10-10-2018, 07:24 AM
(10-10-2018, 05:58 AM)Teejay Wrote: I have figured out what the main battle of this Fourth Turning, it is Liberal Democracy vs the Alt-Right/Neo-Nationalist (which I see as a spectrum) movement. For a while I was on the fringes of the alt-right scene, I got into because of the my involvement in the counter-jihad movement and in recent years it has been entering this territory. I have recently figured out how incredibly insidious this ideology is and they are duping a lot of people, usually gradually.
I don't believe law enforcement authorities (in general) know how bad it has gotten, because they only notice when the people have reached the alt-right stage, not the neo-nationalist/alt-lite stage. For example; Milo Yiannopoulos or Jordan Peterson* and Richard Spencer are in the same movement, just on different points of the spectrum. Essentially people start on the road to the alt-right when they get 'red-pilled' or starting believing in conspiracy theories say like that of cultural Marxism. I think writing book on this whole movement (if good guys win) will become my life work, so that future generations of people can avoid same fate.
The neo-nationalist parties which are major political players now aren’t too extreme. Although it is alarming that it has entered the American Right (which is 30% odd percentage of the American public that are Trump supporters). In Australia on the other-hand they are still pretty fringe, although starting to enter into a few minor parties.
However, the second global financial crisis will come and a lack of global effort to combat it will plunge the world into an massive economic downturn like the Great Depression. Then those countries with neo-nationalist parties in power will get more extreme or more extreme alt-right parties will come to power.
The countries of Western Europe have been pretty good at identifying and containing alt-right. However the European Union is weak and neo-nationalist parties are governments in some Eastern European countries. Such parties as the Austria Freedom Party and Italy's Lega Nord are in government in those countries. Millennial students on university campuses have been good at trying to prevent speakers they deem as having 'alt-lite' or 'alt-right' ideas.
Therefore, the first Turning Purge which the one in the last first turning was McCarthyism can go two ways depending on which side wins.
If Liberal Democracy wins, anybody who part of the Neo-Nationalist/Alt-Right or even suspected of Neo-Nationalist/Alt-Right leanings. Nationalism and Populism are going to become words akin to Fascism and Nazism. I applaud Twitter and Facebook for starting to purge people with this subversion elements. Donald Trump is complaining that it unfairly targets Conservatives.
If the Neo-Nationalist/Alt-Right wins, little doubt authoritarian regimes would emerge that would be at best 'illiberal democracies' at worst downright totalitarian.
They will purge what they consider their enemies which will be at the very least.
Anybody in the media and in public life they deem as "Leftists" or "Communists".
Feminist and LBGTQ activists.
Academics and teachers which they see as peddling "Cultural Marxism".
Transgender and even Homosexual people will be regarded as suffering from a mental illness and be sent to psychiatric hospitals to be retreated.
Depending on the regime in power:
Muslims (in some areas, where they are especially big enemies of whatever alt-right regime is in power)
Jews
Other ethnic groups deemed undesirable.
These regimes death toll won’t be on the scale of Nazism or Communism, still a lot of people killed.
Ultimately the alt-right want to take society back to the 1950's (well a fantasy version). Expect the education system to be purged of anything remotely resembling “cultural Marxism” and "post-modernism".
America is not Weimar Germany in its weak response to Nazis. Neo-Nazis in America did violent crimes including assassination of a radio talk-show host and some bank robberies (operating on the myth that the Jews own the banks -- they do not) as well as the big bugaboo of the financial system, counterfeiting. Those neo-Nazis faced the full power of law enforcement and were blown away or put away. Weimar Germany treated Nazi outrages with laxity that fostered their ruthlessness and risky behavior. A system that took its own sovereignty seriously would have treated the Beer Hall Putsch as severely as it treated the figures of the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic instead of giving Hitler a slap on the wrist.
The Klan did not get away with the same stuff even if it was at times larger than Nazis in Germany. I can imagine a Klan-dominated America -- and it would have torture chambers and concentration camps. It might not have exterminated blacks, but it might have sought to restore slavery. Jews would have been in deep trouble, and they would have been more likely to be killed. Anti-Chinese violence might have been the model.
Fascistic movements are always hostile to any sexuality other than that expressing male dominance of women. It is telling that the British and Americans insisted on the enfranchisement of women in conquered Italy and Japan -- and in liberated France. France barely missed going fascist on its own, and the vulnerabilities of a sexist system made the Vichy regime as odious as it was. Women are more cautious and conventional in their politics, more likely to heed the sober pronouncements of a clergyman than the boozy appeals of a drunk howling his personal distress in politics to like-minded, similarly boozing men.
...Any war against Islam will turn the moderate Muslims against America. If it was a catastrophic blunder of the Nazis to persecute the Jews, think of what a war against Islam would be. The moderate Muslims, the ones who see no conflict between Jefferson or Lincoln with Islam, will in the end judge American war criminals harshly for violating the tenets not of the Koran, but instead of the American political heritage.
Consider how the Allies judged Japanese officials for mistreatment of prisoners of war after World War II. Having to determine whether such barbarity was inherent in Japanese culture, they contrasted humane treatment of Russian POWs after the Russo-Japanese war and of German soldiers (Japan was on the side of the Allies in WWI) to what the Japanese did to American, British, Dutch, Australian, and Chinese prisoners during WWII. Moderate Muslims will see American decency in the past closer to Islamic virtues than to brutality in a time of evil rule. Add to that, those moderate Muslims will take note of how American Christians saw Nazi brutality toward victims of the Third Reich; one need not be a Jew to recognize the obscenity of the Holocaust.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.