What the next First Turning won't be like

[David Horn]

(01-11-2021, 07:37 PM)mamabug Wrote:

(01-11-2021, 01:37 PM)User3451 Wrote:

(01-11-2021, 11:45 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-10-2021, 12:54 PM)mamabug Wrote: Honestly, at this point, it is entirely with the Left's control just how bad the 4T gets (in terms of, you know, outright killing or gulag-style imprisonment of American citizens).  From my perspective, the key is to stop demonizing and scapegoating every Republican, conservative, and/or person who voted for Trump.  They need to push the bounds of who is in the in-group out far enough to allow people like rural gun-owners, conservative Christians and Jews, and civil libertarians back in (preferably without a struggle session).  Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.  Instead, I see the farthest Left wing of the Democratic party tightening the 'in-group' even further which will open the door for increasing violence on both sides.

I think you live in a dream world.  These folks are where they are because they've been living in the environment you suggest for decades -- centuries, for some.  If everything you "know" is factually wrong, does that make it less potent?  Of course not; in fact, quite the opposite.  I won't claim to have the magic potion that get's us where we need to be, but lowering inequality is a mandatory minimum, and within the scope of government. Start there.  This is the work of decades, and none of us is young enough to see the end ... with the possible exception of Camz.

 
Addressing economic inequality needs to be done first. All other forms of inequality rest on material conditions. 

It's pretty simple.

 
I would like to say that the lack of out-group empathy I am seeing on a board dedicated to analyzing a theory of history (which should be semi-objective at least) is just one more reason for my alarmism.

Every single one of the groups I've mentioned has valid concerns that are no less important or more despicable than those of urban blacks, the trans community, and environmental activists.  That each side is willing to dismiss those concerns out of hand as being 'wrong' because they come from the other side is definitely the Crisis Mindset at work.

I'm just going to sit back and wait for the Artists to come along and tell us how wrong we were for treating each other that way.

I see your point, but wonder how to do what you suggest.  Much of white evangelical identity (what you're discussing here) makes no room for the reduction in status that this group must accept for a diverse country to succeed. No one gets to be King of the Hill in a truly fair society -- certainly not by virtue of birth.  This is the third pass at fixing a vexing race problem created at the dawning of this nation.  Both prior attempts failed on this very issue.