Election 2020

[Classic-Xer]

(10-09-2020, 10:42 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-09-2020, 09:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-09-2020, 11:38 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I agree we have passed a 4T tipping point.  The question is less have we reached it at this point, but what we have reached and why?  I have been trying to figure out the cultural divide from years.   I’ve come to look at it from a bunch of angles.  Which one is most relevant?  What element once leaned towards the conservatives and is now leaning the other way?

After a little thought, the answer seems all of the above.

There are now more working poor votes than racist votes.  The selfish period of the S&H turnings has passed.  It is time to sacrifice for the community rather than be selfish.  We have taken ignoring problems, small government and low taxes too far.  The corruption of government is becoming not tolerable.  We have ignored science too much.  COVID is too deadly.

While all of the above might have flipped in time, Trump in his desperation to cling to power, has made parts of America that are neither red or blue not work.  He has hurt our elections, our post office, well, everything Arkarch mentioned above.  Folks that would have clung to one aspect or another of the old regime have to reconsider.

I am not sure people are tired so much as the Republicans have split themselves hopelessly.  The Trump Base, the establishment and the true conservatives are going to have to fight for the remnants leaving the Democrats a time of being dominant.  Not sure which Republican faction will come out on top.  The transition of power has to happen first, which is looking interesting enough.

We're kind of at the tipping point. I know this will go against popular opinion here, but if you already voted for Biden, you voted for Hoover instead and you'll see the tipping point you're looking for afterwards. The Democrats have been riding on laurels of a bygone age it no longer represents and its going to pay the ultimate price for years of lying and deceit. I don't know a Democrat who isn't a Democrat first or a Liberal who isn't a Liberal first. As far as now and Trumps reelection, it's a tipping point too. Either way, it's bad news for you and the Liberal's. You're fortunate that your region has more historical significance to America than the West Coast.

The time when America was great was when the tax and spend liberals supported the working man.  If the working man does well, it does trickle up, if not necessarily vice versa.  That time ended when LBJ went for the black vote, and the Republicans went for the racists.  There were just more racist voters than working poor.  At least that was the pattern until the policies created more working poor.  We had a selfish unravelling and a dominant Republican Party supporting the racists and elites.

That dynamic seems to have changed.  The racists are no longer dominant, and without the racist votes the pro elite people will have trouble finding votes.  The Democrats may go back to supporting the working man and solving problems for a while.  They might well echo their FDR to LBJ heyday.  The red attempts to ignore the two issues that have surfaced in the crisis - COVUS and violent racist policing - are non starters given that in a 4T the government is focused on solving the major problems of the culture.

Hoover?  His problem was a belief that the government never had and thus shouldn't try to regulate the economy.  Thus he did nothing with the boom and bust economy that led to the Great Depression.  FDR didn't have that problem, nor does either party today.

I would not have chosen Biden, but if he borrows enough ideas from Sanders and Warren he is apt to do OK.

I was using Hoover as an easy reference point.