01-26-2020, 02:02 PM
** 26-Jan-2020 World View: Spread of Wuhan coronavirus
I have a couple of comments on this.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was listing Xi Jinping's policy
failures that might mean that he's lost the Mandate from Heaven, and I
forgot about last year's swine fever that forced China to cull
hundreds of millions of pigs.
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gfmucci1 Wrote:> The complete report, with photos and links for the text below is
> here:
> http://muccings.blogspot.com/2020/01/how...about.html
> How forthcoming has China been about the mystery virus?
> One can be expected to not get the straight poop from a closed,
> Communist nation like China. And that is likely the situation
> concerning the Wuhan virus. As one source pointed out, more
> accurate information is likely provided by the rumor mill (people
> on the ground) than from “official China outlets.”
> As of today [January 26], we are told by official China outlets of
> 56 deaths from the virus. HERE is one report from other sources
> of 10,000 dead in Wuhan alone.
> CORONAVIRUS: Reports of 10,000 DEAD in Wuhan, China Further, the
> Daily Mail reports that …
> “China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US
> biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the
> facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak".”
> Little snippets of info are beginning to paint a more troublesome
> story than has be reported so far.
> As you recall over the last few days it has been reported that the
> source of the virus was from a bat delicacy at a market. And then
> we heard it may be from a snake.
> Here is a post from an individual familiar with Asian cuisine, and
> particularly with the types of foods Chinese official outlets
> attributed to the outbreak:
> Poster 1:
> I don't buy into this bat/snake folderol. I've eaten fruit bat
> upon many occasions. Cooked in coconut milk, it's absolutely
> delicious and considered a delicacy throughout Micronesia. On the
> snake story, I had some wealthy acquaintances, long ago, that had
> quail hunting leases outside of Del Rio. The number of times that
> I ate rattlesnake … I lost count of. Point of fact, someone told
> me that chicken tastes quite a bit like rattlesnake.
> Poster 2:
> Knock yourself out, … though I suspect your post is an attempt at
> weird humor….I'll stick to beef, pork, fresh fish, etc. and a
> multitude of fresh vegetables and fruits prepared under sanitary
> conditions. The big problem is that China, most of Asia, India,
> Africa and various 3rd world countries are unsanitary dungholes.
> Poster 1:
> …When I lived, in the Marianas…fruit bat is an absolute
> delicacy. It's cooked in coconut milk. There's actually a
> hunting/trapping season. And, when hunting quail, outside of Del
> Rio, we often shot rattlesnakes. One of the reasons that hunting
> with bird dogs isn't recommended. And, wearing of chaps is highly
> encouraged. I've eaten a lot of rattlesnake. I challenge you to
> find one city, any city, in the PRC that is one-tenth as filthy as
> Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago … and the list goes
> on and on and on. Filth is piled over two stories in many areas of
> Baltimore, Detroit, etc.
> Me:
> So, do you believe the virus lab breakout story has more
> credibility [than the animal market story]?
> Poster 1:
> Yes
> Here is a photo that has been in the national news over the past
> couple of days. Several dozen pieces of heavy earth moving
> equipment are preparing the ground for the 10-day, super fast
> track, construction of a large hospital in Wuhan to help treat the
> infected population, where “only 25 have died.”
> Huge efforts are being made by construction workers in Wuhan to
> erect a new hospital in less than a week on the government's
> orders. Officials said the medical facility must be built to cope
> with overwhelming numbers of coronavirus patients
> Question for those familiar with the planning and construction of
> large hospitals: When is the last time you’ve seen this level of
> construction activity for construction of a hospital with less
> than three weeks of advance planning? Survey work alone would take
> a week or more. Drawing up plans longer still. What is the
> likelihood that a “fully transparent” Chinese government has given
> us the full story behind this mystery virus outbreak? How many
> months do you think the Chinese government has been aware of this
> outbreak? And is it a breakout of a weaponized strain from their
> less than stellar Level 4 lab?
> Update January 24:
> Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing, a public health scientist on the
> faculty at Harvard.
> “I’ll be honest - as an epidemiologist, I’m really deeply worried
> about this new coronavirus outbreak. 1) the virus has an upward
> infection trajectory curve much steeper than SARS. 2) it can be
> transmitted person to person before symptoms appear — I.e. it is
> silently contagious!”
> “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! [multiplier
> of new infections from one infected person] How bad is that
> reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad -
> never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my
> entire career. I’m not exaggerating… #WuhanCoronovirus
> #CoronavirusOutbreak”
> What does this mean for those who were on a plane or in a crowd
> with people who showed NO symptoms yet, but who came down with
> this virus days or a week later? You probably received
> it.
I have a couple of comments on this.
- The idea that coronavirus could jump from animals to humans is
not farfetched. The same happened with Ebola. As I understand it,
hundreds of different forms of coronaviruses live in bats, and any one
of those could mutate at any time to jump to humans.
- The idea that coronavirus was developed in a Chinese biological
warfare lab and escaped is highly alarmist without some sort of
confirmation. On the other hand, let's face it, the Japanese used
biological warfare against the Chinese during WW II, and there's
little doubt that the Chinese are planning something like that in
their planned revenge war against Japan. However, the animal
connection is still more likely for today's coronavirus, and the
warfare lab hypothesis is extremely alarmist.
- The Wuhan airport is the biggest airport in China with flights to
and from dozens of cities in China, as well cities in other countries
in the region, as well as several countries in Europe, and Los Angeles
and New York in the United States. Wuhan airport has been partially
shut down, with no flights allowed to leave, and few flights
allowed to enter.
- It's now emerging that it takes 14 days for symptoms can appear,
and that someone can spread the virus before symptoms appear. This
make the virus extremely dangerous.
- Putting the last two items together, if they're true and if what
they imply is true, then there will be large outbreaks of Wuhan
coronavirus in many cities around the world within a couple more
weeks. Whether the mainstream media will consider that more important
than impeachment remains to be seen.
(01-25-2020, 01:39 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: > Hong Kong and Taiwan are not mandate of heaven issues since they
> are different systems. The Uighers probably aren't either. The
> coronavirus definitely is.
> We already know what stupid thing the CCP is going to do with the
> coronavirus: they are quarantining whole cities. This will
> intensify epidemics within those cities due to interference with
> supplies needed for food, water, and medicine. This will be at
> least as bad for the Chinese government as the plane shootdown was
> for the Iranian government.
> The other major mandate of heaven issue, even bigger than the
> coronavirus, is more limited supplies of chicken and pork and
> imports in general, due to the currency decline. If the Chinese
> are smart, they will get cracking on importing more from the US,
> for China's own good and not (just) for the trade deal.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was listing Xi Jinping's policy
failures that might mean that he's lost the Mandate from Heaven, and I
forgot about last year's swine fever that forced China to cull
hundreds of millions of pigs.
- Chinese New Year and Coronavirus
(https://www.cagle.com/stephane-peray/202...oronavirus)
