Election 2020

[David Horn]

(03-12-2020, 12:31 PM)JDG 66 Wrote:

(03-11-2020, 02:53 PM)David Horn Wrote: I may not be a lawyer, but I can tell when someone is stupidly confessing to criminal activity on live TV...  Trump asked Russia to intervene in 2016, and has asked Ukraine and the Chinese to intervene in this election.  If that resulted in actions by either party, and it certainly did with the Russians, then conspiracy is already proven.  I could go on at length about obstruction of Congress and justice in general, but why bother?

And showing a video of two leaders talking about state business proves nothing.  If you have a case that this was done by Obama for his personal benefit, then show it.  It's been alleged by others, and no one found it credible who was credible him or herself.

-Obstruction of Congress is not a crime. Using that standard, Obama and Holder should have been impeached fro withholding the Fast & Furious docs.

Wrong. In fact, there are numerous actions that qualify

JDG 66 Wrote:Now, let's compare Trump's public joke to Obama's plot...

Trump quote:

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press"

...because everyone in the audience knew that the last thing that the mainstream media wanted to do at that time was do anything that would hurt Clinton.

This is how conspiracy works. Some form of collaboration occurs that is followed by a definite action in response. In the case of Hillary's emails, Trump asked his buddy Vlad, and the results were delivered in near real time. That's pretty cut-and-dry.

JDG 66 Wrote:BTW, your lack of concern that Clinton's personal server allowed the Russian's and Chinese to hack here emails is telling. Funny, I remember back in 2008 when you pointed out what a shady thing the Clinton Foundation was. I guess you got over it.

And those bits of classified information consisted of what exactly? On yeah: nothing! Was this a smart move on her part? Absolutely not -- but it wasn't criminal in any way. She deserved the public spanking, but the "lock her up" nonsense was just bad theater.

JDG 66 Wrote:Obama sotto voce quote, accidentally caught on tape:

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.”

...so, Obama asked Medvedev to help him on his election in return for giving the Russians what they wanted. Mr. Horn, why it would be that Obama would be able to give the Russian's exactly what they want (which he did, constantly) only when he is no longer electorally responsible to the American people? That's actual quid pro quo.

You extracted this bit of data from what source? I gave a source, and the consensus of everyone involved in the incident had to do with sensitive negotiations over defensive missiles in eastern Europe … not Obama's slam-dunk election.

JDG 66 Wrote:Meanwhile, there is ZERO evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. Mueller's partisan political hacks were desperate to find anything, but there was no there there. Meanwhile, Obama's DOJ swallowed whole Russian disinformation, paid by the Clinton machine.

Sheesh.

And again, how can you even draw these conclusions? The Mueller report, contrary to the disinformation from Trump's consiglieri, got several convictions and indictments of foreign agents outside the US (and untouchable for that reason). Never mind that Trump and Putin had private talks that excluded a US interpreter (but not one from Russia) except the one time the interpreter's notes were immediately seized.

Conspiracy theories aren't proof … just so you know. I don't cite the private Putin talks as anything but suspicious. The stuff I did cite was crystal clear.