the only signs of the times in the 2020s. Every 180 years or so, Jupiter and Saturn shift the signs where they make conjunctions and trines (120-degree angles) into a new element. On winter solstice 2020, Jupiter and Saturn align at the start of Aquarius. This could not only signify a mini Aquarian Age, when reform and progress return, but a change from earth to air signs, so that material advancement will yield its dominance in our lives to networking and social advances. This is already being manifested in the shift from the industrial to the information age.

The drive for reform will not go away once the new era starts after Dec. 2020. And Pluto's alignment with this conjunction and its entry into Aquarius, where last it sat as the USA achieved independence and the French Revolution changed the world, indicates that this era will change the world and the nation as well, and that congress will assume greater power much as the National Convention did during the French Revolution. For Aquarius is the sign of the legislature. So leaders emerging in the House now like AOC are going to be the leaders of the 2020s. Get ready neo-liberals, your last days are at hand. And Neptune entering Aries in 2025-26 means that the muddle and delay characteristic of Pisces as last seen in the 1850s will yield to unremitting action. This also means that the next 1T will not be as peaceful and complacent as the 1950s under Neptune in Libra, but more controversial like the late 1860s and early 1870s under Neptune in Aries.

As Neptune enters Aries in 2025-early 2026, Saturn will line up with it for the whole year. Saturn conj. Neptune was in effect at the Boston Tea Party. The people will rise up and throw corporate papers into the rising sea, and proclaim the looming end of fossil fuels and climate change. I would not count out a right-wing resistance however, just like the new tea party, if liberals pass higher taxes and gun control, as is certain to happen. Thus will erupt our "civil war," which however I think the liberal authorities will be able to defeat fairly soon before the 4T period ends in 2029. Exactly how things play out depends on who is in power, but since this is a progressive decade, liberal power resisted by the right-wing seems most likely. Secession movements are highly likely, and this may change the shape of the USA. Blue states may let some red states leave the union. Reductions to the power of the president are likely, along with many needed reforms to our system such as the end of money in politics and the electoral college. Just how far our 4T changes go depends on us, however.

Saturn and Jupiter returning to Aquarius in the early 2020s indicate the progressive decade, fulfilling the pattern last seen in the 1960s, 1900s, 1840s and 1780s. Minor progressive decades with just Saturn in Aquarius include the 1990s, 1930s, 1870s and 1810s.

The Jupiter war cycle also returns in late 2024 through 2026, when the USA may also have to deal with a foreign threat as well as brewing domestic troubles.

Another indicator is more esoteric, and uniquely stated by E. Alan Meece, and that concerns the chart for the Neptune-Pluto conjunction back in 1892. This conjunction that happens every 493 years marked a change of age in civilization. Our world since then is not the same as the world of the Renaissance and Enlightenment. We have entered a new world since the breakthroughs, world wars and cultural shifts of that time. There is in astrology also something called progressions, enabled by the relation of the daily and yearly cycles of our lives. Every day after April 26, 1892 represents one year since then. In that chart, Mars turned stationary (magnified in significance as it passes close to Earth), and retrograde, on the day corresponding to 1962-63. It was the progressive era of JFK and LBJ, but afterward the progress represented by Mars in Aquarius in this chart of our age in the 20th century up until then started to go backwards too. Progress has been stifled since the 60s by the corporate establishment that got Nixon and Reagan elected.

But in 2022 this backward movement ends, and progressed Mars in Aquarius is now turning stationary, and will move direct again after 2022. The Earth will be passing on from its close approach to Mars in 1892. Progressed Mars will turn direct at 7 degrees Aquarius in 2022, the degree the Sun occupies on Jan.26th, the day Neptune begins its new cycle on 2026, and this is also the exact degree of the shining beacon of the new Aquarian Age that will happen when Uranus and Neptune align in 2165, exactly one precessional age since the time of Jesus at the time of the cosmic crucifix of 25 AD.

Was the Aquarian age really dawning around 1969 when that classic song by the Fifth Dimension all over the airwaves? At the time it was widely assumed that a new age predicated on peace and love would rule our future days. That philosophy was in effect at the time of Woodstock in August of that year after the turn of the decade a few months later with first Kent State and then Altamont..

It was, but this was another astrological cycle. In the sixties, Uranus and Pluto were in conjunction (roughly 1963-1969 and partially 1962-1970). Mars in Aquarius in the progressed chart of our age had just turned stationary (peak significance) in 1963, and Uranus (the planet connected to Aquarius) in that chart turned stationary direct in 1966, in Scorpio, the same year as the exact Uranus-Pluto conjunction (Pluto is connected to Scorpio). When the conjunction ended, the revolutionary and idealistic energy waned. We were left with Mars retrograde.

But a movement, sometimes called the greenpeace revolution, had begun, and it continues. People power, invented at Berkeley in 1964, sprang forth again in the Arab Spring era at the Uranus-Pluto square (first-quarter 90-degree angle) in the early 2010s (roughly 2008-2015), and it will advance further as the two planets reach a trine with Neptune between them in the 2020s, as described above. So the Aquarian emphasis of this new decade will bring back elements of the progressive spirit of the sixties and advance them to the next level, in political affairs at least. The fulfillment of the new culture, especially in its greening aspects, will be reached as Uranus and Pluto reach opposition in 2047 (about 2044-2050). So, just as an Awakening/2T was begun at the stroke of a Uranus-Pluto alignment, the next one will begin at the next such stroke in the mid-2040s, in which the movement begun at the conjunction in the sixties will reach consummation and climax. Such progressions also occurred in coincidence with previous Uranus-Pluto conjunction/opposition cycles. But this is the first time that the conjunction and opposition coincide with the start of successive 2T Awakenings.