06-28-2017, 09:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-28-2017, 10:02 AM by John J. Xenakis.)
First off, the entire neocon strategy of democracy through invasion
was always fanatical insanity. I said that many times during the Iraq
war years. Here's where I included it in a list of moronic policies
that were accepted as conventional wisdom:
** This week's idiot of the week: Robert Reich
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...tm#e070212
So I agree with you that the neocon strategy was total idiocy, and may
have been believed by Bush.
I really don't want to debate the Iraq war again, except to summarize:
The war occurred exactly 58 years after the Hiroshima explosion, a
time when the population was highly prone to panic over WMDs. Pretty
much everyone in the world believed that Iraq was developing WMDs,
including Iran. In October 2003, Iran's Khamenei issued his fatwa
against developing a nuclear weapon, thus preventing a Mideast nuclear
arms race, something that would have happened if it hadn't been for
the Iraq war proving that Iraq had no WMDs. For more details, see the
following:
** The Iraq war may be related to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...tm#e080217
So in my opinion there is no relationship whatsoever between the
policies in oil embargo and the Iraq war. In fact, I'll go farther to
say that politicians rarely follow any strategy, but only do what gets them money,
power and votes. The Iraq war was a form of generational panic
unrelated to any long-term strategy. And the reaction to the oil
embargo was simply that we needed the oil and the Saudis needed
security, and no other reaction was possible for either side.
As for becoming an isolationist, I can't disagree with that either,
except that I'm far more fatalistic than that. People always try to
find logical, political bases for wars, and you can always come up
with something. But I see wars as being similar to hurricanes and
earthquakes. They happen because they have to happen, and the causes
(el niño, tectonic plate slippage, generational changes) are never
political, and in fact politicians can neither cause nor prevent any
of these catastrophes. That's the way the world works, and you might
as well just lie back and enjoy it.
was always fanatical insanity. I said that many times during the Iraq
war years. Here's where I included it in a list of moronic policies
that were accepted as conventional wisdom:
** This week's idiot of the week: Robert Reich
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...tm#e070212
So I agree with you that the neocon strategy was total idiocy, and may
have been believed by Bush.
I really don't want to debate the Iraq war again, except to summarize:
The war occurred exactly 58 years after the Hiroshima explosion, a
time when the population was highly prone to panic over WMDs. Pretty
much everyone in the world believed that Iraq was developing WMDs,
including Iran. In October 2003, Iran's Khamenei issued his fatwa
against developing a nuclear weapon, thus preventing a Mideast nuclear
arms race, something that would have happened if it hadn't been for
the Iraq war proving that Iraq had no WMDs. For more details, see the
following:
** The Iraq war may be related to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...tm#e080217
So in my opinion there is no relationship whatsoever between the
policies in oil embargo and the Iraq war. In fact, I'll go farther to
say that politicians rarely follow any strategy, but only do what gets them money,
power and votes. The Iraq war was a form of generational panic
unrelated to any long-term strategy. And the reaction to the oil
embargo was simply that we needed the oil and the Saudis needed
security, and no other reaction was possible for either side.
As for becoming an isolationist, I can't disagree with that either,
except that I'm far more fatalistic than that. People always try to
find logical, political bases for wars, and you can always come up
with something. But I see wars as being similar to hurricanes and
earthquakes. They happen because they have to happen, and the causes
(el niño, tectonic plate slippage, generational changes) are never
political, and in fact politicians can neither cause nor prevent any
of these catastrophes. That's the way the world works, and you might
as well just lie back and enjoy it.
