Can a third party candidate win?

[Eric the Green]

(07-10-2016, 12:42 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-09-2016, 05:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-09-2016, 04:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-09-2016, 03:43 PM)Webmaster Wrote: Guys could you discuss the issues without talking about killing each other?

If he stops talking about his beliefs, I'll stop talking about having to kill him. I'm sorry, my beliefs don't threaten anyones property rights and condone government seizure of private property. Is this going to be a liberal forum where liberals are allowed to talk about ideas that are upsetting to most US TAXPAYERS and US TAXPAYERS who remind them there is still a presence of the real world to be concerned about.

Your beliefs threaten the viability of our society. But regardless, people should not be "killed" for their beliefs. Hyperbole, I suppose, on your part, but not valid or virtuous. You really think that's American?

Having to pay taxes worries Republicans. But people who pay attention are more concerned about other things than just having to pay taxes. It really tells us just where their heads are at.

I suggest (in jest, probably) that it should be taxable to be a Republican voter. Make them pay till it hurts! Classic, I hope your taxes go sky high!

I understand that expressing ones beliefs in a forum and acting on ones beliefs and attempting to impose them on me in real life is different. Expressing them, cutting down and smothering others beliefs in favor of your own and establishing them is harmless in a forum like this one. However, a forum like this ain't exactly the real world now is it. The real world can be and often is much harder and much tougher than this forum. It's pretty hard to place someone on ignore when they're pissed off and in your face and aren't going to let skip out of the situation that your in. I don't think Obama has ever been in that position. If he had, he would be wiser and more socially advanced than he appears to be to me. My beliefs are the direct counter to your beliefs and I made that point very clear to both of you. Now, take out your calculator and add up all the blacks, whites, browns, yellows and reds who hold similar beliefs who will be joining together to defeat you. BTW, what you suggest is the way it already is in America which is why we vote the way that we do. We want results. The Democrats want their checks. You want your check and your subsidies to continue. Democrats aren't to concerned about results. What happens to the leaches when they run out of blood?

Welfare is a tiny portion of your taxes, and already much reduced. Social security and medicare are paid for by its beneficiaries, the young supporting the old until the young become old. And safety nets protect everyone, including you. The tortured world view of constant fighting and struggle for survival is only true when and if YOU guys win.

What is more challenging to the less informed, the narrow-minded, than living in the dog-eat-dog world you speak of and support and want us all to remain stuck in, is to see the larger and longer view, and to understand all the history of the modern world and where it's been and where it's going; enough to see today in context, and to see what a wrong path your side has led us down. We need to turn back from the Reagan detour, and get back on the right side of the world revolution, as Dr. King said in 1967.

I know you resent me because I am so effective in countering you and your side. But I welcome the game, so that's OK. And you make incredibly-wild leaps of supposition, again demonstrated by your assertion that you know all about Obama's life. I know much more about him than you do; I have and read his book. He is where he is because of his prodigious talent and study. He would be much more respected than he is, were it not for the decadent state of half of American opinion embodied by such as yourself, which has held us back for so long and kept the nation from soaring ahead.

I understand that you have had to face challenges and fights. You speak partly from your experience. I don't know why you assume that I live off the government. I never have. I have gotten some benefit from my family, so if anything based on my economic situation I should think more like you do. But I know what kind of society I want to live in, and what works, and I know what it's like to feel disrespected just as the less fortunate do, so that's what determines my views.

Your trickle-down ideology may fool many. But the counter-revolution of Reagan has failed. The Revolution will start up again, and we will go forward. There's always many fits and starts, because it's true that humanity has much to learn, and the ways of war can't ultimately change the world. It will take expansion of consciousness and understanding. So I wish that you too can catch the wave and feel the winds blowing, which the rock and folk artists of the seventies and sixties spoke of. The people of color are of course all on MY side, not yours; as are whites of education, understanding and inspiration. There are still many of us around, in spite of the cynicism of the 3T and Reagan years.

It's amazing that you say you want "results!" Your side wants only blocks and stalls. The tides of progress will crash and sweep your side away, and the world will move on beyond the self-reliance, trickle-down, free market, individualist, neo-liberal, classical-liberal, social-darwinist, racist dog-whistle delusions, to the understanding that we all must contribute together. We will hang together, or we will hang separately. Our nation will move ahead again soon, or our nation will die. And take the world with it.

"We are all in this life together" is just a different world view than the one you hold. We can't be sure which one will prevail, but I hope and expect that the better view will, because as Martin Luther King and Theodore Parker said, the arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice.