01-19-2021, 12:53 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2021, 12:58 AM by Eric the Green.)
(01-16-2021, 04:26 PM)mamabug Wrote:(01-16-2021, 09:54 AM)David Horn Wrote: It doesn't change the facts on the ground, though. Global Warming is real, and the cost to fix it will be borne by those people who benefited from creating the problem. If you're a coal miner, you're not going to be doing that much longer.
But did the coal miner, who worked for long, back breaking hours at minimal pay and suffer long term health consequences because of it *really* benefit from creating the problem of global warming? The coal mine owner isn't going to pay for global warming, he's going to pocket any compensation for closing the mine and go invest it in mining for components for solar panels.
As I see it, the solutions for solving Global Warming remind me a lot of the solutions for solving COVID - they are based on models often using unvalidated assumptions and speculative data that, magically, results in recommendations that require centralizing government power and enriching corporations. It's not that I disagree AGW is real or that it is an issue, it's that the more I'm told by the people who will benefit that the *only* solution is to give them what they want, the more I think they are using fear to gain power not to actually solve the problem.
I do blame Republicans in a lot of this because they often spend too much time denying the problem rather than saying, yes this is a problem but your 'solutions' will just make everything worse. Possibly, this is because almost all national level politicians are part of the elite that will benefit from the solution so their objections are weak.
Ah, well, such is the way of the world. Politicians are corrupt and self serving and big business uses that to their advantage. The best most of us can hope for is they'll manage to give us the bread and circuses we need to stay happy.
The coal minors owe their poor health, drug use and unhappy life to the fact that they are, or were, coal minors, and voted for their job instead of their health.
The solutions for solving Covid and solving global warming are both correct. The problem is that they have not been implemented fully enough. Put trickle-downers in charge, and they leave everything to the states and localities on the philosophy that this is less tyrannical. All that does is subject us to the tyranny of more covid and more fires, droughts, floods and global warming. Both problems originate in our encroachment on Nature. Give it space, and learn the lesson of the failure of Trump and the Republicans to deal with problems. Restore the government to appropriate solutions to help the people and keep business greed in check. Don't think that it enriches corporations to implement solutions. And be glad that some people invest in these solutions. The government needs to invest more in them. And enact national production acts.
What enriches corporations is trickle-down Reaganomics. It gives them all the tax and regulation breaks it wants, and plenty of subsidies too. That is how the wealthy few got to have all the marbles in the USA, while most people have to work paycheck to paycheck or go homeless.