05-05-2020, 10:28 AM
** 05-May-2020 World View: Nuclear war game changer
I have no idea what this means, since I don't know what you mean by
"game-changer." There are a lot of things besides war that can be
called a "game-changer."
Einstein was wrong about that. He had his own his issues, feeling
guilty about bringing nuclear weapons into the world.
In the Generational Dynamics forum, over the years, we've had many
discussions about the outcome of nuclear war, using nuclear and EMP
weapons, sometimes including experts who (unlike you or me) actually
know what they're talking about.
My own synthesis of these discussions, as well as what I've read,
is that a world war would kill around three billion people from
nuclear war, ground war, famine and disease. That would leave
over four billion people to rebuild the world.
Those four billion people would not have to figure out how to
re-invent fire and the wheel. Lol! Technology continues on an
exponential growth path that is unaffected by war. After the war, the
survivors will hold international conferences to decide how to
redefine boundaries and rebuild the world, and if Covid-19 is still
around, then they'll hold those conferences over the internet using
online conferencing software.
Boy, do you have that backwards. Hitler was loved by the Germans.
He was hated by everyone else because he lost the war. Even after
the war, many Germans were loyal to Hitler's memory, and there's
a neo-Nazi movement today that still worships Hitler.
A different kind of example is the Bosnian war of the early 1990s.
The Serb leader General Ratko Mladic lost the war and is despised by
much of Europe, but is worshipped by Serb activists today.
** 11-Jul-11 News -- Bosnia still bitterly divided as Srebrenica massacre is commemorated
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...m#e110711b
This subject always amuses me. During Obama's presidency I used to
say that a world war would instantly unite the country behind Obama.
I remember the fury I heard from the conservatives at this suggestion,
with one person saying that if he were "behind Obama," then he would
shoot. Now I get the same identical fury from liberals with respect
to Trump. If there's a generational crisis war on Trump's watch, that
will guarantee his position as a hero.
You ought to reread The Fourth Turning. That book covers a lot of
this stuff.
(05-05-2020, 09:02 AM)David Horn Wrote: > I know your focus on war as the one and only game-changer
I have no idea what this means, since I don't know what you mean by
"game-changer." There are a lot of things besides war that can be
called a "game-changer."
(05-05-2020, 09:02 AM)David Horn Wrote: > but nukes have really changed that dynamic forever. A world war
> would, as Albert Einstein noted, put us back in the preindustrial
> age.
Einstein was wrong about that. He had his own his issues, feeling
guilty about bringing nuclear weapons into the world.
In the Generational Dynamics forum, over the years, we've had many
discussions about the outcome of nuclear war, using nuclear and EMP
weapons, sometimes including experts who (unlike you or me) actually
know what they're talking about.
My own synthesis of these discussions, as well as what I've read,
is that a world war would kill around three billion people from
nuclear war, ground war, famine and disease. That would leave
over four billion people to rebuild the world.
Those four billion people would not have to figure out how to
re-invent fire and the wheel. Lol! Technology continues on an
exponential growth path that is unaffected by war. After the war, the
survivors will hold international conferences to decide how to
redefine boundaries and rebuild the world, and if Covid-19 is still
around, then they'll hold those conferences over the internet using
online conferencing software.
(05-05-2020, 09:02 AM)David Horn Wrote: > No one is that crazy ... even the Orange One. But let's say for
> argument's sake that one occurs on Trump's watch. That in no way
> guarantees his position as a hero. He may end his life as the new
> Hitler. Who's to say?
Boy, do you have that backwards. Hitler was loved by the Germans.
He was hated by everyone else because he lost the war. Even after
the war, many Germans were loyal to Hitler's memory, and there's
a neo-Nazi movement today that still worships Hitler.
A different kind of example is the Bosnian war of the early 1990s.
The Serb leader General Ratko Mladic lost the war and is despised by
much of Europe, but is worshipped by Serb activists today.
** 11-Jul-11 News -- Bosnia still bitterly divided as Srebrenica massacre is commemorated
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...m#e110711b
This subject always amuses me. During Obama's presidency I used to
say that a world war would instantly unite the country behind Obama.
I remember the fury I heard from the conservatives at this suggestion,
with one person saying that if he were "behind Obama," then he would
shoot. Now I get the same identical fury from liberals with respect
to Trump. If there's a generational crisis war on Trump's watch, that
will guarantee his position as a hero.
You ought to reread The Fourth Turning. That book covers a lot of
this stuff.
