Election 2020

[Eric the Green]

(11-09-2020, 02:36 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-09-2020, 01:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I see that you're still clinging to wishful/ hopeful rhetoric and the 3T way of  thinking. Guess what, the shoe is on the other foot and you shouldn't believe any of the Liberal love dove kumbuya BS that's being expressed by the Liberal media today. As I mentioned before, it's a race to the bottom and the Democrats are winning and neither Presidential candidate that you and every other Liberal minded fool  elected is strong enough to keep this country together.  Eric and I have been in agreement for several years, we just differ in who we see ( which side ) coming out on top so to speak.

I'd like for Biden to be given a chance as I was willing to give Trump a chance.  I ran the better part of a year before starting to dump on him.  I thought that was quite enough time.

The big two items so far have been systematic police racism and the resulting violence, and COVID.  An obstructionist senate could assure that both problems remain unsolved.  Is that what you want?  Hatred and death?

McConnell starting with the election of a man with too much more skin pigmentation for his liking went into full obstruction mode.  I has stayed that way through the last two terms.  It could stay that way longer.  I don't really know if he can do anything but obstruct at this point.  I hope the Democrats get control of the senate.  Otherwise, there is a good chance that we are stuck with Unravelling mode, argument and obstruction.  I heard one rumor that he was going to block all cabinet appointments.  There comes a time to put country ahead of party.  If he does that at this point, America will have to suffer until the midterms.  Not sure that the country would stand for it.  Not sure that the Republican could survive.

I don't doubt that Trump was the bigger fool, the bigger threat.  But, still.

I'm still wanting a crisis style solve the problem mindset.  I would still see a preference for freedom over tyranny, that neither culture should try to use the federal government to impose it's will on the other.

Crisis topic A remains climate change, and it will be a key focus of Biden's agenda. He has made that clear. Biden and Democrats are hoping that Biden's time in the Senate and his friendship with McConnell will enable him to make negotiations with him. Whatever comes out of this negotiation will be inadequate. Even what normally comes from Democrats when they have the power is usually inadequate. But inadequate is much better than deliberately making the problems worse, which we had under Trump.

If we ever move from inadequate to actually solving problems, if will be necessary unfortunately for the blue side to "impose" it's culture on the red, meaning implement our policies over their opposition, because the red culture's entire being rests only upon opposing the necessary solutions. As I keep reminding you Bob, 4Ts are not kumbaya and let's all get along. If Biden can get a few things done by negotiation and calls for unity, well and good. But in order for a crisis style solve-the-problem mindset to happen, in our currently-polarized situation between one side that wants to solve problems and the other that wants to expand them, one side has to win, and then, as in all 4Ts, it can build consensus because it succeeds in resolving issues and moving the country forward. If the blue side can win by calling for unity, that's fine. But I doubt that the solutions offered in the next few years will be anything near adequate. Frustration will keep building as the 4T gets deeper and closer to the climax at mid-decade.

Once the blue side makes some progress, if it ever does, the ranks and power of the opposing culture will diminish as it always has, and some adherents of the reactionary culture will change their minds. It's tough to argue with success, especially among the younger people coming along. Resentments may well linger and problems resurface, as happened after the civil war, but that can't be helped-- as long as we have in the contiguous Dixie and Redneck lands a culture (Classic Xer's culture) that is dedicated to aristocracy and rooted in ancient rather than modern times.

It may not matter if this culture continues or not. If they are outvoted by a large enough margin and for a long enough time, success and progress will go forward. I don't know if it will happen, although I have predicted that it will. We don't have to eliminate the Red America culture or everyone who adheres to it. People are entitled to keep their beliefs. It only needs to be outvoted, and our solutions implemented. If that is not possible, then separation is an option. I note, however, that Classic Xer has said on some occasions that we are to be eliminated. So what they do or can do is up to them, and we will respond as needed.