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First Turning "purge"
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(03-11-2022, 09:28 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:
Quote:. For example; Milo Yiannopoulos or Jordan Peterson* and Richard Spencer are in the same movement, just on different points of the spectrum.
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......I can post more. He has plenty to say on this topic. Frankly, that claim is a bit silly.

It's not that silly. Hitler heavily abused medical metaphors (as in 'the Jews are a lethal bacillus/virus/carcinogen upon the Volk) and even medical research. I can imagine a Ku Kluxist saying much the same about African-Americans destroying the 'pure and precious' white race through interracial sex and deciding that the solution is some form of genocide. Such a Klansman would exploit ugly images of violent, thuggish rapists (who also deal drugs and do robberies). More insidious to racial purists might be the black bourgeoisie, which really intermarries. In their case the race-mixing typically results in the black bourgeoisie gaining non-black genes and becoming 'whiter' while almost never becoming wpractice practically hite. (Black genes 'entering' the white population typically involves people with little African ancestry).

If one can be pulled to marginally-crazy ideas while in a milieu that makes escapes from such ideas increasingly difficult because a regime becomes increasingly repressive, regimented, and brutal, then escape is difficult from the Abyss. Even Hitler could not fully implement his genocide upon taking power. First he made Jewish life unpleasant; then he took away the means of sustenance (government jobs, the professions, and media) so that they lost their viability. They could live only in cast-off places where they could be watched closely while their plight was beyond the view of people who might take pity upon them. They lost their right to vote (well, a vo4e in a Nazi election was meaningless), to travel except by foot, to keep dogs (your beloved pooch will attack attackers) or practice their religion. Meanwhile the controlled media intensified the vilification of Jews, with the vile Der Stuermer warning German parents that as Passover approaches that they must be wary of Jews who will kill gentile children for blood to add to the matzoh...never mind that kashrut practice precludes the addition of blood to any food and that murder is the highest abomination in Jewish life. Isolated and defenseless, their plight clearly denying the myth of any potent Jewish conspiracy of world domination, helpless Jews could be rounded up for slaughter in just outside Germany, where the subjected people were warned that they too would go 'up the same chimneys' as ashes if they reported the mass murders.

Peterson scares us with "You (at least potentially) are the Nazi!"... but the depraved system is at part at fault.The cure is the recognition that the vulnerable person is one's brother. I need not be a Muslim to recognize that Islam-bashing ill serves my conception of the American way of life. I need not be a homosexual to find homophobia a grave affront. After being gay-bashed I became a militant supporter of LGBT rights.

It's up to us to stand up for human rights as the demagogues unleash streams of bigotry entices official violence. We must reject angry demagogues for their anger not only when they use threatening language against others...  especially when those demagogues make appealing promises. People who see themselves as model minorities for their achievements (German Jews were the definitive Model Minority!) are far more vulnerable than the poor and oppressed who are the cheap labor that underpin aristocrati ways of life. Even the criminals have more survival skills. Achievement and virtue are not enough to keep one from being beaten, robbed, and murdered. Recall the highly-successful musical Cabaret, most likely as the 1972 film. (The story has many different treatments on stage, but one is most likely to have seen the movie). The only likeable characters are the (Jewish) Landauer family and Fritz Wendel, a suitor of Natalia Landauer, who has been hiding that he is Jewish and then  asserts such proudly (and at grave personal risk) to Nazis. We know that if any of the Jews get stranded in Germany that bad things will happen to them, which is an element of horror typical in horror movies (freakish characters, strange goings-on, and bad things happening to innocent people.

Two versions of a scary song:












We all have the Nazi example as a scare. German Jews as members of the middle and upper-middle class had only one obvious difference between themselves and German Christians: Jesus. They saw themselves sharing a culture and having an unobjectionable set of moral values. (That was not quite so; there was nothing wrong with gentile Germans of the time depicted in Cabaret that Judaism would not have solved).

When we recognize human brotherhood despite ethnicity and creed we have defeated Nazi-style and KKK-style fascism (as if there is any meaningful difference between the two). When we recognize the legitimacy of views contrary to our cultural sensibilities and economic interests, then we thwart both Bolshevism and Pinochet-style fascism.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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