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Estimating who belongs in S&H's Millennials (not mainstream Millennials)
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(06-16-2021, 08:53 AM)Ghost Wrote:
(06-16-2021, 02:50 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:
(06-15-2021, 02:09 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-15-2021, 06:29 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: If the 4T drags on till 2030, it's likely that end date for millennials will be about 2010.

Wikipedia defines generation alpha as 2010-25, this looks like preliminary dates for new artists. Millennials and Pew's Z are just two waves of civics. At least according to my idea that coming of age is more important than early childhood.

My grandchildren and their friends are all born in 2004 or 2005. Noe are Millennials in the archetypal sense of the term, though at least a few have Artist tendencies.  If 2008 began the 4T, then 2010 is simply to late.

People born in 2004 will be 26 in 2030. It means many of them will have worked full-time, married and become parents in the 4T. An Artist is supposed to have only childhood or adolescent experiences of the 4T, not adult ones. Though my niece was born in 2005 and my friend's kids in 2008, for now they are more artists than civics, but a prolonged 4T might remake them into cuspers.

For the same reason I doubt people born in 1982-5 are millennials.

You can't really take 1982-85 out of Millennials. 1982 babies are literally who the term was coined for in the first place, and people born in 1983-85 came of age even later.

2010 is simply too late for Millennials to end. They were born after the 2008 Financial Crisis, and there's a high likelihood they will come of age during 1T. There are a lot of people who are trying to boot me out of Millennials because I didn't vote in the Trump vs. Hillary election and was only two when 9/11 happened (I generally see this behavior coming from questionable 97-98 babies), and I believe there is even someone on here (might no longer be active) who doesn't include 1999 in Millennials.

I agree. The problem with the saeculum is that in the "modern" as opposed to "post-modern" times, events and changes happened more rapidly, and several turnings were cut off early in their length. Hitler probably accelerated the arrival of the 1T by invading Western Europe in the Battle of the Bulge and thereby wasting his army. His attack on Russia was a doomed adventure too. So the previous 4T only lasted from 1929 to 1945 or 1946. If the next 1T started in 1946, then it was cut off by the JFK assassination at the end of 1963 and other Awakening events followed that cut the first turning too short as well.

But the saeculum cannot be speeded up, despite what some people think. The Uranus cycle still rules, and lifetimes have not gotten shorter. And we are no longer in the "modern times" of progress in which events were said to go faster and faster. Neo-liberalism ended that. Progress stalled for 40 years, and nothing changed except the arrival of some fancy new gadgets and new computer programs. The modernist mood changed after the sixties too. Pollution and climate change as well as depersonalization, urban sprawl, crime/guns, riots, unnecessary wars and cultural decline made modernism less attractive. The STT was stopped, and progress ended. So the saeculum, which is all about progress, slowed down. The Awakening turning dragged on into the 1980s even though Reagan was already president and the awakening felt stale. Then in 1984 came the long 3T under neo-liberalism, and then a phony 4th turning after 2008.

So that means the generational dates last longer too on this side of the saeculum. The rhythm adjusted. Despite what Pew claims, Gen X nomads were born during a full two decades from 1961 (or 1962) until 1981, and millennials started in 1982 (and maybe the cusp extended to 1984) and lasted into the early 2000s. The Gen Zers will last until about 2025.

But the planetary cycles indicate the turnings will speed up again during the next first turning, at least, because the same cycle that speeded up the arrival of the sixties Awakening will happen again, for the only time in history during an Awakening, and at the same moment in the saeculum.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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RE: Estimating who belongs in S&H's Millennials (not mainstream Millennials) - by Eric the Green - 06-16-2021, 07:52 PM

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