01-09-2021, 02:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2021, 03:47 PM by Eric the Green.)
Good to see your post, whoever you are mamabug.
I like the spiral dynamics (and planetary dynamics) approach. Tribalism is one of the earliest manifestations of society and stages of evolution. It was the ruling "value meme" or worldview from about 30,000 + BC to about 7000 + BC. It is really old hat, in other words. It is out of date; it is reversion to the distant past. These worldview memes do persist, even after their heyday. So that is part of what's happening. http://philosopherswheel.com/planetarydynamics.html
But the tribal Republicans are not valid, and are a temporary aberration. It is simple dysfunction. They proved it January 6th. Not only the mobs, but the rednecks in the House who voted their will. What a bunch of pathetic monsters they are; I listened to some of these redneck yahoos during the session on Jan.6th and could not believe how utterly stupid they are. The tribal Republicans are nothing that anyone should appease or include. They just need to go away, period.
It may take a while, but things pass. The Nazis and the KKK passed, and these alt-right neo-nazis and neo-KKK types will pass in turn. These deplorables deserve no quarter; they must be defeated, and their cult leader must never serve in office again. They are the Crisis itself. Once the 4T ends, they will have been defeated. Their alternate reality will fade away.
The Left did have its radicals, with some violent tendencies, back in the late 1960s, and the alt-right, redneck, neo-liberal movement is largely a reaction against these very 1960s movements. Perhaps this small, violent-new-left's old methods, and its calls for revolution, and its riots in the cities, influenced today's reactionary alt-right extremists, which the Left itself has now long since put aside. And yet in their slogans, the alt-right claims to represent the "USA!" and they play that horrible song about being proud to be an American. They played that song at Trump's Save America rally that incited the attack on the Capitol. Complete irony and contradiction. This movement is authoritarian, nationalist, confederate, racist fascism, pure and simple. It cannot be tolerated, or negotiated with. It must be defeated, utterly.
The standard opening song played at each campaign event with President Trump is Lee Greenwood's recording of "God Bless The USA." Lee Greenwood surprised the president with his live performance of the song at this MAGA Rally in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Many people have become caught up in this redneck tide because they have felt left out economically. They have been deceived and caught up in scapegoating the wrong people, such as non-whites, atheists, hippies and immigrants. Perhaps some of them can be swayed away from this alt-right abyss. Their economic concerns are real and valid, but they have been coopted and misdirected. Their support for the alt-right leads them to oppose the very policies that could deal with and cure their problems. They have bought into the tempting ideologies of the right: trickle-down economics/self-reliance and anti-ecology memes, xenophobia and white identity politics, white supremacy and welfare scapegoating, militarism and nationalism, gun "rights," and fundamentalist religious anti-feminist anti-gay social conservatism and anti-counter-culture. Added to this is the anti-science, alternative fact conspiracy theory culture that has infected our society in recent years, and on all sides. But the entire alt-right is a tool of the corporate elite. The alt right supports the policies that support the oligarchy, even as they feel they are outsiders. What they get for all their shouting is lower taxes and less regulations on the elites and cuts in the very government programs that could help them. They need to be re-educated in some way. Their current cause needs to be defeated, so they can look and find the real solutions, which are on the left or at least a moderate left. And as younger, more diverse and more-liberated people come on the scene, old fogey anti-hippies and rednecks will be ever-less than half the electorate.
The problems that we face are real; they are not pretexts for an elite to take power. Those on the blue side are stronger now because the need to deal with these concerns has become much stronger, because the wrong faction has held power for so long that real action has been delayed. And so the problems have gotten worse, and therefore demands have gotten more strident. It is only the alt-right that supports the elite. The left supports solutions. The Left is not a blue tribe. It is moved by more-evolved worldview memes on the spiral and planetary dynamic than the tribal meme. It is the future. The alt-right is moved by more-primitive ones. It is the past.
So there is no reason why a consensus candidate and consensus policy-set cannot emerge in the course of the 2020s and take over in the 1T. The 2020s fit the pattern of destiny as a progressive decade, like the 1900s, 1930s and 1960s. As progressive policies are increasingly put in place, they will convert enough of the other side to them that the other tribal-Republican side will lose power. The Democrats have some potential candidates who can bring much of the country together. Potential candidates like Mitch Landrieu, Terry McAuliffe, Susan Rice, and even perhaps those two new senators from Georgia. And other new leaders may come along. For now, Joe Biden is showing himself to be the leader we need, despite much recent skepticism about his capability and his record. Kamala Harris will not be the one. If she is nominated, the Democrats will not be out of the woods, and everything could crumble. The Democrats will need likable candidates who can connect with the people and inspire them. The virtual "law" is that the most likable candidate wins, regardless of ideology, party or policies. That is how Trump beat Hillary. That won't change, but the Republicans will have to choose better than Trump and his ilk if they want to be viable at all from now on.
I like the spiral dynamics (and planetary dynamics) approach. Tribalism is one of the earliest manifestations of society and stages of evolution. It was the ruling "value meme" or worldview from about 30,000 + BC to about 7000 + BC. It is really old hat, in other words. It is out of date; it is reversion to the distant past. These worldview memes do persist, even after their heyday. So that is part of what's happening. http://philosopherswheel.com/planetarydynamics.html
But the tribal Republicans are not valid, and are a temporary aberration. It is simple dysfunction. They proved it January 6th. Not only the mobs, but the rednecks in the House who voted their will. What a bunch of pathetic monsters they are; I listened to some of these redneck yahoos during the session on Jan.6th and could not believe how utterly stupid they are. The tribal Republicans are nothing that anyone should appease or include. They just need to go away, period.
It may take a while, but things pass. The Nazis and the KKK passed, and these alt-right neo-nazis and neo-KKK types will pass in turn. These deplorables deserve no quarter; they must be defeated, and their cult leader must never serve in office again. They are the Crisis itself. Once the 4T ends, they will have been defeated. Their alternate reality will fade away.
The Left did have its radicals, with some violent tendencies, back in the late 1960s, and the alt-right, redneck, neo-liberal movement is largely a reaction against these very 1960s movements. Perhaps this small, violent-new-left's old methods, and its calls for revolution, and its riots in the cities, influenced today's reactionary alt-right extremists, which the Left itself has now long since put aside. And yet in their slogans, the alt-right claims to represent the "USA!" and they play that horrible song about being proud to be an American. They played that song at Trump's Save America rally that incited the attack on the Capitol. Complete irony and contradiction. This movement is authoritarian, nationalist, confederate, racist fascism, pure and simple. It cannot be tolerated, or negotiated with. It must be defeated, utterly.
The standard opening song played at each campaign event with President Trump is Lee Greenwood's recording of "God Bless The USA." Lee Greenwood surprised the president with his live performance of the song at this MAGA Rally in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Many people have become caught up in this redneck tide because they have felt left out economically. They have been deceived and caught up in scapegoating the wrong people, such as non-whites, atheists, hippies and immigrants. Perhaps some of them can be swayed away from this alt-right abyss. Their economic concerns are real and valid, but they have been coopted and misdirected. Their support for the alt-right leads them to oppose the very policies that could deal with and cure their problems. They have bought into the tempting ideologies of the right: trickle-down economics/self-reliance and anti-ecology memes, xenophobia and white identity politics, white supremacy and welfare scapegoating, militarism and nationalism, gun "rights," and fundamentalist religious anti-feminist anti-gay social conservatism and anti-counter-culture. Added to this is the anti-science, alternative fact conspiracy theory culture that has infected our society in recent years, and on all sides. But the entire alt-right is a tool of the corporate elite. The alt right supports the policies that support the oligarchy, even as they feel they are outsiders. What they get for all their shouting is lower taxes and less regulations on the elites and cuts in the very government programs that could help them. They need to be re-educated in some way. Their current cause needs to be defeated, so they can look and find the real solutions, which are on the left or at least a moderate left. And as younger, more diverse and more-liberated people come on the scene, old fogey anti-hippies and rednecks will be ever-less than half the electorate.
The problems that we face are real; they are not pretexts for an elite to take power. Those on the blue side are stronger now because the need to deal with these concerns has become much stronger, because the wrong faction has held power for so long that real action has been delayed. And so the problems have gotten worse, and therefore demands have gotten more strident. It is only the alt-right that supports the elite. The left supports solutions. The Left is not a blue tribe. It is moved by more-evolved worldview memes on the spiral and planetary dynamic than the tribal meme. It is the future. The alt-right is moved by more-primitive ones. It is the past.
So there is no reason why a consensus candidate and consensus policy-set cannot emerge in the course of the 2020s and take over in the 1T. The 2020s fit the pattern of destiny as a progressive decade, like the 1900s, 1930s and 1960s. As progressive policies are increasingly put in place, they will convert enough of the other side to them that the other tribal-Republican side will lose power. The Democrats have some potential candidates who can bring much of the country together. Potential candidates like Mitch Landrieu, Terry McAuliffe, Susan Rice, and even perhaps those two new senators from Georgia. And other new leaders may come along. For now, Joe Biden is showing himself to be the leader we need, despite much recent skepticism about his capability and his record. Kamala Harris will not be the one. If she is nominated, the Democrats will not be out of the woods, and everything could crumble. The Democrats will need likable candidates who can connect with the people and inspire them. The virtual "law" is that the most likable candidate wins, regardless of ideology, party or policies. That is how Trump beat Hillary. That won't change, but the Republicans will have to choose better than Trump and his ilk if they want to be viable at all from now on.