10-30-2020, 03:56 PM
(10-30-2020, 08:25 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 30-Oct-2020 World View: Michigan
(10-29-2020, 08:56 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: > I live in Michigan, so let me disabuse you of your
> misconception. It was a conspiracy to kidnap the elected Governor
> of Michigan for which she was to be taken to a 'safe' location to
> be lynched. This looks like a dangerous conspiracy because it
> could have culminated in her death. So suppose that you start a
> plot with some shady-seeming characters to murder your business
> partner to collect on an insurance policy on that partner whose
> survival is essential for the survival of your shared business
> unless you get a huge payout?
Not suprisingly, you're completely missing the point, and probably
doing so purposely.
Fine. The conspiracy was violence. Whether it was violence makes no
difference to the point being made. Violence or no violence, I
condemn it completely, and I condemn the Wolverine Watchman
organization completely (and incidentally so did Trump), and I would
be happy to see the entire Wolverine Watchman organization put into
jail. Go for it!
I expect federal and state law enforcement to do their jobs. I am not going to predict the results of any legal process; I have been burned too many times with such predictions to do such any more.
Quote:The point is that you won't say the same thing about antifa-blm
violence. To you, fascist violence by antifa-blm is GOOD violence
because it targets your hated 63 million tea partiers and
Trump supporters. As I described in my previous post, a century
ago, you would think that KKK violence was GOOD violence, because
it would target the hated blacks who had escaped slavery thanks
to the hated Republicans. That's the Democrat culture, and it's
exactly the same today as it was a century ago.
As I said, I do not trust Antifa. It has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.
Quote:I don't understand why blacks support Democrats, since if the
Democrats had their way, then blacks would still be picking cotton for
their white massas.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party have shifted completely in affiliation. over about seventy years.
Quote:When all is said and done, I think that the Obama and Eisenhower Presidencies are going to look like good analogues. Both Presidents are chilly rationalists. Both are practically scandal-free administrations. Both started with a troublesome war that both found their way out of. Neither did much to 'grow' the strength of their Parties in either House of Congress. To compare ISIS to Fidel Castro is completely unfair to Fidel Castro, a gentleman by contrast to ISIS.
The definitive moderate Republican may have been Dwight Eisenhower, and I have heard plenty of Democrats praise the Eisenhower Presidency. He went along with Supreme Court rulings that outlawed segregationist practices, stayed clear of the McCarthy bandwagon, and let McCarthy implode.
gray -- did not vote in 1952 or 1956
white -- Eisenhower twice, Obama twice
deep blue -- Republican all four elections
light blue -- Republican all but 2012 (I assume that greater Omaha went for Ike twice)
light green -- Eisenhower once, Stevenson once, Obama never
dark green -- Stevenson twice, Obama never
pink -- Stevenson twice, Obama once
No state voted Democratic all four times, so no state is in deep red.
This map suggests that partisan affiliations more changed than did the political cultures of the states. Of course there will be some demographic change over 60 years... but note well: Eisenhower and Obama did well with the best-educated people of their times. The states in green are mostly the states among the worst in formal education.
I expect something similar as the result of the 2020 election.
Quote:And while we're at it, since you keep talking about the Nazis, the
fascist antifa-blm violence going on today is exactly the same as the
Nazi's Kristallnacht violence. And just as you blame the massive
antifa-blm violence on so-called "right-wing extremists" like
Wolverine Watchman, the Nazis blamed Kristallnacht on the Jews.
I will not allow people to blame the Other Guy for violent and destructive behavior. BLM is about a narrow issue of trigger-happy cops and not about making life easy for violent offenders. BLM is consistent with "do the crime, do the time".
Quote:In fact, it's very hard not to feel that the Nazis have taken over
completely in the United States. You don't know anything about this,
because you're being purposely kept in the dark so that you won't get
confused, but in the last 2-3 weeks there has been a massive flood of
evidence that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are criminally guilty of
influence peddling, money laundering, extortion, and other crimes, and
people are coming out of the woodwork to confirm it. This is now
fact, but the facts have been completely suppressed by the mainstream
media to make sure that you don't know about it. Twitter has been
obediently cooperating by shutting down any twitter account that dares
to even post links to the truth. Thus, twitter has shut down the
NYPost account, several administration accounts, several twitter
accounts of conservatives, and so forth -- all to make sure that
you're kept complete stupid, happy and obedient, and to preserve
"plausible deniability" by the Bidens.
uhhhh... no.
Trump has done terrible things, and the electoral results on Tuesday will test whether Americans trust Trump more than they trust Biden.
Quote:So you must be in hog heaven. The criminal Biden family is about to
take over the presidency, and the Nazis are controlling the media, and
burning down businesses owned by the hated tea partiers. The
Democrats LOVES that kind of stuff, whether it's the KKK, antifa-blm,
or the NY Times. They're all the same.
Trump is neck deep in corruption. Abuse of power is his norm.
Quote:By the way, for anyone reading this who'd like to have some idea of
what's actually going on in the world, watch the Fox News evening
lineup, especially Tucker Carlson and Hannity. For the rest of you,
just watch CNN and stay dumb, stupid and happy.
Here's an assessment of the reliability of FoX News. It has a strong right-wing bias and it is not a reliable source.
Quote:According to a Pew Research Center survey “Fox News was the main source for 40% of Trump voters” during the 2016 election. Further, another Pew Survey indicates “When it comes to choosing a media source for political news, conservatives orient strongly around Fox News. Nearly half of consistent conservatives (47%) name it as their main source for government and political news.”
Fox News typically looks at the issues from a conservative perspective and also has a number of on-air personalities that are strong supporters of Trump, such as Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Tomi Lahren. FNC typically skews conservative as there is less criticism of Trump, therefore the majority of stories are pro-Trump.
In review, FNC publishes stories with emotionally loaded headlines such as “’They Wanted It to Blow Up’: Limbaugh Says Success of Trump-Kim Summit Caught Media Off Guard” and “Tucker: 2016 Russia Collusion ‘Witch Hunt’ Now Extends to Jill Stein.” When it comes to sourcing they typically utilize pro-Trump pundits such as Rush Limbaugh who has a very poor record with fact-checkers, as well as credible sources such as the Wall Street Journal. Fox News is also known to publish right-wing conspiracy theories, although after being sued they retracted the story. FNC has also been deemed the least accurate cable news source according to Politifact.
A factual search reveals several failed fact checks by news hosts.
Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however, straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting. (7/19/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 9/19/2020)
- Says John Bolton “fundamentally was a man of the left.” – PANTS OF FIRE
- “The president said he’s going to bring in 250,000 (Syrian and Iraqi) refugees into this country.” – PANTS ON FIRE
- “Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns.” – PANTS ON FIRE
- “NASA scientists fudged the numbers to make 1998 the hottest year to overstate the extent of global warming.” – PANTS ON FIRE
- Obamacare is “one big fat VA system.” – PANTS ON FIRE
- Says Marie Yovanovitch was “dishonest” when she claimed under oath that she never personally responded to an email from a Democratic staffer. But “in fact, it turns out that she did respond.” – FALSE
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/
Media Bias Fact Check does not have a flattering view of CNN, by the way.
Quote: In review, CNN presents straight news coverage with a left-leaning bias in story selection that is often critical of the right. For example, during the 2016 Presidential Election Pew Research concluded that the majority of CNN stories covering President Donald Trump were negative. While less dramatic, Pew also determined that more stories were negative toward Presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012.
Editorially, CNN’s programming almost exclusively favors the left. For example, a typical panel discussion will feature 4 to 8 guest commentators with one being a Republican, such as Rick Santorum. This creates a situation where left-leaning voices drown out the right.
CNN typically utilizes loaded emotional words in sensational headlines such as this: Trump pounces on Justice Department report findings. They usually source their news properly through credible reporters/journalists and through hyperlinking to credible media sources. However, CNN has failed several fact checks from Politifact. It should be noted that these fact checks were almost exclusively from guests on their numerous talk shows and not from the reporting of actual news, which tends to be factual. TV hosts have also failed fact checks by IFCN fact-checkers. Further, CNN has retracted published stories that have been deemed as lacking evidence. Finally, CNN has published misleading information regarding GMOs that utilize loaded fear-based headlines such as this: FDA allows genetically engineered ‘Frankenfish’ salmon to be imported to US. CNN has also utilized known purveyors of pseudoscience as experts on discussion panels such as the Food Babe.
A 2014 Pew Research Survey found that 44% of CNN’s audience is consistently or mostly liberal, 40% Mixed and 20% consistently or mostly conservative. This indicates that CNN is preferred by a more liberal audience.
Failed Fact Checks
Overall, we rate CNN left biased based on editorial positions that consistently favors the left, while straight news reporting falls left-center through bias by omission. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks by TV hosts. However, news reporting on the website tends to be properly sourced with minimal failed fact checks. (5/16/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 09/22/2020)
- “I was able to go and buy an automatic weapon … Most people can go out and buy an automatic weapon.” – FALSE
- “1 percent of candidates that (the National Rifle Association) endorsed in 2012 won.” – FALSE
- “ISIS lures women with kittens, nutella.” – MOSTLY FALSE
- “Trump’s claim that there are 13 Democrats on Mueller’s team is also false,” – FALSE
- Coronavirus: Facial Hair Recommendations Not Shared By The CDC – FALSE
- If President Trump decides to deploy the U.S. military domestically, he would be “mobilizing U.S. military troops on American soil for the first time since 1807.” – False (Corrected)
- “Greenland’s ice sheet has melted to a point of no return, according to new study” – Low Scientific Credibility
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/
CNN and FoX are similarly good on breaking news; it is in news analysis that breaks down their credibility. I heavily rely upon the AP wires that, due to blitz reporting, offer news without fluff. There might not be enough stories to entertain one, but if you want entertainment go rent a video. (It helps that I am priced out of pay-cable at any level and rely upon broadcast TV or the Internet.
Regrettably one of the TV channels that I get is owned by Sinclair Media Holdings, which I smear with the sobriquet "Stinking Liar".
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
